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Old Aug 04, 2014, 04:11 PM
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Oh and yes, going outside is a no no. Some hospitals have a garden area on the same floor but the one I'm made go to doesn't as it's on the second floor. If you have no leave (which applies to me the majority of the time) it means you can't leave the unit. Prisoners have more time outside for fresh air and exercise, ridiculous so it is.

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Old Aug 04, 2014, 05:01 PM
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Lol I like the geese one, seriously in the uk our psych wards were geeseless!

I don't know the rules in the U.S. but if the police insist on driving you back to the hospital, go with them. It's better to go in voluntary than be sectioned
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If the police are escorting you to the hospital there is nothing voluntary about it. It's an Automatic three day hold. And drs typically extend to fourteen days after that.

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If the police are escorting you to the hospital there is nothing voluntary about it. It's an Automatic three day hold. And drs typically extend to fourteen days after that.

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This is true, BUT don't resist as you will end up going either way and being dragged out of your house in handcuffs is not comfortable.
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Yea two sprained fingers later I know this, lol. But even if you don't resist they'll still cuff you. Procedure and all. Because they're assholes.
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Yea two sprained fingers later I know this, lol. But even if you don't resist they'll still cuff you. Procedure and all. Because they're assholes.
Really? That's terrible, over here it's only if you resist. They then bring you to the station and call a doctor. They can't put you in a cell though but if they've cuffed you, you'll stay cuffed.
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If you go in their car you have to be cuffed. If they're nice they'll do it loosely and link two pairs together but if they're jerks they'll do it as tight as possible to hurt you. Last time I didn't open my legs wide enough to be searched so they bent my fingers backwards till they popped- mind you I wasn't moving an inch just standing against the car. I'm filing a complaint for that I still have not regained all feeling in one of my fingers and the other hand has pins and needles. And they were laughing while they did it about how glad they are they just finished that course on how to handle the mentally Ill. See how happy they are with the course on how the mentally I'll hire lawyers to sue them for inappropriate force.
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Old Aug 04, 2014, 07:31 PM
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Also they don't take us to the station we go direct to the nearest psych ward.
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Old Aug 05, 2014, 05:21 PM
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Yes it's a 72 hour assessment but legally they cannot make you stay unless you are sectioned under the mental health act. This I'm sure is still possible in the ward but not likely unless you are deemed a danger to others. As soon as the police left the hospital I asked the doctor if I could leave. They didn't strictly discharge me but they did let me go to stay with my boyfriend and I only had to attend 3 meetings weekly with the treatment team. I have found that even if you are suicidal it's unlikely you will be sectioned, there simply isn't the bed space.
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Verity what country are you in? That's not how it typically works in the us. The police 72 hour hold is typically written in stone (a dr CAN revoke it if they choose, but they almost never do-only ever happened to me once where the doc canceled my hold). But once the cops put you on a hold you're not going anywhere certainly not to a boyfriends house wo dr approval but they do occasionally release to an adult willing to take responsibility for your welfare as long as you say you won't try to kill yourself, but that too is rare.

If there's no bed they will hold you indefinitely in the eR or psych eR like cattle til one opens up.

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1. Keep your distance from other patients and staff. Don't get involved with them.

2. Don't discuss your diagnosis with fellow patients. Often patients will discuss and compare diagnoses. There is a psych patient hierarchy based on diagnosis.

3. If you state you are feeling depressed but are socializing with patients don't expect the staff to believe you.

4. Sometimes patients will discuss self-injury and teach others how. Ignore it. You are there to get better, not to create more problems for yourself.

5. Don't bring anything of value to the hospital. Patients, including staff, can have quick hands.

6. Get a private room if you can.
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Don't try to call 911 from the hospital:
One thing I do remember was when I was in the medical part of the hospital after an OD, a friend called me at the hospital telling me that she had just OD'ed.....like I could do anything about it???? I tried calling 911.....but the hospital switchboard wouldn't allow me to call 911 because I was in the hospital & shouldn't NEED TO CALL 911. I had to explain what was happening & where they needed to send the ambulance. Definitely a good reason not to become friendly with anyone from in the psych hospital....she had the same pdoc as I did & think expected me to look after her or maybe didn't like thinking that I was in the hospital getting the attention she wanted...nothing like competition OD's........who knows....but they got to her in time & she ended up in the same local hospital as I was in.
911 was called a few times on the patient phone while I was a patient.

My roommate slit her wrists in the bathroom. I had the privilege of walking in while she was doing it. I immediately intervened and pulled the emergency call bell. We fought over the sharp in her hand and somehow I managed to grab it without injuring her and myself. She then fell forward onto me and started crying. I had no idea what to do. Then two nurses entered and yelled at me because I intervened and was full of blood. After that I was shaking and walked right off the unit when I wasn't supposed to. I was upset and numb all afternoon. It was weird. After that I distanced myself from my roommate. It was too much.

