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Old Apr 14, 2018, 11:14 PM
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Because of this:
" For a therapist, it helps to be able to establish a sense of connection quickly with a wary client or gently disarm a hostile one. It’s great to have that just-right timing and sense of playfulness that gets a sullen teenager to crack a smile, or to say “mmm-hmm” with such a sense of deep rapport that it releases a tightly controlled client to finally let go and cry"

They are doing it at a client to get a reaction.
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Old Apr 15, 2018, 01:15 PM
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i did read the rest of it last night, and it did get ridiculous. i take it all back.
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Old Apr 17, 2018, 12:38 PM
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They are doing it at a client to get a reaction.
May be "they" are doing it for some unhealthy purpose -- one more related to their own needs than to the client's.

May be not.
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Old Apr 21, 2018, 05:40 PM
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Considering printing out this article for my therapist, highlighting the most relevant parts, and having him read it while I hide behind the chair.
It was scarily accurate. It was like someone knew my deepest most shameful feelings and secrets and wrote an article about them.

Attachment to Therapist: A Primer

"When children carry distressing neediness day in and day out, in order to manage the constant pain, their mind eventually develops a value system that functions to suppress the constant ache. This system discourages conscious neediness by adopting an internal prohibition against it. “You shouldn’t need attention.” This is effective in pushing the yearning out of awareness, but further fuels its intensity."

"Having these three types of values standing against one’s natural feelings and longings intensifies them greatly and leads to huge amounts of shame. Along with the unfulfilled needs, themselves, these internal defenses form significant part of the difficulty patients bring to therapy."

"Transference refers to times in therapy when the patient’s words and actions reflect the child’s perceptions and methods for solving problems. Usually this is (unconsciously) filtered to make it seem reasonable. For example, the patient might think, “I just want help feeling better.” The feelings surrounding that thought would be more consistent with, “I want you to take away my pain.” Hopefully later, the patient might feel safer and more comfortable and might admit that “I want you to hold me and be there all the time.” That would be a more accurate rendition of the inner child’s true wish."

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Old Apr 28, 2018, 11:27 AM
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[QUOTE=LabRat27;6097270]It was scarily accurate. It was like someone knew my deepest most shameful feelings and secrets and wrote an article about them.

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It’s not shameful though. Even if it feels like it.

This article is immensely helpful, thank you so much for posting it!
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Old Apr 29, 2018, 08:23 AM
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Considering printing out this article for my therapist, highlighting the most relevant parts, and having him read it while I hide behind the chair.
It was scarily accurate. It was like someone knew my deepest most shameful feelings and secrets and wrote an article about them.

Attachment to Therapist: A Primer

"When children carry distressing neediness day in and day out, in order to manage the constant pain, their mind eventually develops a value system that functions to suppress the constant ache. This system discourages conscious neediness by adopting an internal prohibition against it. “You shouldn’t need attention.” This is effective in pushing the yearning out of awareness, but further fuels its intensity."

"Having these three types of values standing against one’s natural feelings and longings intensifies them greatly and leads to huge amounts of shame. Along with the unfulfilled needs, themselves, these internal defenses form significant part of the difficulty patients bring to therapy."

"Transference refers to times in therapy when the patient’s words and actions reflect the child’s perceptions and methods for solving problems. Usually this is (unconsciously) filtered to make it seem reasonable. For example, the patient might think, “I just want help feeling better.” The feelings surrounding that thought would be more consistent with, “I want you to take away my pain.” Hopefully later, the patient might feel safer and more comfortable and might admit that “I want you to hold me and be there all the time.” That would be a more accurate rendition of the inner child’s true wish."
Thanks for the link to this article. It was a long but very worthwhile read for me.
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Old May 06, 2018, 04:31 PM
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This guy is so full of himself. What misplaced snobbery:
"They [clients] leave therapy just like they’d leave a supermarket or a hairdresser...."
https://www.pesi.com/blog/details/14...IyMzE4MjgzNQS2
Oh No - Not like A hairdresser - the horror.
Oh those poor misguided clients who don't want to pay a therapist to say they are going to stop therapy or who mistakenly believe they are fine leaving without boosting the therapist's ego and bottom line one last time.
And for the record - hair dressers also consider themselves professionals and my mother's came to her funeral.
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Old May 09, 2018, 02:21 PM
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I've really been struggling with validating fragments that have come to me of abuse.

