[SoConfused623]

I have my bi-weekly therapy appointment tomorrow which is also 420 or National Weed Day. I'm a registered medical marijuana patient as it helps with my anxiety and depression and marijuana is also decriminalized in my state. I've been dying to know if my therapist smokes pot and I was thinking of bringing in a pre-rolled joint to give to her if she says that she smokes or wants to. I wouldn't even tell her I had it unless she really seemed interested. We've talked about pot several times and I still can't tell if she actual smokes it or not and I want to know to satisfy my curiosity.

If she were to get annoyed it would NOT be because I brought it to her office as I've showed her stuff before and she seemed a little interested. I just don't want her to get mad about the boundary thing because she tries to for the most part be a blank slate.... I just think that it would be fun to have a rapport with her over something and why not over pot?

Would love to hear your thoughts and opinions. Also, if you are also a medical marijuana patient or even a recreational user I'd be interested to know.

Thanks!

[WrkNPrgress]

Many therapist would be adverse to accepting it for reasons that have nothing to do with judging it. This is a bit like bringing in a can of beer in order to see if your therapists drinks or not. It's legal. There's nothing wrong with the beer in itself. They might not have a problem with it but that doesn't mean they'll accept the gift.

Instead, why don't you just ask them if they smoke? Then the next question is, why is it important to you that they share the like for pot?

[Argonautomobile]

I miss pot SO MUCH. I used to be quite the recreational user back in the day, but right around 19/20 It just started to make me freak out. Horrible, horrible panic attacks. I'd get stuck in an irrational thought loop (usually disassociative in nature--along the lines of 'I'm not real') and not be able to get out of it no matter how much I tried to distract with the simple pleasures of a cartoon or bowl of cereal.

I've tried many times to start again--and I mean, really tried. different strains. different methods. different environments. But the magic is gone. I'm still really sad about it. I'd give my left breast to be able to smoke again.

My T told me he's heard of this happening to people before--they get older and one day--BAM!--they're just not able to tolerate it anymore. It was all anecdotal, he had no idea why that would happen, never read about it, but says he's heard it a lot from patients over the years.

Anyway, thanks for the thread. Have a nice 420 and enjoy a bowl for me. As for taking it to session...eh, I wouldn't, personally. But that's just me.

[BudFox]

Originally Posted by Argonautomobile

I miss pot SO MUCH.

I have had some success with strains that are super high in CBD. There is no discernible high while there is some anxiety lessening. But like you I have had some problems tolerating cannabis in general despite having smoked quite a bit in younger days.

For the OP, could be a bit awkward, being pot and being a gift, but I see nothing wrong with it fundamentally.

eta: I am a licensed medical cannabis patient also, though i let my license expire last month.

[atisketatasket]

Why don't you just ask her if she uses it? Seems less risky than bringing it to her.

[SoConfused623]

Originally Posted by WrkNPrgress

Many therapist would be adverse to accepting it for reasons that have nothing to do with judging it. This is a bit like bringing in a can of beer in order to see if your therapists drinks or not. It's legal. There's nothing wrong with the beer in itself. They might not have a problem with it but that doesn't mean they'll accept the gift.

Instead, why don't you just ask them if they smoke? Then the next question is, why is it important to you that they share the like for pot?

I edited my original post to include the answers to your questions.

[SoConfused623]

Originally Posted by Argonautomobile

I miss pot SO MUCH. I used to be quite the recreational user back in the day, but right around 19/20 It just started to make me freak out. Horrible, horrible panic attacks. I'd get stuck in an irrational thought loop (usually disassociative in nature--along the lines of 'I'm not real') and not be able to get out of it no matter how much I tried to distract with the simple pleasures of a cartoon or bowl of cereal.

I've tried many times to start again--and I mean, really tried. different strains. different methods. different environments. But the magic is gone. I'm still really sad about it. I'd give my left breast to be able to smoke again.

My T told me he's heard of this happening to people before--they get older and one day--BAM!--they're just not able to tolerate it anymore. It was all anecdotal, he had no idea why that would happen, never read about it, but says he's heard it a lot from patients over the years.

Anyway, thanks for the thread. Have a nice 420 and enjoy a bowl for me. As for taking it to session...eh, I wouldn't, personally. But that's just me.

Thank you and will definitely have a bowl for you! Wish you could too....

[stopdog]

I use it from time to time for insomnia. Not more than 3-4 times a year probably. Both of the therapists know and sometimes even suggest I might smoke if I am really sleep deprived. The first has said she would like to see me relaxed like that when I described its effect on me.
I would not, however, take a joint to either of them nor would I go stoned.