During my first admission a man and a woman tried to jump off the five story parking garage. They escaped from the unit. Security was called by people standing outside the Emergency Department entrance. Of course we all heard about it. This incident angered a lot of the patients. If one is going to commit suicide you would think they would just leave and go somewhere discreet where no one can intervene.

I have also noticed competition ODs and self-injury in the hospital. It was the most disturbing thing about being in the psych unit. Whenever it happened it upset me even if I did not know the patient who did it. It disrupted the entire unit. The staff tended to catch on really quick and would immediately discharge the patients who behaved like this.

Incidents like this really frustrate me. I know three people who have committed suicide. Two of those people were childhood friends. Suicide threats scare the hell out of me.
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Old Aug 06, 2014, 12:52 PM
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Verity what country are you in? That's not how it typically works in the us. The police 72 hour hold is typically written in stone (a dr CAN revoke it if they choose, but they almost never do-only ever happened to me once where the doc canceled my hold). But once the cops put you on a hold you're not going anywhere certainly not to a boyfriends house wo dr approval but they do occasionally release to an adult willing to take responsibility for your welfare as long as you say you won't try to kill yourself, but that too is rare.

If there's no bed they will hold you indefinitely in the eR or psych eR like cattle til one opens up.
In addition weekends do not count toward the 72 hours. So if you go in on a Friday you will not be out until Tuesday or Wednesday depending on what time you were admitted on the hold. The docs can release you but they will lie and say they can't, they will also lie about having called your therapist.

They say that they did call but the T agreed you should be there when in fact they never called. So I called her and she called them, the doc was embarrassed I caught him outright lying and refused to let me go, he accually abused his power by keeping me an extra day though he admitted I did not need to be there! He wanted to teach me a lesson. He did, he taught me that you don't go to hospitals no matter how bad it gets. They just hand out medications and lie.
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Old Aug 06, 2014, 01:23 PM
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when i was committed theyy handcuffed me and put cuffs on my ankles.then on the way to the ER the cop tried to have a casual convo with me. i kept quiet
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In addition weekends do not count toward the 72 hours. So if you go in on a Friday you will not be out until Tuesday or Wednesday depending on what time you were admitted on the hold. The docs can release you but they will lie and say they can't, they will also lie about having called your therapist.


They say that they did call but the T agreed you should be there when in fact they never called. So I called her and she called them, the doc was embarrassed I caught him outright lying and refused to let me go, he accually abused his power by keeping me an extra day though he admitted I did not need to be there! He wanted to teach me a lesson. He did, he taught me that you don't go to hospitals no matter how bad it gets. They just hand out medications and lie.

Wow! That's awful. Yea they don't really care what our therapists think at all unless they're psychiatrists. It's like they think theyre better bc they have an md.

But weekends DO count towards a hold. If they kept you longer and said they didn't count you're right they're just being assholes.

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when i was committed theyy handcuffed me and put cuffs on my ankles.then on the way to the ER the cop tried to have a casual convo with me. i kept quiet

On your ankles???? What for?

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i dont know . my T got a magistrate to agree to involuntarily commit me. they came to my apartment. they cuffed my hands behind my back and put shackles on my ankles and walked me thru the ER like that. i was severely psychotic and suicidal. maybe they did it bc i was psychotic??? im not sure. i thought it was extreme

edit: maybe my T told them i might try to run away. bc i ran away from T before when he was trying to get me to go inpatient
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4. Sometimes patients will discuss self-injury and teach others how. Ignore it. You are there to get better, not to create more problems for yourself.
Yes definitely. When I was inpatient in May there were three girls on the same ward who were always acting up and finding ways to SI/escape etc and then would all just casually sit around the table at dinner discussing what they had done that day and compare notes. It triggered me a lot and I stayed in my room the whole time apart from mealtimes so I could avoid overhearing them as much as possible.
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Yes definitely. When I was inpatient in May there were three girls on the same ward who were always acting up and finding ways to SI/escape etc and then would all just casually sit around the table at dinner discussing what they had done that day and compare notes. It triggered me a lot and I stayed in my room the whole time apart from mealtimes so I could avoid overhearing them as much as possible.
That was a problem for me too. People seem to like confiding in me. I eventually told people that I'm wasn't there to get triggered and that anything they said to me or around me would be reported to staff as I would not keep "secrets" like that. It did cut down on some of that stuff but there were some that wanted someone to tell staff I just avoided them and asked staff to intercede if they were following me.
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I'm in the uk, I must admit the dr did let me go as my boyfriends mother was willing to look after me
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My general advice would be this; the health workers are not your friends, they are being paid to respond skillfully to your needs/problems. I feel it doesn't hurt to remember this. I feel it's also inadvisable to get too chummy with fellow patients - each of whom are undergoing their own very personal and difficult recovery. If you place that sort of expectation on yourself and someone else in that position there's a very good chance it won't end well. Lastly i would say that if you're voluntary and you've had the opportunity to chose the appropriate hospital then don't lose sight of your goals. It's not a hotel and good money is being paid for you to get better. So make the most of such a chance. It won't necessarily be available to you again. And one very important final point - be very specific in who you open up to and how much you tell them, great caution needs to be exercised so that your story doesn't get twisted and you create an even harder time for yourself. Remember the transience, recall your motivation for going and if you're going to trust anyone, be it yourself first and foremost.
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Okay, I wanted to write this to thank whoever wrote the above. I actually googled how to survive a psych ward while I was in one. The info given was extremely accurate and helped me survive. Sadly when I went to get help for myself in an ER, the psychiatrist on duty heard the word "suicide" as I explained the truth, that I had suicide ideation and he had me committed to a terrible inner city hospital in Baltimore.