I've been trying to understand memory and making sense of it all.

This found me today and I wanted to share it. It really helped me sort some things out.

Memories of childhood sexual assault - why are they different? how can we trust them? - May We Dance on Their Graves
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Old May 12, 2018, 08:05 PM
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Old May 12, 2018, 11:01 PM
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Wow. That was a really interesting read. Thank you, AY.
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Old May 16, 2018, 06:11 AM
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Thoughts about psychotherapy:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...y-take-so-long

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As I learn more about how the human brain works and changes, I find myself wondering how in the world is talk therapy effective. The numbers just don’t add up. As I figure it, there are 168 hours in a week. Most people in individual psychotherapy meet once a week for an hour (which, of course is actually 45 - 50 minutes). That means a patient or client spends roughly one hour a week actively trying to change his/her brain and behavior with the remaining 167 hours spent in the real world struggling to escape from the deep grooves of complicated relational dynamics. That is .5% of engaged, neuroplastic change time with a therapist and 99.5% of time spent with the same life stressors that led them to therapy in the first place. These numbers just don’t speak to rapid change.
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Old May 19, 2018, 05:02 PM
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London's famous 'therapy book-store'
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Old Jun 28, 2018, 07:07 AM
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...d-relationship

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Most psychiatrists in practice in the U.S. today function exclusively as psychopharmacologists, spending less than 30 minutes with patients once every few months. If a patient might benefit from talk therapy, often they are referred to a social worker or psychologist for such help. This has resulted in a "split treatment" model which has been criticized on various fronts ranging from its inconvenience to its ineffectiveness.
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Old Jul 03, 2018, 04:38 AM
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very interesting article: a feminist perspective on the limits of therapy and how therapy pathologizes very normal behaviours considering the patriarchal society we live in. https://www.feministcurrent.com/2017...nist-activism/
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Old Jul 03, 2018, 03:11 PM
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Thanks Myrto,
I really enjoyed this article!
Especially this paragraph makes so much sense.
Despite knowing this, psychology does not exist or function to address these issues and the systemic reasons behind them — the oppression of the poor, racialized, and female, for example. Rather, therapy aims only to address each individual’s emotional reaction to their circumstances. It can make you wonder what good psychology actually does for society at large, and for women, in particular.
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Old Jul 06, 2018, 12:05 PM
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Diana Fosha on "trauma is a patient left alone with overwhelming affect" .
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Old Aug 15, 2018, 03:27 AM
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Interviews with 100 CBT therapists show that 43% of clients experience unwanted side effects from therapy: Interviews with 100 CBT-therapists reveal 43 per cent of clients experience unwanted side-effects from therapy – Research Digest
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Old Aug 22, 2018, 09:11 AM
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When therapists do harm:
When Therapists Do Harm | The Ferentz Institute
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Old Aug 27, 2018, 04:43 PM
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Why We Suffer: Psychologists of the world, go deeper
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Old Aug 27, 2018, 11:55 PM
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This guy is a complete asshole very caught up in his "authority"
https://www.whywesuffer.com/how-to-r...psychotherapy/
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Old Aug 28, 2018, 12:05 PM
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This guy is a complete asshole very caught up in his "authority"
How to Recognize Good Psychotherapy | WHY WE SUFFER
good lord-i couldn’t even make it all the way through the article.
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 06:14 PM
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An unexpected possible positive consequence from (moderate) trauma on cognitive processing: For some, experiencing trauma may act as a form of cognitive training that increases their mental control – Research Digest
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Old Sep 10, 2018, 08:38 PM
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Negative effects of therapy
http://coping.us/images/Barlow_2010_...cts_of_EBP.pdf

10 ways therapists make clients worse
10 Ways Mental Health Professionals Increase Misery in Suffering People - Mad In America
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Old Sep 10, 2018, 09:05 PM
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How we treat the violently mentally ill -- The Marshall Project: A Turbulent Mind
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Old Sep 24, 2018, 06:34 AM
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A clinical psychology professor's take on harmful and iatrogenic effects of therapy:

Potentially Harmful Treatments - Oxford Research Encyclopedia of Psychology

I was especially interested in the next to last paragraph and his suggestion that:

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further research on potential shared mechanisms for iatrogenic effects is sorely needed
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