[Argonautomobile]

Originally Posted by BudFox

I have had some success with strains that are super high in CBD. There is no discernible high while there is some anxiety lessening. But like you I have had some problems tolerating cannabis in general despite having smoked quite a bit in younger days.

For the OP, could be a bit awkward, being pot and being a gift, but I see nothing wrong with it fundamentally.

eta: I am a licensed medical cannabis patient also, though i let my license expire last month.

Thanks for the tip, BF. This is actually one of the most helpful response I've ever received. I'm not, like, married to the idea that medical cannabis would be hugely beneficial for me (and admit my interest is largely recreational) but it would still be nice if my care team was at least aware of the irony in giving me the 'drugs are bad' lecture as they pull out their prescription pad.

Can I ask why you let your license expire? Just not worth the hassle?

[SoConfused623]

Originally Posted by stopdog

I use it from time to time for insomnia. Not more than 3-4 times a year probably. Both of the therapists know and sometimes even suggest I might smoke if I am really sleep deprived. The first has said she would like to see me relaxed like that when I described its effect on me.
I would not, however, take a joint to either of them nor would I go stoned.

Thanks. I don't go ANYWHERE stoned and I can't imagine seeing my T stoned as I would not remember what to say.

[SoConfused623]

Just wanted to give an update....I just came from my T session. Asked her if she knew that today was 420 AKA National Weed Day which she didn't. I then told her that I wanted to ask her something and I'd rather that she say that she didn't want to answer rather than make up something. She declined to answer the question which I was pretty sure would be the outcome. I did NOT mention anything about the joint that I was going to give her if she did. All is well, no harm done.

[WrkNPrgress]

I understand that this is a gift and a nice gesture that you hope to be a mutual interest, but I'm still not getting why you don't just ask her if she smokes, rather than bring in an item that she might hand back to you- whether she smokes or not. Sometimes gestures like this might be considered a coy aversion in place of direct communication.

Talk therapy requires talking for reasons. We have to learn to speak to our own stuff, affection, attrachment, curiosity, needs, demands etc. in order to get underneath the surface.

Simple questions are a part of that.

[BudFox]

Originally Posted by Argonautomobile

Thanks for the tip, BF. This is actually one of the most helpful response I've ever received. I'm not, like, married to the idea that medical cannabis would be hugely beneficial for me (and admit my interest is largely recreational) but it would still be nice if my care team was at least aware of the irony in giving me the 'drugs are bad' lecture as they pull out their prescription pad.

Can I ask why you let your license expire? Just not worth the hassle?

Drugs are bad… don't get me started. Cannabis could fairly be said to be a profoundly powerful healing plant. It's been painted as an illicit substance which only bad people use, but that is more about politics and profit than anything else. Google "Rick Simpson Oil".

I let the license expire out of laziness and forgetfulness. I've had mixed results with medical pot, so bit ambivalent but I will get it renewed eventually.

BTW, I've had some success with anxiety relief with a strain called AC/DC which can sometimes be very high in CBD (and low in THC), 5:1 or even 10-12:1. There is also a spray product I have used with some success:
https://www.cbd.org/cannabis-subling...rays-tinctures

[amandalouise]

Im so glad you chose to ask her rather than hand over a joint. here in my location treatment providers are allowed to accept or dispense drugs and alcohol even if its legal. some treatment providers can not even hand over something as simple as over the counter pain relievers (unless the treatment provider is a medical doctor) here it is legal for medical marijuana card users but if a treatment provider accepts or gives a joint to a client they can get arrested, lose their credentials and never work as a mental health treatment provider again. so again Im glad you went with the asking rather than heres a joint for you.

[Argonautomobile]

Originally Posted by BudFox

Drugs are bad… don't get me started. Cannabis could fairly be said to be a profoundly powerful healing plant. It's been painted as an illicit substance which only bad people use, but that is more about politics and profit than anything else. Google "Rick Simpson Oil".

I let the license expire out of laziness and forgetfulness. I've had mixed results with medical pot, so bit ambivalent but I will get it renewed eventually.

BTW, I've had some success with anxiety relief with a strain called AC/DC which can sometimes be very high in CBD (and low in THC), 5:1 or even 10-12:1. There is also a spray product I have used with some success:
https://www.cbd.org/cannabis-subling...rays-tinctures

Thanks for the tip! Much appreciated. Right there with you on the unfortunate demonization of the plant. Real ****ed-up history, there. I would need an entirely new care team if I ever wanted to qualify for a license (and thus have access to these products) but it's nice to know there are options and I appreciate you sharing your experiences very much. Take care!

