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Old Feb 04, 2012, 09:22 AM
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she doesn't want to touch me. I'm too horrible.
This is your thought, not hers. Her decision is the right thing to do, and letting you know is a good thing because it keeps you informed about what is happening about her changing this at this time. It is very thoughtful and would have been very hurtful to just stop the touch and not tell you that she was going to do this.
There's a lot to talk about with this - your feelings, her reasoning.
Please talk to her more about this.
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Old Feb 04, 2012, 12:12 PM
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Right. It's the changing the policy on touch that it is hurtful. Maybe something that was said during the session made the T think that she needed to stop touching.

I made some comment about people in my family constantly touching me and how bothered I was, and my my T, luckily, stopped me and asked me if him touching me on the back when I was leaving bothered me. I said it didn't, and we went on.


I don't think I said anything in the session that would make T think she should stop touching, not specifically but then I'm still fairly new to all this (a year) so I'm feeling a bit clueless. Also, some of the session I don't really remember, I was so floored by her change of boundary.
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Old Feb 04, 2012, 12:16 PM
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I agree. It's very confusing and hurtful. I mean, look at me, I'm generally all purposely ambivalent towards my T, I would never admit to attachment blah blah..... and yet I am now ragingly angry thinking about how he used to pat my back and now he's (maybe) stopped. I can only imagine how this affects people whose first reaction isn't anger. It has got to hurt like hell, because I'm pretty sure that I AM hurt now.

I think I need to add this to my list of things to talk about on Monday. I am finding it impossible to let this go. I am also super-pissed at Nellie's T too. I am an angrybutton this morning.

Are you still angrybutton? I'll be numbnellie then Still feeling pretty cr*p about the whole thing and my feelings are fluctuating constantly but I know I'll have to be brave again and go back and talk about this.
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Old Feb 04, 2012, 12:20 PM
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But for T to decide it's not comfortable based on something that someone else did to you? That sounds really painful and almost like punishing you for someone else's wrongdoing.

Can you let T know how you feel about this? Maybe by email if you can't speak to her? Or you could give her this thread?


It did feel like being punished, I already felt ashamed, dirty and alone and it made me feel even more so. Now I've stepped back a bit I know I've absolutely got to go back and talk about this and it probably would help to write it all down in some form.
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Old Feb 04, 2012, 12:27 PM
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I'm not sure what the chances are, but I'd definitely say even if you COULD do it, it's not the answer.

I was at a 12 step meeting last night. A woman there LOST it. She started sharing, and got more and more upset, and by the end, was sobbing and yelling. I mean, big, big, big, big feelings. She's been sober for 5 years, so it wasn't someone walking into the room with no tools, no experience working through things, etc. Her feelings were just. that. big.

By the end of the meeting, she was smiling. Through tears, but smiling. She left the meeting visibly different than when she came in. Tender, maybe, but lighter.

It really struck me, and I'm still thinking about it this morning. I tend to want to stuff my feelings, hope they'll go away, imagine that I can just not deal with them and things will somehow magically change.

But I *watched* this woman go from desperately, unbearably upset to relieved. She may feel lost again this morning, but for a while, she had that relief.

I really hope you will bring it up with T. We can't wish our feelings away (or believe, me, I SO would). So the only other option that makes sense is expressing them, asking for help, feeling them, learning from them. It hurts, and it's healing, and I don't know what else we can do.

In the meantime, I wonder if it would help at all to find a way to be in your normal routine a little. I had a week from hell but was kind of forced to maintain my normal routine and it occurred to me at one point why everyone tells us to keep routines going for our toddlers during stressful times. It kind of contained all of the emotions and confusion. I had to get up, get dressed, drive the kids around, make dinners. It was hard, and I kind of hated it. AND in the end, I think it helped me move through it.

I know it hurts, and I KNOW how spirally I would feel, nannypat. Be gentle with you.

I think you're right about keeping the routine going. The mundane activities that keep things constant and somehow flowing have been good since thursday and have to continue with kids, cats, husband, shopping..........

I do feel better but have become so, so good at stuffing feelings down I'm finding them hard to access right now. Although I too, get to that breaking point where I can no longer hold it all in and descend into a shivery, crying, snotty mess. Guess I've got that to look forward to
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Old Feb 04, 2012, 08:49 PM
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I'm glad you decided that you need to talk to your T about this. I hope that she changes her mind about touch or at least gives you a better explanation.
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Old Feb 04, 2012, 08:58 PM
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The hard thing about all of of this is that therapist are concerned and worried about triggering clients. That means that if a client reveals that he/she has been sexually abused, the therapist immediately begins to worry about how their actions will be interpreted. I truly do understand that an individual wants to protect the client and him/herself. It does distress me, however, that the immediate feeling for some therapists is that the client will morph the personal touch into something wrong or manipulative. I GET it that a therapist needs to be cautious and aware of what might be happening, but what I have a hard time with is the belief that EVERYONE who has been abused should be treated the same way. I think a GOOD solid therapist will investigate and talk about what touch means to the client . .. sadly though, here in the US, touch is usually seen as regressive or wrong. I know that's my own biasis, but I just wante to speak what I think about this issue.
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Old Feb 04, 2012, 09:04 PM
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The hard thing about all of of this is that therapist are concerned and worried about triggering clients. That means that if a client reveals that he/she has been sexually abused, the therapist immediately begins to worry about how their actions will be interpreted. I truly do understand that an individual wants to protect the client and him/herself. It does distress me, however, that the immediate feeling for some therapists is that the client will morph the personal touch into something wrong or manipulative. I GET it that a therapist needs to be cautious and aware of what might be happening, but what I have a hard time with is the belief that EVERYONE who has been abused should be treated the same way. I think a GOOD solid therapist will investigate and talk about what touch means to the client . .. sadly though, here in the US, touch is usually seen as regressive or wrong. I know that's my own biasis, but I just wante to speak what I think about this issue.
I totally agree with all of this. My T knows I was SA but did not use that as his reason for not hugging me. It is simply his boundary with clients not to hug. I guess I should be thankful for that, and reflecting on it now I think that makes him a GOOD T.....even though I still wish he did.
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Old Feb 04, 2012, 09:18 PM
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I'm sorry that your therapist doesn't offer touch, lostmyway, but I gather from what you've posted that he made that a firm rule from the beginning of your contact with him. Doesn't make it feel good, but at least you knew how he functioned and why . . .he did explain his boundaries, right? I think that if a therapist has stated from the beginning of therapy that "touch" is not something he/she is comfortable with, than that one thing. What upsets me is the therapist who offers hugs or out of session contact (phone calls, email, text) who suddenly changes the "rules". I do get it taht boundaries are negotiatable . .. but they should never be "this is how I'm changing things and if you don't like it, I'll refer you." This isn't good therapy in my opinion. Working out the boundaries of therapy is an ongoing/fluid thing. As the client, I need to understand and accept that and my therapist needs to understand that and guide the discussion!
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Old Feb 04, 2012, 09:21 PM
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Forgot to add! One of my favorite articles is one written by Cathy Steele on Dependency in Therapy. You can google it and read it. It is a clinical dense article and I"ve read it several times, but it does help me understand how it is for many of us in therapy who have been traumatized and are trying to make the therapeutic relationship work.
Thanks for this!
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Old Feb 05, 2012, 12:17 AM
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Thank you for the Cathy Steele article Jaybird!! It was very insightful and very pertinent to my therapeutic journey!!
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