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Old Apr 11, 2014, 08:56 PM
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Okay - hmmmm - anything is possible - and I see him as possibly being narcissitc and having a cultic feel to himself - why others follow this i don't know and just reading other stuff from REBT tonight and its "moral relativism" there are case studies with the author who is practicing REBT telling a woman who committed infidelity that she definitely did wrong by "her moral system" and that because it's something that keeps her from learning from her mistake, she needs to choose to go by her values and make a decision that is right for her, not because it hurt her husband at all or her relationship with her husband but because it was the right choice for her - not feel guilt because she did anything wrong - because guilt takes away her ability to learn from the mistake. Then - on top of that the therapist tells her regarding guilt, "LOts of people do wrong things and don't feel about them.

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Old Apr 11, 2014, 08:57 PM
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oh wow, these are interesting to watch. i watched some of each. ellis would annoy me as he's just too focused on being rational. perls was a hoot to watch but probably not easy to have as a T and rogers didn't really give any insight. i kept wanting him to tell her that she can't have it all so learn to embrace the middle ground.

anyway scott, i haven't done REBT but bought a book on emotions that i didn't realize was REBT. i don't know if it would help but you could at least practice the concepts without the annoying T. it was SOS help for emotions: managing anxiety, anger and depression. i agree that sometimes people who accomplish great things do not always have great character. great success requires a lot of confidence & determination and maybe that reduces empathy because the person is so focused on their own goals. that's my 2 cent theory anyway.
The book looks promising perhaps - !
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Old Apr 12, 2014, 08:44 AM
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Daisy - how did you get over this?
Acceptance. There was nothing else.
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Old Apr 12, 2014, 08:48 AM
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WOW!! That blows my mind!! What the hec - are psychology students just predisposed to flamboyant, controversial, and ego-maniacal types???? Do they just follow some guy like this like some kind of sheep?
I saw him talk. He swears a LOT. I would guess that appeals to a younger demographic. But now that im older, i gotta wonder what the heck that meant that he did that. Did he have a tic maybe?
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WOW!! That blows my mind!! What the hec - are psychology students just predisposed to flamboyant, controversial, and ego-maniacal types???? Do they just follow some guy like this like some kind of sheep?
I certainly think it so.
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Many Ts don't subscribe to any one strict technique so one that is strictly into REBT is on Id avoid too since it can be very harsh. I think AA uses this philosophy. While it is obviously helpful for some people, it depends on what they are presenting for and the personality of the client.

It's similar to CBT although it is more confrontational. For some clients that is necessary but others wouldn't do well with it at all (as with any type of therapy). I myself prefer a T who has a certain philosophy but a flexible style.
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Old Apr 12, 2014, 11:39 AM
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I think he was just another guy like us, who came up with ways that helped him deal with his own life:
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Ellis had exaggerated fears of speaking in public and during his adolescence he was extremely shy around women. At age 19, already showing signs of thinking like a cognitive-behavioral therapist, he forced himself to talk to 100 women in the Bronx Botanical Gardens over a period of a month. Even though he did not get a date, he reported that he desensitized himself to his fear of rejection by women.
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It is hard for me to get too upset at what sort of person he became after reading that? He obviously had a hard childhood with little nurturing so it makes sense to me that he came up with a non- even anti-nurturing psychological philosophy.
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Old Apr 16, 2014, 11:03 PM
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I saw him talk. He swears a LOT. I would guess that appeals to a younger demographic. But now that im older, i gotta wonder what the heck that meant that he did that. Did he have a tic maybe?
That comes as no surprise - I read alot about how he was the first one to use the "F" word and "Damn" at the APA conference many years ago. Big milestone I guess. I think he just did it as a matter of attention-seeking or whatever.
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Old Apr 16, 2014, 11:07 PM
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Many Ts don't subscribe to any one strict technique so one that is strictly into REBT is on Id avoid too since it can be very harsh. I think AA uses this philosophy. While it is obviously helpful for some people, it depends on what they are presenting for and the personality of the client.

