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Old Mar 20, 2012, 12:29 AM
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I also see a difference in threads where the OP writes something about themselves versus threads which are more general discussion. In threads where OP is like "my appointment or life or therapist is not going well" get a different response from "What do you see x as OR how do you do y".
Um... yes. That's natural... isn't it?

If people say, "I'm upset", we assume they are asking for support and that's what we try to offer.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 05:42 AM
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... discussing this to the end of the session and my non-native therapist, after gently saying, "We have to stop now. . ." asked, "What is a weed whacker?" Visions in my head of not being "understood" but then I realized she had listened to me (I could see it in her posture and face and "attention" to me) and heard my fear and confusion and was "there" with me so I gave her "credit" for that
Perna thanks for making me laugh!
In my 1st or 2nd meeting with T2, I was trying to tell her about myself and I noticed that she kept going, very quietly, "mm hmm... mm hmm..." every time I ended a sentence. It was a little unnerving at first but I realized she was building a database, and going "ok check... check..."
then I mentioned an organization I belong to and she said, "mm hmm..." and I thought, hm, most people have never heard of that, and I said, "Do you know what that is?" and with a perfectly straight face, she said, "No."

Like you - I could sense that she was focused, I felt... supported, yes... so I just defined it for her and went on.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 03:03 PM
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Further - in terms of support maybe there is a difference for those who gain strength or succor through outward showing of it in direct and effusive ways and those of us who seek less of it and in more prickly ways.
What is a prickly way to support you, Stoppy?
Teasing you about your name seems to work, but what else?
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 03:09 PM
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What is a prickly way to support you, Stoppy?
Teasing you about your name seems to work, but what else?
Send to the doghouse with examples of what bombed for you. the watch dog is a great observer ....and scavenges all techniques, good bad and indifferent. The Watch dog does better in real life where good deeds done anonymously (and dirty deeds, done dirt cheap) have more salience than on a virtual board or in the room where lots of strategies seem fake.

Am I terribly off base?
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 03:10 PM
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PC reminds me of one big dysfunctional family...
I disagree.

We are all (yes, all!) trying to be honest, trying to listen, trying to help, willing to change our minds and our behaviour. That's not a dysfunctional family.

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...a group of people trying to find authenticity, answers, and healing.
Exactly!

So I say PC is a healthy family of sick individuals.

And by sick I mean, "not in the best of health through no fault of their own".
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 03:12 PM
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I started seeing a therapist for a reason probably no one else has ever gone to a therapist for (church abuse) and my t is an expert in spiritual abuse; long story.

I am still with him and fell in love with him 7 years ago......I may have to love him forever (LOL) if I don't find another man and fall in love with....the t is "unavailable" as he states......I wanted to tell him that NO ONE is unavailable, LOL...grins
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 03:34 PM
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I am still with him and fell in love with him 7 years ago......I may have to love him forever (LOL) if I don't find another man and fall in love with....the t is "unavailable" as he states......I wanted to tell him that NO ONE is unavailable, LOL...grins

Is that kinda like everything has a price?
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 03:39 PM
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Do people really think that disagreeing with someone is being unsupportive? Can't you disagree with someone's behavior, while still supporting them emotionally? Sort of -- I feel for you, I understand you're in horrible pain and I'm sorry. Maybe it would hurt less if you did X instead of Y? Or, "can you see that if you keep doing X, Y is going to happen EVERY time? so maybe you should stop doing X." Isn't that support also?
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 03:59 PM
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Do people really think that disagreeing with someone is being unsupportive? Can't you disagree with someone's behavior, while still supporting them emotionally? Sort of -- I feel for you, I understand you're in horrible pain and I'm sorry. Maybe it would hurt less if you did X instead of Y? Or, "can you see that if you keep doing X, Y is going to happen EVERY time? so maybe you should stop doing X." Isn't that support also?
Yes, MKAC, what you describe is supportive. I think sometimes people don't differentiate between being supportive and enabling unhealthy behaviors, and when this distinction isn't made, agreeing with the person is seen as being supportive even if it actually interferes with or prevents the person from changing unhealthy behaviors.
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Doc: "You know, for the past few weeks you've seemed very disconnected from your emotions when you're here."
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Me: "Doc, why are you banging your head against the arm of your chair?"
Doc: "Because I'm not close enough to a wall."

