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View Poll Results: do the ends justify the means in therapy?
yes - as long as it works great 14 26.92%
yes - as long as it works great
14 26.92%
No - there are things I care more about than the end result 33 63.46%
No - there are things I care more about than the end result
33 63.46%
other 5 9.62%
other
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 07:59 AM
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Do you care more about the result than the method in therapy? I am not talking about illegal methods (although I don't know what illegal or immoral ones there would be).
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 08:13 AM
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My first instinct was to answer yes. As long as it works, then it's all good. But I changed my answer to "other" because I don't want to sound like I'd embrace illegal or immoral 'methods' just to try to feel better. That would make me feel worse.
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 08:54 AM
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I meant legal and as relatively moral as any therapy is.
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 10:19 AM
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Other - because while the results matter most to me, therere certain means I shy away from. Like last week one of them told me I needed to get more attached to her to succeed in therapy. No, thanks. I just need to be able to tolerate her enough to talk to her.

Can someone who answered no explain why? Is it like the journey is more important than the destination?
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 10:23 AM
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I care more about the method than the result. I won't do some things even if they would be guaranteed to get a result I want - I would rather not have the result than do X. I chose no.
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 10:46 AM
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definitely the result. I'd do anything to get fully healthy.
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 11:13 AM
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Questionable therapy methods have kept me stuck and prevented me from getting to the root of my issues (workaholism and fear of intimacy). I've lost years by getting stuck with an unethical T.
That's why I answered "no."
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 11:20 AM
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Questionable therapy methods have kept me stuck and prevented me from getting to the root of my issues (workaholism and fear of intimacy). I've lost years by getting stuck with an unethical T.
That's why I answered "no."
But is your objection to the methods or to the fact they did not work?
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 11:32 AM
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EMDR is a good treatment for PTSD, I hear. But I refuse to do that. I voted no.
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 02:15 PM
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Well i am going to try accountability. I had a thought this morning that my apartment looks like no one cares about me. Cuz no one comes to visit, so no one sees the mess. But thats not exactly true. I know people care. I just wont let them in. So in t today, i told him i wanted him to hold me accountable for whatever i said i was going to do today. It doesnt even have to be the thing - its just that he will ask me. He said, "and you will be okay with that." I was like, i dont know how i will feel, but i guess we will see. I came home feeling hot dizzy and tired so i am lying down and not swimming yet, but i guess we'll see!
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 03:34 PM
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I've taken a moment to think about what you mean by this question - I'm taking it to mean does it matter to you if the method seems ridiculous or unfavothamable if you get a good result. My answer is yes. I wouldn't carry on if the method didn't make sense to me.
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 04:24 PM
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I meant legal and as relatively moral as any therapy is.
Ok then yes. I thought my t was kooky in the beginning with her go down into your body stuff but i decided to go with it cuz i liked her and hated feeling miserable and how about that it works for me. Been a long time since i thought she was kooky.
Eta: i told her one time that I'd initially thought she was kooky and she found that funny.
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 06:39 PM
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I care more about the method than the result. I won't do some things even if they would be guaranteed to get a result I want - I would rather not have the result than do X. I chose no.
Same here.
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 06:43 PM
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Yes, unless it set off my own internal alarms. I wouldn't do something that made me feel threatened or felt "wrong" to me. Otherwise I'll try anything once. But I'm that way in regular life too.
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 06:56 PM
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I voted no. I think goals are important in therapy, but the means of getting there are, for me, more important. I have had therapists that are totally married to their "method" or school of thought - everything else, including my own mental health, be damned. It's taken me a long time to trust my instincts. And I've also come to the realization that no one path is the correct one for everyone. That being said, I am open to trying different things.
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 07:03 PM
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Do you care more about the result than the method in therapy? I am not talking about illegal methods (although I don't know what illegal or immoral ones there would be).
Do you mind to give a hypothetical example?

I suppose in general, I'd say w/therapy... I do think the means matter a lot, like you alluded to, that it is the journey that matters, living well one day at a time, but... not absolutely, I think it's a combination too, like... no pain no gain, to mix cliches.
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 07:12 PM
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I answered no because some methods COULD do more harm than good and I am not willing to take the chance. One example is exposure therapy. T and I have discussed this and we agree. While I am quite strong and a survivor there are certain aspects that I am psychologically fragile and we are not willing to take the risk.
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 09:04 PM
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I usually go by whatever works, but I voted "other". There are some things that I know I wouldn't do even if they were guarenteed to work.
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 10:45 PM
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Never. I've been permanently damaged by my psycho t. If he thinks he's going to sell that jargon to me or anyone else, he's got another thing coming.
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Old Sep 15, 2015, 10:57 PM
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I feel like maybe people are thinking of behavioristic means, like snapping a rubber band on your wrist every time you want a cookie, or something like that. I think, like tisket said, the question is really more about, would you do weird psychodynamic things (like role play, or doll play, or whatever) to attain psychodynamic ends? Amirite?
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Old Sep 16, 2015, 11:12 AM
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But is your objection to the methods or to the fact they did not work?
The methods. Definitely the methods. Even if they'd worked (cannot see how), I would have found the entire exercise objectionable. Which I did.....
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Old Oct 10, 2015, 07:42 PM
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Yes, but then again, I'm quite the masochist.
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Old Oct 11, 2015, 02:49 PM
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A means can be justified only by its end. But the end in its turn needs to be justified. (Leon Trotsky 1938)
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Old Oct 11, 2015, 03:00 PM
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Although I didn't read all the replies, my first instinct was to vote yes. To me, good results are why we are in therapy to begin with, so however it takes to get there is fine with me.
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Old Oct 11, 2015, 10:01 PM
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I care about the end result. I want to be able to function without therapy someday. Not sure if thats going to happen.
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