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Old Jun 05, 2013, 08:27 PM
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I totally relate Rainbow! Just this past week, my T came back from being out of town for the holiday weekend and was TAN! I mean so tan it was distracting! (T has great genes apparently) It sounds silly but it is true I had to really focus a couple times to stay on track. So while it is not permanent, anything can throw us. I think it is normal. T changes hairstyles all the time so at least that doesn't throw me.
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Old Jun 05, 2013, 10:34 PM
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I don't see silly and unrealistic, I see so much growth and change in you, too, rainbow!

I like to think about change (but don't like it either :-) and the difference between when I would leave my friends and move versus when someone at work would quit and I'd be left, etc. It sounds to me like not only your T is changing with her contacts and sophistication but you are too, actually working on getting the passports and going on the trip, etc.
Thank you, Perna. I wish I saw what you see in me! I see me being helpless and still having too strong feelings for my T! If I had REALLY wanted to go on the trip this summer, I would have gotten the passports a few months ago. I just figured we'd never go so it wasn't worth it. I'm still not sure if we will, but maybe....

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I can certainly relate to this, although it wasn't contacts, it was make up at the time. And yes, change can be so difficult to accept and sometimes it seems that's life constantly moving forward! The best!
Thanks, anneo. I also feel unsettled when my T wears make-up, because I don't. A lot of times she doesn't wear any, and I find I'm more comfortable with her then.

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"I hate not knowing", you write. So, you want to know the date and time of death? That would make you feel better?

The truth is is that for peace of mind, we MUST find some way to accept that we're not for this world forever. Different people find different ways to learn to live with this fact. Without a kind of acceptance, life could be one of constant dread - like what you feel now.

Maybe if you look for your own personal understanding of the life/death issue, you may resolve the painful issues with your T.
You're right. I have my religion but unfortunately I don't have the kind of faith many of my friends and members of the community do. The next world is supposed to be better but I have a hard time believing that.

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I totally hear you on this, Rainbow, I'd feel really freaked out if my T swapped his glasses for contacts. One thing that occurs to me: have you heard of object constancy? Part of trusting our Ts is believing they are constant and there even when we can't see them.
If they change how they look, that can shake us a bit as a result.
Yes, I've heard of object constancy. I didn't realize this was a form of it. T is changing, not constant. It also hurts because I see it as a pattern with her and I'm scared of what other changes she is going to make. She already said she may go back to using her maiden name. Another big change.

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Thinking of you and your grandson.
Thank you. He's okay, but has to stay in the hospital overnight.
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I hope all goes well with your grandson. (((hugs)))

Rainbow, did you read the attachment link I posted in our social group? I also fear separation, loss, abandonment, the unknown, and aloneness... I think these fears really go back to the fears I experienced as a child when I learned to attach in an anxious insecure way. We learn what is modeled for us, so I am having to go back and learn now, as an adult, how to practice self-care.

How is self-care going for you? Are you being compassionate with yourself? I hope so.

Thinking of you today.
Thanks, Brightheart. No, I didn't read the link yet but I will. I think all of my fears go back to childhood, too, and my Mom's anxieties. I'm supposed to write a letter of encouragment to myself for DBT tomorrow, and also bring in a self-soothing kit. I'm trying to be compassionate with myself.

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We knew soon after the granddaughter was born that she was going to have heart surgery when she was 5, they did it when she was 4 and everything turned out great! Hope you have that experience with your grandson. We still joke (she's just turned 9 so doesn't quite get why it's so funny) about her waking up from the anesthesia and "complaining", ending with the statement, "This is the worst hotel I've ever stayed at!" She was 4, remember, and not in the habit of staying at hotels very often
That is SO cute, Perna. Thank you!! My grandson had surgeries when he was born, and at 6 months. I don't think he's going to want to go back for the surgery and he will have to stay a couple of weeks in the hospital. He didn't like lying on his back for 6 hours after the test today.

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rainbow, I am thinking of you and your family. I trust that your grandson is in very capable and loving hands
Thank you! He's in a major children's hospital, and hopefully will come home tomorrow.
It is hard not knowing, yes. I have a relative who we knew at age 2 would need a multiple organ transplant as a young adult. That happened this past year, and all went very well and that's behind us now, after being a persistent shadow in the room for many years.

I'm glad your relative is fine now!!!