University of Maryland in Baltimore psych ward aka "11 west" is absolutely terrible. I am not sure what the laws are for health standards and such, but the place was not clean, the food was disgusting, the nursing staff and techs were unbelievably unprofessional. Sorry for the bad review but I was not even able to get the help I need for my depression (just "severe depression") and anxiety as I faked my way through each day with a smile on face to get out of there.

I did not feel safe being in a ward with people who had AIDS, put their own feces in their hair (yes, this actually happened) and with 2 other patients out of the total 14 that were transferred from JAIL. These people were inner city thugs/criminals with extremely sad mental disorders that freaked me out and caused me to have even more anxiety and fear for my life. Now, I am back to where I started, in the same place, with PTSD from that place!

Just remember to keep your head up if you are stuck in a psych ward. What this forum suggested seriously kept me sane! Thank you Original poster!!
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I haven't been in a psychiatric ward in years, but I once wrote this in a journal and everytime I go back to read it, it makes me laugh. I hope that it finds you the same way.

Rule #1- Sign yourself in. If the man in the white coat threatens a court case you have 3/100 chance of winning. In these, even your own defender takes the other side. Unless of course you're sane. But that's nobody...

Rule # 2- Know about psychiatric illnesses- One minute you and your friend are doing crosswords together, talking about how great it would be to piss without permission and the next she starts talking in a satanic voice and inscribing her skin with a staple from the couch. Don't be alarmed, retrieve staff. DO NOT TOUCH OR TALK TO ANYONE WITH A SHARP OR LARGE BLUNT OBJECT NEAR THEM. Even if you "know them".

Rule # 3- Don't be scared. Seriously, don't show fear, they're like a swarm of bees. kidding. The likelihood of the above person hurting you, is slim to none. The likelihood of getting hurt by another patient at all is slim to none. Most dangerous or violent psychiatric patients are housed in state psych wards, on special units. You are more likely to be harmed by staff. Which goes to rule # 4.

Rule #4- Avoid getting restrained- Pick a hospital who doesn't participate in 4 point restraints. (or 5 or 6 point), the practice of using restraints has dwindled a lot. The likelihood that this would happen is small. However along with physical damage (broken bones, etc) It can also cause psychological trauma. The medications they administer are known to cause permanent damage in some people.

Rule # 5- It may taste decent, but that's not chicken. - Don't assume because they're a hospital they'll give you healthy food. Psychiatric facilities, especially could care less. Despite evidence that a healthy, balanced diets helps improve mood. You could insist on a healthy diet, ask your family to bring you in meals in advance or pick and choose out of what's there.

Rule # 6- Watch yo' back- Be smart, if your roommate starts talking to herself, saying things like "NO I won't kill my roommate, she's nice to me, go away!" You might not want to take a sleeping pill that knocks you out. You should probably inform staff. This is not tattling. She is suffering from effects of a mental illness and they may not even be aware of the risk she may be to others.

Rule #7- Look for support- While you're in there why not grab a few people and make supports out of them? In or out of the hospital? I've met some of the most well meaning, supportive friends in a hospital. Even if we don't talk everyday, I know that they are there.

Rule # 8- You're not leaving in three days- Upon admission you may be told you will be going in for a "a few days". Only to find out you are freed 2 weeks later, pasty and atrophied. "We'll see about Monday" will turn into Wednesday and Friday and next Monday. When you stop asking, they'll tell you. They all sit around a table and discuss things like "Surely when a patient wants to get out this bad, it means they're still ill. It's absolutely amazing in here and these raccoon nuggets are the best". If you push enough, asking him in the hallway, through the nurses station door and while he's eating lunch, causing a psychiatrist to pull out his own hair, you may win. Or you may have to result to rule # 1.

