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Old Dec 11, 2013, 07:29 PM
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I think part of the reason my reaction contrasts with others' opinions so much is because she only did this one single time.
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Old Dec 11, 2013, 07:40 PM
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I just don't see the exchange or the act as caring. I see it as a thing the therapist has about untied shoes.
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Old Dec 11, 2013, 07:47 PM
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I think I heard the T's statement about it maybe being inappropriate more as rueful, rather than as a serious doubt. A sub-text of "I know how this must look, but it isn't that, so I'm going to do it."

There's quite a bit in the literature about these sorts of benign boundary crossings (not violations) and their positive effects on therapy. And I suspect they are far more common among Ts working with young people in residential settings.
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Old Dec 11, 2013, 07:54 PM
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I agree there might be a difference with actual children.
I actually don't see it as a boundary deal from the therapist side unless the therapist violating the client's. I see it as a therapist who had difficulty tolerating how the client was dressed.
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Old Dec 11, 2013, 08:09 PM
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Hi, growly , I wasnt sure whether to post or not, but I am. Just for clarification, your mom and dad were abusive to you by ignoring your needs while growing up? Thats how I grew up as well.

Or did she not let you grow up by doing everything for you? And ignore you?

My parents were abusive to me emotionally, physically, and I'm starting to believe sexually. They neglected my emotional needs entirely. My father completely ignored me except for physical abuse and maybe CSA. My mother completely ignored all of my emotions and just ran every facet of my life. I was not allowed to be my own person. She did my homework, brushed my teeth, managed my schedule, etc but never supported me emotionally. She didn't trust me to do anything "right" on my own and scream at me if I tried. For example, over the summer, I tried to change a lightbulb and hell broke loose because my mom was convinced I'd break it. I'm 20 years old and live away from them most of the year. I can change a damn lightbulb.

In that sense, perhaps my T was crossing a boundary. I could have interpreted it as she doesn't trust me to tie my own shoes correctly. However, I saw it as an action of caring. She noticed my shoes and was worried I'd trip. She's much shorter than me so reaching my feet is much easier for her than me. lol

T "crosses" minor boundaries a lot. I'm not sure that boundaries are the same for each individual. Many people here say that tying a client's shoes is wrong, and many don't. Maybe it crosses their boundaries and not others.

My T touches me a lot even though she technically isn't supposed to because the program disallows it plus it is generally a bad idea to touch anyone with PTSD. But, she didn't do it right off the bat, she waited for me to feel comfortable with her doing that, and she figured out in what context I would benefit from it. I like it actually. I don't ever receive physical affection. Ever. And getting a mild amount of it really helps me feel cared for. She won't hug me, but she will rub my back. Is her touching me at all a violation of boundaries? By the book, yes. For me, I don't feel violated. Maybe it has negative psychological side effects, but ever since she started doing that, I'm having an easier time feeling her care in between when I see her than I did previously.
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Old Dec 11, 2013, 08:14 PM
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Im sorry growly that your parents did not meet your needs. Sending you big hugs you should have never experienced abuse.
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Old Dec 12, 2013, 07:48 PM
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wish there was a LOL icon next to Thanks and Hugs.
Me too! I've been saying that forever. I mean come ON, how can we reply to Hanksters posts with no LOL button?!?!

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I think you've hit the nail on the head. Each person will hear that statement differently, depending on context and depending on the unconscious agendas at work in both parties, and even on the current moods people are in at the time of the conversation.

I think what disturbs me a bit is I find it infantilizing rather than empowering. I think if someone has a dominant core yearning for a mother it's going to be really easy to read lots into a simple statement like that and hear it as "I really want to take care of you, and do this thing primary caregivers do for young children". I think it is mothering of sorts. Maybe it's ok for a T to mother clients in this way, I don't honestly know - I guess many of us need need reparenting (recalibrating?) in different ways, some more overt than others. However, this T said things like "I don't know if this is appropriate" which rings alarm bells - that sounds like she's winging it.
Well,,, isn't winging it pretty much the nature of doing therapy? I don't know. I haven't followed so many of Growlithing's posts as a lot of people, but I think there always needs to be some warmth in therapy, and seems like Grow has a pretty clear understanding of her reaction to it.
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Old Dec 12, 2013, 07:56 PM
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I don't think I am.
If it did not bother the op, and if reassurance is what op wanted, then I hope op got what she was looking for.
I thought you (SD) came across that way because when you said
"I was curious about why the op would ask what others thought about it if one was not bothered by it." it kind of sounds as if you think she should have been bothered by it, instead of enjoying it, though maybe that's not what you were thinking.

Anyway, as far as the OP goes, the problem of being bothered by it apparently wasn't relevant, so sorry for the little hijack.
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