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I know how you feel. My therapist had medium-long hair for two 2.5 years, always tied back in the same ponytail. Then one day she had cut her hair very short, to just below her ears. It was difficult to get used to, and I also felt similarly that she was somehow a different person. I pondered what could have been going on internally for her to make such a change after having the same hairstyle for years. If I had the kind of background information about a divorce that you have, I'm sure it would have bothered me even more. Maybe it's because we want stability. I'm glad you were able to talk to your T about her contacts though- it can be a potentially difficult conversation to have. Any sort of big physical change like that is symbolic of the fact that our T's are not static, and are always changing somewhat. However, I have actually come to like my T's hair after awhile, and I hope that in time you will come to like your T's contacts!
Yes, that's exactly how I feel! Her upcoming divorce is a big change. She's determined to not let it affect therapy but with these changes in her, there's no way it doesn't affect my feelings about her.

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I totally relate Rainbow! Just this past week, my T came back from being out of town for the holiday weekend and was TAN! I mean so tan it was distracting! (T has great genes apparently) It sounds silly but it is true I had to really focus a couple times to stay on track. So while it is not permanent, anything can throw us. I think it is normal. T changes hairstyles all the time so at least that doesn't throw me.
Thanks, ReddClay. The change is hard, and for me, it's more than that. It's what these changes mean as a whole--or maybe the interpretation I'm giving them which may not be true. My T is not going anywhere but the stabiltiy is gone. Before, she had a house and a husband. Now she moved out and is on her own. Anything is possible and it scares me!
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Old Jun 06, 2013, 03:39 AM
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Did your mother change after her divorce? Did you feel if she did that you lost the abilty to take her being 'mum' for granted if she did?
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Old Jun 06, 2013, 04:47 AM
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I hope that everything will be all right with your grandson. I haven't been through this with a child that I know, but I'm always impressed with the news stories of how well children do undergoing extensive surgeries. I wish your family the best.

On changes, I relate to this. There is something painful about people changing when we love them. I've experienced this on the flip side recently, because I recently dramatically changed my hair and some people have had a difficult time with it.

But I think it's pretty normal to freak out a bit over changes with the T. Sometimes I wonder if the intensity of your feelings is made more so by your labeling of them as such. What I mean is that sometimes the act of observation (unlinked from a judgment) of a thing, like how you feel about your T, changes the thing itself. Maybe just letting up on the "my feelings are so intense" storyline and replacing it with "there I notice my feelings again" might lead to a different experience with this.
Thanks for this!
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Old Jun 06, 2013, 07:50 AM
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Did your mother change after her divorce? Did you feel if she did that you lost the abilty to take her being 'mum' for granted if she did?
My Mom didn't get divorced. She got sick and died. My Dad, who was always shy and introvertive, found some lady friends and eventually remarried one of them, living a very happy life in his 80's! Not that he wasn't happy with my Mom for 40 years! I was surprised because I thought my father was "too old" for love and marriage. Now that I'm older, I see that you're never too old for it.
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Old Jun 06, 2013, 08:10 AM
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My father, who was married to my mother for 40 odd years before she died, is happily with another woman now. I was very happy when he started dating again and then when he found her. It makes him happy which is a good thing (he and my mother were also happily together).
I hope your grandchild is doing okay.
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Old Jun 06, 2013, 09:39 AM
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My grandson is okay. It wasn't easy for him, but they're coming home now. The surgery next month will be more challenging for him, but he's a fighter!
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Old Jun 06, 2013, 03:14 PM
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I hope that everything will be all right with your grandson. I haven't been through this with a child that I know, but I'm always impressed with the news stories of how well children do undergoing extensive surgeries. I wish your family the best.

On changes, I relate to this. There is something painful about people changing when we love them. I've experienced this on the flip side recently, because I recently dramatically changed my hair and some people have had a difficult time with it.

But I think it's pretty normal to freak out a bit over changes with the T. Sometimes I wonder if the intensity of your feelings is made more so by your labeling of them as such. What I mean is that sometimes the act of observation (unlinked from a judgment) of a thing, like how you feel about your T, changes the thing itself. Maybe just letting up on the "my feelings are so intense" storyline and replacing it with "there I notice my feelings again" might lead to a different experience with this.
Thank you for the good wishes for my grandson. I saw him today (he's home) and he looked a whole lot happier than he did last night!
What you said is exactly what I've learned in DBT. I did try to simply observe my feelings without judgment, and to be curious about where they're coming from. T helped me do that. I get what you mean by not labeling them as intense, and I can use wise mind and radical acceptance too. I talked about it in my DBT class today. I'm aware that I have to DO something in MY life, i.e. make changes, so that I will be able to stop wanting my T's life and stop wanting her to be here for me forever. I have to radically accept the "in love" feelings that might accelerate now that I can see her eyes better. I didn't tell her that part of it.

