Why 2012?

I saw that a poster here had mentioned 2012 as something apocolytic. I am wondering why this date. I see that the Mayan calendar mentions this as the "end of days." Any other thoughts appreciated.
By the way, I don't put much credence to it.
Patty

since this is a religious topic I can't really post what I think about it here but happy to pm about it.

I was going to reply in PM, but since you aren't really interested, I won't.

It does happen that the Mayan calendar ends on the winter solstice (December 21) of 2012.
There are also two prophecies that point to that year as the time of the rapture of believers.

If you decide you are interested, PM me. (Anyone.)

There is a short piece in the latest Scientific American about it. One thing is the claim that the sun and earth will be aligned with the galactic equator in that year, but since that equator is poorly defined anyway, all such claims that something terrible will happen should be taken with a mountain of salt.

End of world has been predicted many times. So far it hasn't happened.

True. However, things are not as they were before....and there isn't anything we have to "guess" at like before...it's all laid out in front of us.

I am a believer, with strong faith. God has said that we will know when the time is near (though not the actual day or hour.) God says that it's the responsibility of the believer to know and believe and have faith at this time.

You can PM me. That's about all I can say in open forum I think.

IMO - it is just another person trying to predict something they don't have the answer to - no human does.

the 'end of the world' actually takes place many times a day, in several different ways...

when an alcoholic stops drinking, it can be the endo of that world for him..

when a divorce occurs, it is the end of that world..

when we lose a friend, it is the end of that world..

if we lose a job, its the end of that world....

so many ways the world can end....

if we look around there indeed are overshadowing forces looming.. what will be humanities decision?

if it were an individual losing its work or purpose, it would be time to assess, evaluate, choose, relax, breathe, enjoy, work some, rest some, play some...

why 2012? perhaps there are unknowns at work behind the scenes which various persons have inside information about? maybe that information is available to all if they chose to research...

i expect to hear more and more about this topic in the coming years..

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seeker1950 said:
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Hi seeker 1950...I love your userid BTW...I believe seekers are the greatest teachers..if only by example...

History is gloriously filled with such predictions,,hundreds,,if not thousands of them. Books of many types and now computers are used in rationalizing the latest revelation..many Faiths have posed these moments of appocolypse as have various cults throughout human history...

Many folks are convinced,,then disappointed,,then convinced again...and each time some mistake of math is realized and the new prediction is now considered Truth...

This website lists many of them with 2012 included...for your peruse...

http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm

I. like previous posters, am restricted to pose my personal beliefs but I think I can safely say that fear is a powerfull motivator.....

Lenny

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nowheretorun said:
the 'end of the world' actually takes place many times a day, in several different ways...


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It's the end of the world as we know it?
I feel fine.

some predict an enlightenment

I am with you on this one, think for a moment of what it takes to make a prediction, on a global scale.

First we have to take into account the decision making of every one of the 6 Billion People who are living, then throw in random acts of nature, new technologies that will appear and things get really tricky.

My point is that if someone were truly bright enough and wise enough to know the future that well, wouldnt you think they could do a whole lot to make the world a better place, or at least make a damn good living off the stock market LOL

My point is that "experts" keep making predictions, all bascially guesses, many fail to materialize. So everyone relax, and Sky if 2012 comes and goes with out the destruction of Humanity you owe, me, Lenny, NTR and Pachyderm and seeker, lunch LOL

Take care and relax!

TJ

i hope you're wrong Sky, i'm hungry, and so are a few others ive heard of

(cathartic)apocolypse can happen on a personal level, and it is capable of happening to many at one time....

worth thinking about....

there are many diff views of this date: some predict the end of the world, some predict an enlightment, some predict total devastation, and still even some predict that the only thing that will change is the way that we live.
now, these are alot of opinions, alot of incertainities. i dont take a side on any of them. if anything, all we can do is wait in the end.
its a hard issue for some ppl, if u want my personal opinion then PM me, but there are many many different opinions.
hope this helps some. best of luck to everyone.

please forgive me seeker...

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these are alot of opinions, alot of incertainities. i dont take a side on any of them. if anything, all we can do is wait in the end.

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im not totally certain about a lot of stuff, but waiting for potential devastation doesnt seem wise to me...

REO Speedwagon gg?

Well, sure I will! However, if I disappear, then you best reread what I and others have said

It's tough to see everyone able to write what they think, because it is secular, and not be able to post what I think because it's God-based.

Of course, what I'm reading is about the impossibilities of it all, when many of us know the God of possibilities.

Actually, it isn't gloom and doom as many are saying, because when you have belief, it shows the power of God yes, but also of His mercy to those who accept His existence. If you don't believe in His existence, then it shouldn't bother you at all, because this is something of His doing.

