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Old May 02, 2015, 07:41 PM
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When people disagree it is sometimes viewed as unsupportive.

Most people are ok with disagreement and different opinions but some aren't, either cannot handle due to whatever is their struggle it or are in a wrong place in life to be in disagreement. They should be able to occasionally vent without others offering suggestion. Then we could avoid being called unsupportive and people get what they need.

I know it is not ideal, but I'd rather people do that than all of us worry about being in trouble when we give an opinion .

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Isn't that what the Dear T thread is for? It's a discussion forum, why post a thread in the first place if you're not interested in discussion?

I don't think anyone should be getting in trouble for offering an opinion. If someone doesn't want to hear another's opinions there is always the ignore feature.

I still don't see a good reason for this reprimand. If the thread in question is offensive why hasn't it been closed?
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Old May 02, 2015, 07:53 PM
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Supportive doesnt mean agree with, necessarily. If somebody feels bad about something, what is there to agree with? You can say, i understand why you would feel that way. Or, yeah that would make me feel lonely too, or whatever. That might open up a dialogue on the main feeling (lonely) rather than the person's "rightness" in feeling lonely. Whether you are right or wrong to feel lonely - ??? - you still FEEL lonely. Or whatever.
Mostly I, for example, just want to be heard. I don't want to be given advice or told what I should do. I feel lonelier when everyone piles on and tells me why my feelings are wrong or what I should do instead. Often I actually do know what for me I should do. I even usually know I will eventually do it. But here, I just want to be able hear about what others do and get to tell what I do without criticism.
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Old May 02, 2015, 08:01 PM
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And, If someone doesn't want to hear another's opinions, they shouldn't ASK for them.
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Old May 02, 2015, 08:03 PM
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And when someone says they don't want them, they should not have them foisted upon them.
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Old May 02, 2015, 08:14 PM
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How is giving an opinion, being supportive?
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Old May 02, 2015, 08:15 PM
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How is giving an opinion, being supportive?
If you agree with the OP, I guess.....
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Old May 02, 2015, 08:18 PM
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I don't think it so much the giving of the opinion - any conversation that goes beyond how-are-you-good-and-you? consists of a sharing of opinions. It's the difference between 'I think you might' and 'I think you must' that's the crux of the issue.
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Aha. I think I understand now.
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Old May 02, 2015, 08:23 PM
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I don't think it so much the giving of the opinion - any conversation that goes beyond how-are-you-good-and-you? consists of a sharing of opinions. It's the difference between 'I think you might' and 'I think you must' that's the crux of the issue.
That is why I try to stick with "I think I would...."
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Old May 02, 2015, 08:26 PM
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I actually think I get it now.

The initial post in this thread is instructing me how to behave... expecting that I will open-mindedly review this advice and use it to modify any unhealthy behavior... behavior that I may not have seen myself. I needed someone else to point it out me. Good thing someone posted something contrary to the way I was seeing this situation, or I may not have made this connection today.

The irony is hilarious, but I'm actually serious. Growth can be found in the strangest of places.
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Old May 02, 2015, 08:28 PM
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I don't think it so much the giving of the opinion - any conversation that goes beyond how-are-you-good-and-you? consists of a sharing of opinions. It's the difference between 'I think you might' and 'I think you must' that's the crux of the issue.
It IS difficult to come up with an alternative to "you might or you must". Totally out of the box thinking! I cant think of anything offhand right now, but maybe someone else can and will post soon. But i wanted to let you know someone read your post.

Eta - how about - "i like the way you asked the person to blah blah blah. That showed real gumption."

Eta 2 - this is something i often struggle with myself. i dont respond to a lot of posts."
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Old May 02, 2015, 08:33 PM
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It IS difficult to come up with an alternative to "you might or you must". Totally out of the box thinking! I cant think of anything offhand right now, but maybe someone else can and will post soon. But i wanted to let you know someone read your post.

Eta - how about - "i like the way you asked the person to blah blah blah. That showed real gumption."
What about telling how you think you would handle such a situation and why it works for you? Or pointing to books or whatever on the subject? Or just saying yes the same thing happened to me when x." Or just "yes that sounds awful" or "I understand it feels bad right now" ? There are a lot of choices other than "you should or might or must"
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Old May 02, 2015, 08:36 PM
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I actually think I get it now.

The initial post in this thread is instructing me how to behave... expecting that I will open-mindedly review this advice and use it to modify any unhealthy behavior... behavior that I may not have seen myself. I needed someone else to point it out me. Good thing someone posted something contrary to the way I was seeing this situation, or I may not have made this connection today.