It's official. I can even make therapists crazy.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 04:17 PM
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In terms of knowing how it helps...the changes can be slow, insidious. On the outside I don't seem very different than I was 4 years ago. I'm way less irritable thanks to medication, but otherwise my life "looks" the same. If I think about it, I now can think more outside the box when I am upset by someone, that it isn't always my fault. I have gained greater coping skills in dealing with stress. All of 2011 was horrible for me, and I don't know how I couldn't have gotten through it if I didn't have my T there to be calm and rational. To be objective when I couldn't see past my own two feet. She has shown me that I can handle things better than I think I can. I have taken greater risks than I normally would have if I had not been in therapy.

Those aren't any big, great changes, but they are changes.

Oh but ((((((((((((((Velcro)))))))))))) ...at the risk of giving you an uncomfortable compliment those are, in fact, big changes, IMO. good work!

HaltHound - wooo, too much of a straight line!! would that be like WaitWagger? CeaseCanine? PausePuppy?
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 04:22 PM
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I've just about come to the conclusion, at least in my own therapy, that my therapist really doesn't actually do that much. I'm not even sure there is a technique at play at all, much less a manipulation. ....
Seems to me as though I go in and just tell him what's going on. If there is a problem, and I know what it is, he helps me to sort out fact from fiction in my head, from there, I go on.

.........It's nothing I couldn't really do for myself, it's just so much easier to see when there is someone on the outside pointing out what's in.
so (correct me if I misread) it's sort of like when yr son asks for help with his math homework, and you have him sit down and walk through it out loud wth you, and the moment he says the error aloud, it pops out and he goes, OHHHHH that's it!
Maybe for you, and if so great; but when T2 asks me to think about some subject for next time I am usually floored by the question, and it does take me a whole week to get through it (if then); more than that, I know that if it were really a matter of me "driving", I would never ask those questions of my own accord. I'd just never get there. So I appreciate her guidance, and (I guess because of abadonment issues) I do want her support. For me it's not something I could have done myself.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 04:41 PM
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Um... yes. That's natural... isn't it?

If people say, "I'm upset", we assume they are asking for support and that's what we try to offer.
I thought it might be natural, but then after reading some responses in other threads - was uncertain -so I asked/commented.

[quote=My kids are cool;2282872]Do people really think that disagreeing with someone is being unsupportive? Can't you disagree with someone's behavior, while still supporting them emotionally? quote]

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Old Mar 20, 2012, 04:55 PM
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I think that's the pricky prickly pokey support the ol' shot in the arm. But I don't hear us telling each other "don't do that" - well, except in the case of some T's, like today. But there is usually a variety of opinions, and I think the pricking is more in the form of a (more or less gently-asked) uncomfortable question rather than hostility or disrespect.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 06:45 PM
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I have only ever come across 2 PC'ers who seemed to disagree to the fault of being not emotionally supportive. Some will play devils advocate, some will hug and love the poster, some will offer words of encouragement, some will crack a joke, others will lurk because they emotionally connect too much or they have yet to find their voice.... The point to my rant is this, the support is free from like minded people who take time out of their lives to seek care and seek to care for others. The support is not one size fits all, we should all appreciate all support and hold true to the post that hit home. The others may do the same for someone else.
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 10:25 PM
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Old Mar 20, 2012, 10:45 PM
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I try to support people the way in which they want to be supported. If someone wants an opinion I give it. Often, people just want support and i don't see anything wrong with that. If someone is in the danger zone I might raise a flag (exceptionally bad T's, being unsafe etc.)
I like different viewpoints but it can hurt knowing that someone else might doubt your sincerity just because you are giving support w/no criticism.
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Old Mar 21, 2012, 12:25 AM
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Send to the doghouse with examples of what bombed for you. the watch dog is a great observer ....and scavenges all techniques, good bad and indifferent. The Watch dog does better in real life where good deeds done anonymously (and dirty deeds, done dirt cheap) have more salience than on a virtual board or in the room where lots of strategies seem fake.

Am I terribly off base?
Um...

Are you speaking for Stopdog or are you talking about yourself in third person?
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