But one is not necessarily an "unbeliever" if they don't subscribe to the end of days, or the "Rapture," which was a concoction from the Evangelical movement of the 1800's.
I think the U.S. economy is going to get worse. I think we have extended ourselves beyond what the world can supply with oil, which will affect all of us. Other nations may also take up arms of the nuclear kind, which the U.S. has tried to control, but in the end we may be victim of this.
But as for predicting the end, who can know?
Patty

no one can possibly know hon.

Hmmm….so the mystery concerned is did early man put a date on what has been a fairly common fear of the termination of our existence…for as long as we‘ve been here? Or did they just get bored of keeping time and called it quits at 2012? [lol!]
And….why would this be of any bother now….seeing that we have been doing a pretty good job of destroying the only decent place to live…[thus far] for quite some time now. Do we blame this callousness of our condition on our pursuit of the “freewill” that was given so generously to us? Or when the going gets rough…and we get too fearful and anxiety strewn…do we shake our fists at the almighty for an easy out? I would care to bet the latter!
I feel it’s a pretty good chance that we could destroy ourselves and this small rock if we didn‘t consciously make an effort for change…so why do we need some date to tell us that? Fairly easy prediction that!
What bothers me most though…and what is far more important than “future dates“… is what are we doing with ourselves this very moment? Are we treating each other as we should…attempting to make peace with one another…loving like there will be no tomorrow? Capturing each golden moment of life as if it would be our last breath? After all…if we are not in this present moment anyway…living our lives in “conscious being”…what would tomorrow mean anyway? Just another day to worry more about the future?
O.K….if we even had an exact date…what that be enough to change our lives for the better? Or would we just greedily, unconsciously attempt to save our own skin; to stave off the inevitable?
Since death is as certain as life…why do we fear it? Why do we need a “date” on a certain terminal condition in all of us?
And…if we harbor some sort of belief in a spiritual eternity…what would our death be anyway…but freedom’s door to evermore.
If this is in fact our spiritual reality…by realizing/knowing we may soon be in another plane of existence by catastrophic events…do we celebrate our bliss and love with others now? Let them know of our love and sooth their worried minds by teaching them to cherish each second of life we have left with love for one another?
Just a few thoughts that came to mind when I read this…
Peace and love to you all…please don’t worry about "dates" and things of this nature. It’s just not worth the trouble anymore. I don't feel it's what is most important anyway.
m.b.

One of my therapists had also told me about 2012.
Of course, the end of the world has been predicted over and over and OVER again before and since the time of christ - so i am taking that mountain of salt that pachy mentioned.
BTW, the egyptian calender already ended.... let's seeeeee i think that was 2000 and I was in Wyoming and someone warned me that the poles would reverse, so if i felt a "big wind" to take cover.
If someone hands you "koolaid" on that day and a scarf, don't take it.
I can't decide which stance to take; the rapture view (at which point, if everyone dissapears i'll admit i was wrong and convert) or the wiccan view "come the rapture, we shall inherit the earth".
but I do like best the idea of living in the now - like moody blu and echart tolle teach us. if we are not living in the present, then we are already in h. e. double hockey sticks.

<font color="purple"> You know, we were talking about this once:
It COULD end in 2012,
BUT
It could also be that they were wiped out by another tribe before they could finish their calender.

...I remember Y2K
(even if I was only 8 at the time)
That was a heckuva lot crazier</font>

what happened to 'in the year 2525' - anybody know?

(maybe this should be in games)

peace,
nightbird

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One of my therapists had also told me about 2012.
Of course, the end of the world has been predicted over and over and OVER again before and since the time of christ - so i am taking that mountain of salt that pachy mentioned.
BTW, the egyptian calender already ended.... let's seeeeee i think that was 2000 and I was in Wyoming and someone warned me that the poles would reverse, so if i felt a "big wind" to take cover.
If someone hands you "koolaid" on that day and a scarf, don't take it.
I can't decide which stance to take; the rapture view (at which point, if everyone dissapears i'll admit i was wrong and convert) or the wiccan view "come the rapture, we shall inherit the earth".
but I do like best the idea of living in the now - like moody blu and echart tolle teach us. if we are not living in the present, then we are already in h. e. double hockey sticks.

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hi Kiya, living in the now is pretty important, it takes our emotions out of the past and puts us fully in the present... living in the now is good idea.. we should alll look around now...

living in awareness is a good idea for us all, as many who are able can now look where we are... where do we want to go?

Nightbird....Interestesing that you mentioned the song "In the Year 2525." I just bought my guitar from the guy who wrote that song. His name is Dennis Zager. He builds beautiful guitars.
Back to the topic. Not to be disrespectful of anyone's beliefs about the End. I just don't think we should live our lives anticipating an end.
With the state of things as they are, though, we are all surely going to have to make serious modifications in our lifestyles.
Patty

cool you're going back to playing seeker