The irony is hilarious, but I'm actually serious. Growth can be found in the strangest of places.
haha, interesting reply
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Old May 02, 2015, 08:39 PM
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It depends on the individual post and poster though. Some people I feel comfortable being emphatic about my opinion with, some not.
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Old May 02, 2015, 08:41 PM
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It depends on the individual post and poster though. Some people I feel comfortable being emphatic about my opinion with - they seem to value others' opinions and don't get offended by different points of view. Others, not so much. I try to be aware of that...
I think I try to do this too.
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Old May 02, 2015, 08:43 PM
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I though the post was quite straightforward.

If someone's wants a diganois, you say we can not diganois, you need to see a professional.

If someone says what should I do, you don't say you should get a new T, you should change or drop your meds, you should do this or that. Instead you can say what your experience is or has been.

I know there has been times when I've violated these rules, we most likely all have done so at one time or another. For myself I try to stop and think before I press reply. How would I feel if I read this? How would I feel reading this post? Sometimes I get caught up in the drama and don't pause before hitting reply and those are the times I've been heavy with the you shoulds. Nobody is perfect and you needn't be afraid to post.
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Old May 02, 2015, 09:02 PM
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Oh, the post itself was quite clear. What I don't like about it was that it's calling out the whole forum over the behavior of a few. There are an awful lot of people here who never say anything offensive and are very anxious about posting for fear they will say the wrong thing. This sort of thing is most unhelpful for the socially anxious among us.
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Old May 02, 2015, 09:07 PM
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Isn't that what the Dear T thread is for? It's a discussion forum, why post a thread in the first place if you're not interested in discussion?

I don't think anyone should be getting in trouble for offering an opinion. If someone doesn't want to hear another's opinions there is always the ignore feature.

I still don't see a good reason for this reprimand. If the thread in question is offensive why hasn't it been closed?

I actually don't know which thread is in question. I am just offering general suggestion. I have never seen any offensive posts on this forum. Sure some people react very intensely to everything, even the most innocent comments, but that's the nature of this forum. It is not "hobby" forum where people discuss golf tournaments lol



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Old May 02, 2015, 09:24 PM
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Oh, the post itself was quite clear. What I don't like about it was that it's calling out the whole forum over the behavior of a few. There are an awful lot of people here who never say anything offensive and are very anxious about posting for fear they will say the wrong thing. This sort of thing is most unhelpful for the socially anxious among us.

Good point about calling out the entire forum. I felt the same way at first, but kind of reconciled that in my own mind when I considered that the bulk of the posters here are somewhere on the continuum between "offers suggestions to those who we feel could benefit from change" and "offers suggestions to those we feel could benefit from changing the way that they offer support".
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Old May 02, 2015, 09:36 PM
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I actually don't know which thread is in question. I am just offering general suggestion. I have never seen any offensive posts on this forum. Sure some people react very intensely to everything, even the most innocent comments, but that's the nature of this forum. It is not "hobby" forum where people discuss golf tournaments lol



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Oh, I don't know, those hobby forums can get pretty wild. We're tame in comparison
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Good point about calling out the entire forum. I felt the same way at first, but kind of reconciled that in my own mind when I considered that the bulk of the posters here are somewhere on the continuum between "offers suggestions to those who we feel could benefit from change" and "offers suggestions to those we feel could benefit from changing the way that they offer support".

My initial reaction was 'Huh? What happened?' Kinda got sidetracked into a discussion about appropriate replies etc., but I still feel the original post was uncalled-for.
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Old May 02, 2015, 10:05 PM
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I am glad to see this reminder because I do agree people are often mean under the guise of wanting to be helpful. Different kinds of behaviors can feel mean, being judgmental of the OP, condescending, proclaiming to own the truth, scolding someone for their feelings...

I have not actually read the thread mentioned and my opinion isn't based on that.
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Old May 03, 2015, 04:24 AM
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Oh, I don't know, those hobby forums can get pretty wild. We're tame in comparison

Lol I know. I am using some too. I meant something else but didn't know how to say it without sounding wrong. Due to nature of this forum many members suffer from Mental health issues and/or have illness and it makes them to respond and act certain way. It is important to remember that if someone reacts strangely to different opinions or says something strange that is why. I sometimes forget about it being all puzzled why someone reacts certain way

. So if people warn others that they cannot handle different opinions, then it should be fine.

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Isn't the title of this thread telling others how to act? :-/

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