[katheryn]

there is a big thing today in the news, about antidepressants saying {quote Psychologists at the University of Hull say only the most severely depressed benefit from drug treatment.Other patients should be given counselling, they say.

The researchers analysed clinical trials of newer SSRI antidepressants, including Prozac and Seroxat, that had been submitted to the US medicines regulator.

They found in most cases that patients given the active drug did only marginally better than those given dummy placebo pills.

The benefits were only significant in a small group of the most severely depressed patients.

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i was wondering what others thought about it

Good job I am severly depressed then or my meds wouldnt work ..... (stuff and nonsence)

[Perna]

Good news for your Brits though, Kathy, more therapists are being trained as a result:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7263494.stm

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Good news for your Brits though, Kathy, more therapists are being trained as a result:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7263494.stm

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Untill the next lot get voted in then it will be 'all change'.

[katheryn]

i use both a t and meds so im not sure if this news is good for us or not,
wont it put ppl of trying meds when they need them to stable them

[Perna]

It's not the people who have the problem, it's the drug companies pushing the meds and the doctors not taking enough time to do anything else. There's a shortage of T's in the UK though, people on long waiting lists. People generally do as their doctors say, try what they suggest, etc.

The Drs try to cope as best they can but they are not trained for this and get as lost as we do somtimes but they have no choice as there are just not enough qualified people to go around, unless you are private of course which cost a bundle.

[katheryn]

im lucky then my docs in the uk have always asked if i want to try meds and a t, also hubby was asked they even do regular checks to make sure they suited me, i do know other areas of uk are struggling to get services though its down to the postcode lottery on funds

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im lucky then my docs in the uk have always asked if i want to try meds and a t, also hubby was asked they even do regular checks to make sure they suited me, i do know other areas of uk are struggling to get services though its down to the postcode lottery on funds

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Too true. I live in the north of Scotland and we dont even have a permanent shrink ! we have one part time therapist ! I have been up here over two years now and I have not even met her let alone know her name.

[Abby]

ok so i'm gonna be really *****y here...eek!! ....just remember this is from the university of Hull! Gosh i feel really evil saying that lol!

[splitimage]

Ok so maybe I really was a basket case when my t referred me to a pdoc for meds. All I can say is that they've been a lifesaver for me.

--splitimage

[Doh2007]

A good therapist can make a huge difference. But the meds work for me and I'm severely depressed.

[therealme]

im very concerned about this news report, if the tablets im taking are fake, is the fact that they seem to be working for me, in my head ?
i think i need to make an apointment to see my doctor...

No I dont think the ones you are taking are fake, what they would of done is ask people if they would mind going into a trial and then 50% would of been given the real med and 50% would of been given placibos. The test would of been well and truly over by the time they released their results.

[AAAAA]

Granted I was one of those severely depressed people, but my new meds have made a world of difference, I feel better than I ever have. A 20 year battle and finally I'm winning the war.

[AlteredState01]

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....just remember this is from the university of Hull!

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So, would it make a difference to you if these results came from Harvard?

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Gosh i feel really evil saying that lol!

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"Stupid" would be the word I would have chosen for you for stating that. LOL!

BTW, these findings are not new. More and more studies have concluded that the effects of newer anti-depressants such as SSRI's, actually DON'T work as well as the public is led to believe they do.

Oh, and not all of these studies have come out of that one University.

[AlteredState01]

Uh, Oooops

Got a little "evil" on you!



Hate it when I get triggered over such minor stuff.

[sunrise]

I've heard that ADs such as SSRIs help about 35% of people with depression (as others have said--not a new result). I had not heard that those people who are helped tend to be the most depressed. Depression is a complex condition with many causes that result in the same symptoms. SSRIs can help only a subset, probably depression with a similar root cause. It's OK, not really unexpected. It's true, the pharmaceutical ads make you think their product will help everyone and lead to false expectations.

[quesera]

I have been helped at different times by different meds right now I am on walmart generic celexa someone asked me if I knew where it was made-good question how would I find out. BTW I am on 80 mgs and keep skipping taking them because they dont' seem to be doing much. Maybe these are bad generics? are there such a thing? I am sure the drug companies would love to publicize that....Que

[AlteredState01]

therealme, placebos are only given in studies being conducted, not to the public at large (unless, of course, one is diagnosed as a hypochondriac. Then I could see a doctor "fooling" a patient, who feel they need something, with placebos). I'm not sure this would be ethical though.

[sunrise]

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I have been helped at different times by different meds right now I am on walmart generic celexa someone asked me if I knew where it was made-good question how would I find out. BTW I am on 80 mgs and keep skipping taking them because they dont' seem to be doing much. Maybe these are bad generics? are there such a thing?

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On your prescription bottle, at the bottom of the label, they will usually type the manufacturer of the generic. If it is not there, ask your pharmacist at the time you got the prescription filled. They definitely know. Yes, some generics do not work better than the original or than other generics of the same thing. I think Wellbutrin is a good example. When it went to generics, it stopped working effectively for many users. User beware! There was a time when I would only accept a specific generic manufacturer for a med I was on. It was no problem for my pharmacist to order it for me from that manufacturer. The cost was the same to them (I wasn't asking for the name brand). If Wal-Mart will not do this for you, switch pharmacies.