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Old Aug 10, 2013, 12:16 AM
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I know what you mean. It is very unfair to be given a med, and instead of help be given a new problem. What I meant is you seem to have handled it about the best way you could.

When I did my first taper, no doc admitted to this problem. There was a quite big effexor forum for those who had issues and didn't think the docs had it right. I'm so glad it was there, even if I knew what I felt. Having people telling me this is a real thing.

At least these days the docs admit to the withdrawals but I think few doctors can understand really. I couldn't either before I actually went through it. It wasn't anything I could relate to.
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Old Aug 10, 2013, 03:20 AM
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When I stopped Effexor the first cut was so horrific that it took me half a year to dare cutting it out totally. And I was on a low dosage. I remember the huge relief every day when I got to take my dosage because I started to get withdrawals about 3 hours before next dosage was due. Every day. I just took it because the withdrawals were bad. It had stopped working after three months.

I'm glad I cut it out, the last cut wasn't as bad for me. There are several methods for quitting Effexor, like taper out real slowly. They even make pills for it. (Of course they say the pills are not for tapering but why else make them in 25 mg that can be split???)

If you are on the extended release you can open capsules and count the granules and decide how many to take. Taking away one every second day might be doable. (Just remember you can't remove from the capsule, you have to count the ones you are taking because there is not the same amount in all of them, just roughly). If you swallow the granules whole without damaging them (easily done with some yogurt), they are OK to take without the capsule, and yea I have asked the manufacturer (of the original Effexor).

You can also taper in another antidepressant as you taper out Effexor. That is probably the most humane way, but then you need a doctor who know what he/she is doing. The choice of that AD should be one that causes the least withdrawals.
You omitted it has to be he same class of med if she is going to slow cross tapper, Cross tapper with an ssri and serotonin syndrome may kill you.
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Old Aug 10, 2013, 05:43 PM
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You omitted it has to be he same class of med if she is going to slow cross tapper, Cross tapper with an ssri and serotonin syndrome may kill you.
First of all I said you need a good doctor for this. It's not like you are doing stuff like this because someone on the Internet said so.

And you CAN taper with an SSRI. It is done. Some people even take two SSRIs at the same time.

But it is up to the doctor to decide what dosage you need down to before it is safe to add the SSRI.

Like I said. A good doctor knows things like these.
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Old Aug 10, 2013, 08:37 PM
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I'm not cross tapering so for me, it doesn't much matter.
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Old Aug 10, 2013, 10:42 PM
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Yeh. I know. I just can't stand not having the final say. LOL.
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Old Aug 11, 2013, 03:43 AM
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First of all I said you need a good doctor for this. It's not like you are doing stuff like this because someone on the Internet said so.

And you CAN taper with an SSRI. It is done. Some people even take two SSRIs at the same time.

But it is up to the doctor to decide what dosage you need down to before it is safe to add the SSRI.

Like I said. A good doctor knows things like these.
You would have to be be near the end of a wash out, to cross taper ssri to say a snri to be resonably safe. Tapper straight over on a SSRI to another
. say 100mg sertraline to next day 20mg Lexapro no wash out nothing. ENGLISH don't do this, I learned this trick from America. if I change ssri to another they want me to wash out even thought same class. they saycome back in 2 weeks for your new med. ME I carry on using my old med right up to the new one with meds I make sure I have left. THAT WAY I GET NO WITHDDRAWL OR START UP , I make my own mind up if I trusted English doc,s I would be a cabbage
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Old Aug 11, 2013, 09:25 PM
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You would have to be be near the end of a wash out, to cross taper ssri to say a snri to be resonably safe. Tapper straight over on a SSRI to another
. say 100mg sertraline to next day 20mg Lexapro no wash out nothing. ENGLISH don't do this, I learned this trick from America. if I change ssri to another they want me to wash out even thought same class. they saycome back in 2 weeks for your new med. ME I carry on using my old med right up to the new one with meds I make sure I have left. THAT WAY I GET NO WITHDDRAWL OR START UP , I make my own mind up if I trusted English doc,s I would be a cabbage
How did you know that you had clinical depression? I just "suspect" that i do...
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 03:10 AM
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How did you know that you had clinical depression? I just "suspect" that i do...
Told by shrink . They stab in the dark I no I have bipolar but don't want to take Bipolar strong AD s and mood stabilisers . so make do with SSRI,S and 4 mg ativan a day is my mood stabiliser . so he said clinical depression I don't believe him.
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Old Aug 13, 2013, 01:06 AM
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Told by shrink . They stab in the dark I no I have bipolar but don't want to take Bipolar strong AD s and mood stabilisers . so make do with SSRI,S and 4 mg ativan a day is my mood stabiliser . so he said clinical depression I don't believe him.
Yeah... I guess there's no "test" for it, right??
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Old Aug 13, 2013, 03:35 AM
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Yeah... I guess there's no "test" for it, right??
The test is the state your in from just normal depression, its a lot lot worse and the one must suicides stem from, it a constant deep depression with no let ups , you can have clinical depression then with help and meds drop to normal depression. But like with bipolar you have mood swings , clinical depression stays and there no let up.
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Old Aug 18, 2013, 06:14 PM
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I always thought that I could be just fine without meds, until this last 2 weeks. Topamax pooped out, then the Wellbutrin pooped out. My moods have been all over the place, depression slammed right back in. I've been a mess. Cognitively I am not able to function. I can hold it together and put on a face and make it not show I'm having a problem, but inside I'm a mess. I'm going to the outpatient clinic tomorrow hoping to see my doctor. I really don't want to do it, but the only real antidepressant that has ever helped me was Paxil, but it totally killed Mr. Happy. I'm 30 and that's not cool. Haven't tried Lexapro, Zoloft or Effexor. Only on Celexa for a few weeks a few years ago. So I dunno. Sorry for my rant. Yes at this point in my life I am totally dependent on my meds.
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