[BudFox]

Originally Posted by Argonautomobile

Thanks for the tip! Much appreciated. Right there with you on the unfortunate demonization of the plant. Real ****ed-up history, there. I would need an entirely new care team if I ever wanted to qualify for a license (and thus have access to these products) but it's nice to know there are options and I appreciate you sharing your experiences very much. Take care!

You're welcome. In my state there are MDs who are setup to consult with patients just for the purpose of approving medical MJ licenses. So the person's normal docs would not be involved in any way.

[divine1966]

I am glad you asked rather than giving it to her. I personally can lose my job over this stuff ( I don't use any substance but if I wanted to), I'd rather people ask me if I smoke rather than handing me joints.

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[stopdog]

In terms of the irony and just flat out stupidity about drugs/tobacco/alcohol - I regularly visit locked wards to see clients and our hospitals are all no smoking allowed now - so my clients are desperate for cigarettes (which I used to carry to hospitals and jails to give to clients) =and when asked why - the response from the mds and rns is that smoking is bad for their health - which makes me laugh as many of my clients who have been locked up for very long have hideous side effects from the prescription drugs they have had forced upon them. In involuntary hearings, some come to court (they have the right to be present but can waive it) just to get a chance to smoke.

[BudFox]

Originally Posted by stopdog

In terms of the irony and just flat out stupidity about drugs/tobacco/alcohol - I regularly visit locked wards to see clients and our hospitals are all no smoking allowed now - so my clients are desperate for cigarettes (which I used to carry to hospitals and jails to give to clients) =and when asked why - the response from the mds and rns is that smoking is bad for their health - which makes me laugh as many of my clients who have been locked up for very long have hideous side effects from the prescription drugs they have had forced upon them. In involuntary hearings, some come to court (they have the right to be present but can waive it) just to get a chance to smoke.

Oh the hypocrisy. Pot, cigarettes… just say no. Meanwhile there's Pharmageddon right under their noses.

SoConfused - Glad everything worked out! Bringing a joint to session has many professional and legal ramifications for your therapist, so I think it was a good idea to pass.

It might be something you can share with an open-minded friend though!

[WrkNPrgress]

Originally Posted by WrkNPrgress

I understand (...yada... yada..)Simple questions are a part of that.

Oops. I did not see that you responded before my post, my apologies.

I'm Glad it went well for you. Do you still think she smokes? I only wonder because I find myself making all kinds of assumption about my T, only to realize how much of that was my own projections. Some of it I'm correct about but often, I'm just seeing my own desire to have her be like me.

Therapists are specialized in making us feel okay with ourselves and that involves active listening. Sometimes my T is so interested, it seems she's of the same ilk, but really she's just validating my own interest.

Also, I know a couple of therapists in 'real life' as friends and they're very good at empathizing to a point they make you believe they really share the same opinions or interests but may have never had that experience themselves.

[SoConfused623]

Originally Posted by WrkNPrgress

Oops. I did not see that you responded before my post, my apologies.

I'm Glad it went well for you. Do you still think she smokes? I only wonder because I find myself making all kinds of assumption about my T, only to realize how much of that was my own projections. Some of it I'm correct about but often, I'm just seeing my own desire to have her be like me.

Therapists are specialized in making us feel okay with ourselves and that involves active listening. Sometimes my T is so interested, it seems she's of the same ilk, but really she's just validating my own interest.

Also, I know a couple of therapists in 'real life' as friends and they're very good at empathizing to a point they make you believe they really share the same opinions or interests but may have never had that experience themselves.

Thanks for your comments. You really opened my eyes about my T and her empathy. She always makes me feel like she agrees with me and understands and now I'm realizing that she has just mastered the look and feel of empathy and that she may feel the complete opposite about many things.

Unfortunately, I will never know how she feels about anything because she wants to be a blank slate and NEVER shares any personal anecdote about anything. I may post a new topic just on this point.

And to answer your question, I definitely don't think that she smokes pot now. I think that she may have tried it at some point, but I just don't think that she smokes on a regular basis now or ever did!

Thanks again.

[BudFox]

Originally Posted by SoConfused623

Unfortunately, I will never know how she feels about anything because she wants to be a blank slate and NEVER shares any personal anecdote about anything.

This is widely considered conducive to the client's healing or development, and seems it is for some. For me in hindsight it was dangerous and ultimately destructive. It's hard to trust someone who is not being authentic, at least not in a way that people are accustomed to.