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Old Jul 21, 2017, 07:05 AM
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I have to say that although I personally don't like guns, I'm 100% against blanket restrictions being placed on the mentally ill. For one thing, if someone wants to use a gun to commit a crime they are going to find a way to get one, no matter what. As a matter of fact most do not own the firearms legally. So this doesn't prevent any crime.

For another, everyone should be assessed on a case by case basis. Mental illness isn't this general thing that affects every person in the same way. For example, addiction often co occurs with MI. I, however have never struggled with that. Is it fair to assume that I'm going to become an addict, just because so many others have? I find it funny that although mental illness seems a lot more complex and case based than physical illness, we are generalized way more than they are.

In short, I think a provider being able to contact a third party without your permission is absurd.
the gun safety laws went into place because of things like sandy hook, school shootings and other mass shootings that have happened here in the USA, in just about every case at one point the shooter or shooters family said the one going on mass shooting sprees in in the schools, shopping malls, movie theaters and such other public mass shootings, was mentally ill with PTSD, Schizophrenia, bipolar and many other mental disorders. the result of this was laws were enacted for helping to stop this kind of violence by having a reporting process. just like a medical doctor can now prevent people with seizure disorders from killing people with driving and having seizures behind the wheel. granted these reporting systems are not without their problems and quirks my suggestion is if one doesnt want to end up flagged dont make threats to harm people, dont be a danger to oneself and others, that way their treatment providers wont have reason to do their reporting systems process because they know someone is a danger to their self and others. and yes I know in some situations the mentally ill do not realize that they are a danger to their self and others. if they did and could control it then there would not have been a reason for this gun safety reporting system. when you think about it laws are not just made and plucked out of the air. there is a reason behind why a law was proposed. went through the legislative process and passed into a law. maybe someday all these people who have mental disorders and shooting up anyone and everyone in mass shootings of schools, churches, shopping malls and other public venues no longer happen so that the laws and reporting system will no longer be needed...

I for one feel a bit safer knowing I can go out to dinner, go to a movie or show, or go to a bar, go shopping, attend my church, take my children to daycare and their schools without worrying every second whether the person next to me is going to whip out a gun, the fear is still there just like a natural disaster is in the back of my mind but at least I dont have to spend my life hiding under a desk.

my point is all these reporting databases for things like when someone is hospitalized, isnt safe with a vehicle or gun well they are now just a matter of public access here in the USA and in some cases for the safety of all. its the world we live in now.

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Old Jul 21, 2017, 10:56 AM
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the gun safety laws went into place because of things like sandy hook
He was not a legal gun owner. His mother was.

You would basically have to keep guns out of the hands of anybody who knows somebody who knows somebody. Which is practically everyone.
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Old Jul 21, 2017, 11:40 AM
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He was not a legal gun owner. His mother was.

You would basically have to keep guns out of the hands of anybody who knows somebody who knows somebody. Which is practically everyone.
like I said the system does have its quirks and problems, some mentally ill people are getting their guns from their relatives which cant be controlled.

look I dont want to turn this thread into a gun debate. my posts were to answer the posters statement that they dont know how gun dealers know a person has been hospitalized or mentally ill to prevent them from ......purchasing.....a gun.

bottom line whether we like it or not there is a system in place for treatment providers to report when they feel their clients are a danger to their self and others with...... purchasing guns....... (which was what a poster was wondering about)

and whether we like it or not here in america when someone goes to the hospital whether that hospital visit is medical or mental is just part of public records. people post about their going to the hospital on social media, newspapers sometimes list those in their reading areas that have been hospitalized. and if someone who is doing a background check on another person checks of the box for a "full disclosure" and in the details line writes they want to know if a person was hospitalized during a certain time period the info will be available to them. there are many different ways they can get that information... contacting the hospital directly, department of health, the county clerks office if its something like whether question on the background check form is about whether the person has a valid birth certificate, social media sites where most people post when they themselves are being hospitalized and for what which makes it public access because the internet is not covered by confidentiality, the whole world gets to see what people are posting....

line in the sand Im not going to debate guns when all I was doing was answering mavens statement of not knowing how the person they knew got denied for a gun because of mental illness. there is a database for that, whether we like it or not.
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Old Jul 21, 2017, 06:49 PM
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Not everyone with a mental problem is dangerous to themselves or others. It's not fair to blanket everyone the same way. You shouldn't have your rights taken away when you're not guilty of anything. I've heard plenty of cases where owning a gun saved a person's life.
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Old Jul 21, 2017, 06:53 PM
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I never said anything about not knowing how they find out if a person is mentally ill. I just said I assumed it shows up in a background search.
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