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My father, who was married to my mother for 40 odd years before she died, is happily with another woman now. I was very happy when he started dating again and then when he found her. It makes him happy which is a good thing (he and my mother were also happily together).
I hope your grandchild is doing okay.
Thanks, stopdog. That's how it was with my Dad. His marriage at age 80 to a woman about the same age was like a fairy tale with a happy ending for a number of years! I'm glad he was happy, but it was still a surprise to me when he told me he was getting married. He became closer to his wife's family than to me; that's the part I resented.

Thanks about my grandson; he's okay.
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Thank you, Perna. I wish I saw what you see in me! I see me being helpless and still having too strong feelings for my T! If I had REALLY wanted to go on the trip this summer, I would have gotten the passports a few months ago. I just figured we'd never go so it wasn't worth it. I'm still not sure if we will, but maybe....

Thanks, anneo. I also feel unsettled when my T wears make-up, because I don't. A lot of times she doesn't wear any, and I find I'm more comfortable with her then.

You're right. I have my religion but unfortunately I don't have the kind of faith many of my friends and members of the community do. The next world is supposed to be better but I have a hard time believing that.

Yes, I've heard of object constancy. I didn't realize this was a form of it. T is changing, not constant. It also hurts because I see it as a pattern with her and I'm scared of what other changes she is going to make. She already said she may go back to using her maiden name. Another big change.

Thank you. He's okay, but has to stay in the hospital overnight.

Thanks, Brightheart. No, I didn't read the link yet but I will. I think all of my fears go back to childhood, too, and my Mom's anxieties. I'm supposed to write a letter of encouragment to myself for DBT tomorrow, and also bring in a self-soothing kit. I'm trying to be compassionate with myself.

That is SO cute, Perna. Thank you!! My grandson had surgeries when he was born, and at 6 months. I don't think he's going to want to go back for the surgery and he will have to stay a couple of weeks in the hospital. He didn't like lying on his back for 6 hours after the test today.

I'm glad your relative is fine now!!!

Yes, that's exactly how I feel! Her upcoming divorce is a big change. She's determined to not let it affect therapy but with these changes in her, there's no way it doesn't affect my feelings about her.

Thanks, ReddClay. The change is hard, and for me, it's more than that. It's what these changes mean as a whole--or maybe the interpretation I'm giving them which may not be true. My T is not going anywhere but the stabiltiy is gone. Before, she had a house and a husband. Now she moved out and is on her own. Anything is possible and it scares me!
hope u r doing better, Rainbow!!!!
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Thank you, Perna. I wish I saw what you see in me! I see me being helpless and still having too strong feelings for my T! If I had REALLY wanted to go on the trip this summer, I would have gotten the passports a few months ago. I just figured we'd never go so it wasn't worth it. I'm still not sure if we will, but maybe....

Thanks, anneo. I also feel unsettled when my T wears make-up, because I don't. A lot of times she doesn't wear any, and I find I'm more comfortable with her then.

You're right. I have my religion but unfortunately I don't have the kind of faith many of my friends and members of the community do. The next world is supposed to be better but I have a hard time believing that.

Yes, I've heard of object constancy. I didn't realize this was a form of it. T is changing, not constant. It also hurts because I see it as a pattern with her and I'm scared of what other changes she is going to make. She already said she may go back to using her maiden name. Another big change.

Thank you. He's okay, but has to stay in the hospital overnight.

Thanks, Brightheart. No, I didn't read the link yet but I will. I think all of my fears go back to childhood, too, and my Mom's anxieties. I'm supposed to write a letter of encouragment to myself for DBT tomorrow, and also bring in a self-soothing kit. I'm trying to be compassionate with myself.

That is SO cute, Perna. Thank you!! My grandson had surgeries when he was born, and at 6 months. I don't think he's going to want to go back for the surgery and he will have to stay a couple of weeks in the hospital. He didn't like lying on his back for 6 hours after the test today.

I'm glad your relative is fine now!!!

Yes, that's exactly how I feel! Her upcoming divorce is a big change. She's determined to not let it affect therapy but with these changes in her, there's no way it doesn't affect my feelings about her.

Thanks, ReddClay. The change is hard, and for me, it's more than that. It's what these changes mean as a whole--or maybe the interpretation I'm giving them which may not be true. My T is not going anywhere but the stabiltiy is gone. Before, she had a house and a husband. Now she moved out and is on her own. Anything is possible and it scares me!
thoughts and blessing of u and grandson!
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