[melania]

Have you ever seen this movie?

It's heartbreaking movie about therapy, I saw it two times and I think I was torturing myself by watching it.
It's a sad love story about Jung and his patient Sabina, based on true story.

I was talking about this movie with my therapist, I said- she would never be okay if she hadn't relationships with Jung and she was so broken because he left her. The only way she could be happy would be if she were together with Jung but he coudn't left his family and destroy his carrer. He said at the end of the movie- my patient reminds me of you, but she will never be like you. They still loved each other.
My t said that this movie is example why it's bad to cross the boundaries.
But I don't think so, Sabina was happy only when she was with Jung, it was the best part of her life.

For those who had seen this movie- I would like to know your opinion.

P.S. Please- without offtopics if you've never seen this movie.

I haven't seen this and I don't know if you consider this off but I think it is sad to have a life whose happiness is solely dependent on another person. That seems to be what you are saying. That she could only be happy around Jung. I don't think that is healthy at all. I'll look for it on netflix.

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[Petra5ed]

I did see it, but I'm not sure the movie was totally accurate. For one there is still debate that Sabina and Jung actually consummated everything, they probably did, but I just wanted to point out that it's not a given fact. Not to mention the movie took some liberties showing their kinky S&M sex (nothing supports that). One thing that is certain though is Sabina met some guy fell in love and got married after her fling with Jung, she had some kids as well, and became an important figure in psychology (although the world is still too bigoted to acknowledge her contribution). She ended up dying young in the holocaust as a Jew, so it could be the times with Jung were the best, but for more reasons than just his hot bod.

Jung took another lover anyways, Toni Wolff. I don't know how Sabina would have felt as third wheel. Jung definitely had an affair with Toni, a well documented one. I'm sure it tortured his wife, lovely guy huh, I think he was just open about doing Toni, she even came to his house and tortured his wife and kids in person week to week. As for Toni, well, he just left her out of his autobiography and memoirs all together. What a player! Both women certainly helped his career, and Jung is credited with basically everything that those ladies and him really co-created.

When I saw the movie I liked it. I thought it was hot! LOL, especially the kinky sex. I wish Jung would come and spank me, because I've been very bad .

[Rive.]

I've seen the movie. Shame on Jung for taking advantage of patient(s) & for cheating on his wife. So many levels of wrong here but to sum it up: despicable behavior from a supposed 'healer'.

I saw it and did not like it. I saw another one called,"My Name is Sabina," and did like that one very much. You have to remember this is a movie and they took artistic license in both movies. It is not clear yet whether the two had just a relationship of the heart or a physical relationship also. Jung is responsible for some of our most important philosophy that I respect, and I've had two wonderful Jungian Analyst, I don't have any respect for Jung as a professional.

Sabina was also an important contributor to psychoanalysis. One of her most famous patients was Jean Piaget. She does not get the credit she rightly deserves, but hopefully one day more research will be done on her. Jung pulled her from the depths of despair as her doctor and she went on to have an illustrious career, but future life events destroyed her. There is even talk that some of Jung's work should be credited to Sabina Spielrein.

[melania]

Originally Posted by Goingtogetthere

I saw it and did not like it. I saw another one called,"My Name is Sabina," and did like that one very much. You have to remember this is a movie and they took artistic license in both movies. It is not clear yet whether the two had just a relationship of the heart or a physical relationship also. Jung is responsible for some of our most important philosophy that I respect, and I've had two wonderful Jungian Analyst, I don't have any respect for Jung as a professional.

Sabina was also an important contributor to psychoanalysis. One of her most famous patients was Jean Piaget. She does not get the credit she rightly deserves, but hopefully one day more research will be done on her. Jung pulled her from the depths of despair as her doctor and she went on to have an illustrious career, but future life events destroyed her. There is even talk that some of Jung's work should be credited to Sabina Spielrein.

Interesting, I never heard about another movie about this.

I had read history about Sabina.

Originally Posted by melania

Interesting, I never heard about another movie about this.

I had read history about Sabina.

Check on line. It may be on youtube,

[Outcast_of_RGaol]

I haven't seen either movie but both sound interesting... although I am a stickler for historical accuracy, it sounds like either or both might give a snapshot into something interesting.

[IndestructibleGirl]

I found this movie dull, despite usually thinking Fassbender and Keira Knightley are both beautiful to look at. It never really got off the ground imo. No interesting stuff on psychoanalysis, no passionate and realistic sadomasochism scenes - no energy at all. Pretentious, I thought.

[stopdog]

It made me hate both freud and jung.

[jesusplay]

movie was pretty "meh" only thing I remember is she and her daughters were killed during the holocaust.

[blur]

i thought it was an interesting movie about erotic transference & countertransference. jung violated the client's boundaries & acted unethically (provided those ethics were in place then). this was in addition to cheating on his wife. it's a terrible thing to do to a client and she was certainly messed up by it. glad to hear from some of you she went on to other, and hopefully healthier, relationships. there is good reason why Ts are not to get involved with their clients.

I've seen it a couple of times and would like to watch it again. I enjoyed it more the second time I saw it, although not as an authoritative historical thing of course, as something creative that's very loosely based on factual people. I got a little miffed the first time "that's not exactly true" and "I wish he was spanking her for reals" (yeah I'm kinky like that lol) that kind of thing but I decided the second time I watched it to just go in with the perspective of the whole thing being fiction and I liked it a lot more that way.

[stopdog]

I did not have as much trouble with her wanting to get hit as I did with her being tied up. The tied up made me quite anxious and I had nightmares for a couple of nights. (I am not saying it is wrong to like that sort of thing - I am laughing at myself for where my lines seem to be)

Originally Posted by blur

i thought it was an interesting movie about erotic transference & countertransference. jung violated the client's boundaries & acted unethically (provided those ethics were in place then). this was in addition to cheating on his wife. it's a terrible thing to do to a client and she was certainly messed up by it. glad to hear from some of you she went on to other, and hopefully healthier, relationships. there is good reason why Ts are not to get involved with their clients.

They were in place, I believe that's why he and Freud et al separated from him. He was also tarting a famous psychoanalyst, Otto ? , that had been sleeping with his patients. I have a hunch he stole Sabina Spielrein's work, and as more of her work comes to light the researchers will reverse the some of the credit given to him.

[Outcast_of_RGaol]

Originally Posted by stopdog

It made me hate both freud and jung.

From my very limited understanding of both of their histories, I'd have to say that they both needed a good shrink.
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"... well, yeah but you're smoking 20 a day!!

[SabinaS]

Ethical guidelines may have been in place but psychoanalysis was still in it's infancy, the huge importance of transference/counter-transference had yet to be realised. I'm not saying what Jung did (or didn't) do was ok, just pointing out that it wasn't necessarily black and white. In fact, it's partly due to those early mistakes, that we know so much about transference (erotic or otherwise) and how to work with it, in a way that's beneficial to the patient.

Was Spielrein only happy when she was with Jung? I doubt it, she first met Jung when she was 19 and suffering from a severe breakdown. She quickly got better, graduated and became a very prominent psychoanalyst in her own right - her work influenced both Freud and Jung. She was a very intelligent, talented woman. It's a pity the film doesn't focus on that part a bit more. She also married, had 2 children and lived a life, until she (and her 2 daughters) were executed by the SS, when she was 57.

Perhaps I'm projecting my own anxieties but I'd like to think she was able to get over her erotic transference and enjoy other fulfilling relationships

The film was quite enjoyable though - once I got past Knightly's excessive gurning. Spanking and psychoanalysis, what's not to like?!