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Old Oct 22, 2014, 03:54 PM
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Here's what I should have said to Madame T:

"You can withhold your smile if you want to. But don't expect me to watch."

And then I would put on a blindfold.
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Old Oct 22, 2014, 04:26 PM
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It's hard to accept that people aren't always going to do what you want. You can either make a big dramatic deal out of it, or you can let it go. We can control whether we smile, or how we think about someone else's smile, but we have no control-- nor should we-- over whether someone else chooses to smile or not. We don't even know what the smile means, or what its absence means.

I do have a hard time getting behind the idea that this proffered response is some kind of brilliance. It just sounds immature to me, and kind of mean. It wouldn't be the way that I would expect someone who cared about me to treat me.
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Old Oct 22, 2014, 04:35 PM
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She wouldn't smile at you?
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Old Oct 22, 2014, 06:15 PM
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She wouldn't smile at you?
Nope. And she admitted it was deliberate. And yes it was a deal-breaker and yes I live with the consequences.
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Old Oct 22, 2014, 09:39 PM
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What on earth is so terrible about a smile? I'm assuming that no laughter was part of your sessions either?
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Old Oct 22, 2014, 09:55 PM
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wow......
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Old Oct 22, 2014, 11:59 PM
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I can't believe she did that! Since starting therapy and realising how important T's smile is to me I've been consciously smiling more at my kids, her smile feels like the most important element to me.
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Old Oct 23, 2014, 04:04 AM
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It's hard to accept that people aren't always going to do what you want. You can either make a big dramatic deal out of it, or you can let it go. We can control whether we smile, or how we think about someone else's smile, but we have no control-- nor should we-- over whether someone else chooses to smile or not. We don't even know what the smile means, or what its absence means.

I do have a hard time getting behind the idea that this proffered response is some kind of brilliance. It just sounds immature to me, and kind of mean. It wouldn't be the way that I would expect someone who cared about me to treat me.
You don't think this is a Bold and Original Idea? To each his own.
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Old Oct 23, 2014, 06:31 AM
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Nope. And she admitted it was deliberate. And yes it was a deal-breaker and yes I live with the consequences.
Wow. So... Why?? Or did she not say??

For what this might be worth... My therapist told me when he was just starting out he worked in a mental hospital. He said a supervisor told him not to smile at a patient there, saying that she had been so abused she would attach to anyone who showed her any kindness. He said he smiled at her anyways.
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Old Oct 23, 2014, 06:35 AM
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By the way, I'm sorry. That's just sad, and horrible. I realize they need to keep professional boundaries, but damn. Wow.
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Old Oct 23, 2014, 08:35 AM
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Here's what I should have said to Madame T:
"You can withhold your smile if you want to. But don't expect me to watch."
And then I would put on a blindfold.
So maybe thats why psychoanalysts sit where the client cant see the t's face. Like she wasnt withholding it as much as saying, "cant you see what youre doing here? I can." Just like people get sick of my constant blah blah blah. So yes, your not watching could have been a way out of the impasse. But was she blocking your way up the mountain, or were you stopped anyway?
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Old Oct 23, 2014, 08:41 AM
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I did not take CE super literally. I think it would have been sort of fun to see the therapist's reaction. I see nothing mean in what he thought.
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Old Oct 23, 2014, 04:12 PM
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I can't understand why on earth your therapist would refuse to smile at you. I'm guessing there's some context I'm missing and not the way she was for the 10 years you saw her?
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