It's similar to CBT although it is more confrontational. For some clients that is necessary but others wouldn't do well with it at all (as with any type of therapy). I myself prefer a T who has a certain philosophy but a flexible style.
I think it's best if the therapist uses the tools that best fit the patient - and if there's a philosophy involved then that works just as well - only if that therapist uses flexibility with it. But a stricter regimen can work for some as well.
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Old Apr 17, 2014, 12:30 AM
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I've done REBT and it really helped me. I think the Ts training and character have a lot to do with it. It can be done in a compassionate manner.
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Albert Ellis invented what we now call CBT. He changed therapy forever and that's why he was considered the world's greatest living psychologist. He changed the world. REBT stands for Rational-Emotive-Behavior Therapy. I prefer it over other forms of CBT because REBT emphasizes the emotive aspects of our lives just as much as the cognitive and behavioral. I'm an emotional person. I need a therapy that recognizes my feelings as an equal part of the mix because sometimes my emotions seem to overwhelm everything else.

I saw the "Gloria" videos when I was a college sophomore and knew immediately that Albert Ellis' approach could help me. I bought his book, "The New Guide to Rational Living" and began doing the suggested exercises. In a nutshell: Albert Ellis and REBT saved my life.

Much later in life, when I had become a professional, Dr. Ellis and I became colleagues and friends. Yes, he had an abrasive personality at times -- he was a self-described Jewish Kid who grew up the hard way in the Bronx -- but he was also kind and gentle and generous. He swore a lot, but he did not swear at people or personally attack them. He swore, he said, because that's how people talk to themselves. They call themselves and others S%$ts and F#$@kers and losers and end up enraging themselves or spiraling down. I don't recall him ever using a single swear word with me in private conversation. He very clearly used the language for shock value -- to shock us out of pretending we don't call ourselves and others all those words. The man was all about honesty and helping us to become honest without condemnation of any sort.

He started publicly swearing back in the days when it was truly shocking. Now, it just seems quaint because society has changed and the problem is that even little kids swear in public. But back then, people were choking on their unspoken words, suffering panic attacks and self-hatred because they wanted to shout S^*T from the rooftops but thought their world would collapse if they uttered a true feeling out loud. That's why Al swore publicly. It was time for people to stop choking on their unspoken words.

The most important aspect of REBT is acceptance -- of self, others and life. He was a genius at validating people without validating our B.S. (which we all have, being human.) He used humor, confrontation and gentleness. He knew when to confront and when to comfort. It was amazing to see him in action.

We often disturb ourselves through condemnation and hatred toward self and others. Al taught me that even if some of my behaviors were rotten, it didn't mean I was a rotten person. I was a person who sometimes made mistakes, which I could accept as part of being human and I could take action to correct my mistakes -- or at least not repeat them -- instead of wallowing in guilt and shame. He validated my humanity without validating my self-defeating perceptions, beliefs, thoughts, feelings and actions. He let me decide what was right for me, while at the same time helping me understand that if I broke the rules of society, especially if my actions harmed other people, there would be consequences that I'd have to deal with. He never once told me what to do or condemned me if I messed up. Instead, he taught me how to make effective decisions that I could live with. He taught me how to become the master of my actions.

REBT is an active therapy. It's a lot of work for both the client and therapist. If therapists lack a sense of humor and kindness, they won't do the techniques justice. Albert Ellis was one of the kindest and funniest people I ever met. He helped thousands of people, providing free weekly workshops and low-cost individual therapy. If people had big problems and little money, he'd charge them $25 for a private session.

REBT is a great self-help therapy. If you don't have access to a therapist, you can use Al's books in the privacy of your room to learn how to get better. Al always said it was not his goal to help people feel better in the moment. He wanted them to get better and stay better so they could enjoy their lives without needless shame, guilt, anger, depression, loneliness, etc.

My favorite REBT book is How To Stubbornly Refuse to Make Yourself Miserable About Anything, Yes, Anything! It has short chapters with exercises so that you can self-learn at your own pace. I highly recommend it.

Albert Ellis was a genius and a wonderful human being who had flaws and defects, just as we all do. He often used his own problems and mistakes as teaching tools to help others realize that it's okay to be less than perfect in your actions, to make mistakes and to learn from them. He admitted his flaws to the world. He continued working on those flaws and correcting any errors he made right up until the day he died. I consider myself lucky to have known him. He was, indeed, the world's greatest living psychologist.

However, different people have different needs. If Al's approach is too confrontive or rough and tumble for you, you might enjoy Dr. William Glasser's Choice Theory. Bill Glasser was as gentlemanly as Al was rascally. His Choice Theory is compatible with REBT. It takes a much gentler approach. REBT emphasizes the individual and Choice emphasizes relationships. Both approaches work.
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