Rule # 9- Don't get too up close and personal with the furniture- I have seen too many people leak their bladders on them. And by leak I mean water fall. So don't fall asleep there and let your tongue fall out of your mouth.

Rule # 10- Groups repeat. Despite Rule #8, they think it's funny or amusing to repeat groups every 3 days to make you suffer. In cause of this, do crafts. Even the worst psych wards have craft supplies. Even if it's just non toxic glue and butchered magazines. Be creative! ( no there's no scissors. Ripping paper is a unique skill I have in light of this).

Rule # 11- Don't Run away- Having a bright yellow tag on your wrist marking you an "elopement risk" makes everyone cautious of you, everywhere. Don't be surprised if while taking a poo a staff member of the opposite gender comes to swing open the door to make sure you haven't burrowed down the drain in your shower.

Rule # 12- Don't look your psychiatrists resident in the eye- He's insecure and you could challenge him, but he has control of your every function right now. From what medications you take, to whether you get to eat with a fork at dinner. Act like he's the boss and if you think he screwed up, tell the actual boss.

Rule # 13- Stand up for your rights- If a woman with thick eyeliner and furrowed brows tells you to she's going to call the doctor at midnight to have you committed, because you're asking for some tissues and waking everyone up. Tell her nicely and pleasantly you happen to be an educated human being, that knows no doctor in his right mind would commit someone for that and she should stop trying to manipulate you.

Rule # 14- Fight = Flight. If you live in a city and are entering an inner city psych ward, you're bound to come across at least 15 fights in your "3 day stay". Otherwise it's not likely. There's higher crimes in inner cities, so there will be higher prevalence of fights, people trying to pass you meth, and the occasional man running naked down the hallway covered in Vaseline, so he slips out of the guards grip. Don't break up a fight in a psych ward even in they're women who weigh 100 lbs and are 4 foot 8. They're eating raccoon, they haven't had cigarettes, and the meth is fake.

Rule # 15- What to bring- Nothing you thought you could. No strings, jewelery, conditioner, perfume, make up, sharp objects, ipods, razors, stuffed animals, your own pillows, your new xacto knife kit, any mirrors, cell phones, credit cards, iguanas, (keeps listing things for 6 hours) Some psychiatric wards only allow you to wear scrubs. Wait no. "Scrubs". Paper blue things that make every other part of you "breezy". "Here's some paper clothes, you're things are in a locked safe, now lets find out why you want to kill yourself." Some places let you have everything, even cell phones. And then one day some one eats deodorant, trying to get drunk and it's all over... back to paper scrubs... some people try to sneak stuff in. DON'T DO THIS. When you get caught, you ruin it for every goodly, honest person out there!

Rule # 16- Don't pet the geese- Although this may not apply to most of you, especially those of you stuck in the city, but don't pet the geese. I have been too many places that had geese and many patients who find it necessary to try and pet the geese. Geese who live and breed on psychiatric ward territory know this. And they have special powers that allow them to beat the crap out of any ill prepared person that nears them. I think it goes with people being manic. It's how I know someone is manic. They think they can pet geese. Even when they hiss at them. Even when someone says "Joe I wouldn't do that". But no Joe has a bit of irrational thinking, related to grandiose. But I am here to tell you if you are Manic, that goose does NOT want you to pet it. Goose Floggings 101 is a course in psychiatric nursing. I tell the truth.

Does anyone have any to add?
I've admitted myself to UNI about a dozen times now, it's the second best psych ward in the country, and I really like it...some patients even refer to it as a vaca. It's an incredible and the staff are so helpful and caring.
About two weeks ago I couldn't afford to go to UNI so I admitted myself to Utah Valley Psych ward, which was pure hell!! No free will and it was a terrible environment. You couldn't even a chapstick and had to knock on a door every time you wanted a cup of water. It was hell, you have no free will, or respectful staff workers, you just have to submit to everything they want you to do. And of course you can't even have a fresh air break.

At UNI I could sign myself out and walk around outside the hospital and the staff was awesome, groups were so beneficial and the facility was so clean, you don't have a room mate and have a tempur pedic bed...it's the best and most beneficial place to go if I get tempted with suicide! Best of luck!
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Yes definitely. When I was inpatient in May there were three girls on the same ward who were always acting up and finding ways to SI/escape etc and then would all just casually sit around the table at dinner discussing what they had done that day and compare notes. It triggered me a lot and I stayed in my room the whole time apart from mealtimes so I could avoid overhearing them as much as possible.
Had a bit of a surreal conversation with one of the support workers about this (was on a night shift and as that was the quietest time, I'd come out to chat)... indicated that the behaviour above predominantly happened on women's wards (at least in his experience).

As I have not discussed my issues with other patients and at most would just listen or withdraw, never had this problem. The self harm side was very private.
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