appointment part 2

so as someone else suggested i am starting a new thread i saw my psychiatrist he asked how the hospital was and said he was surprised i was not on medication and managed to fly under the radar for 16 days without the hospital doing anything he said i was psychotic again and that i needed to be on medication and that he was going to make some angry phone calls to the hospital and he kept asking how he could get me to take medication. he said he was going to call my psychologist after i see him and that he wanted to see me again in a week. he was also surprised i managed to sneak my razor into the hospital and that they didnt even try and take it off me. he said if he was my doctor at the hospital i would have been on injections which kind of makes me nervous i dont know if he is going to send me back there or not. i am at a program thing where it is like a house only there are staff and it is for young adults with mental health issues and now the people at the house want me on medication too. i have not see my psychologist yet but i am nervous.

You psychiatrist sounds like he sees things pretty clearly. I hope he can get you the help that will improve things for you.

Well, I've read some of your other threads...

That hospital sounds like it has all sorts of problems. I agree with your psychiatrist that you should not have been able to sneak in a razor. They should have taken it off you for safety reasons. (It's not just you they have to be worried about. They have to be worried about other patients potentially stealing your razor and hurting themselves with it.) Also, it's their responsibility to put you on medication or at least tweak your current meds (if you're on any).

I don't blame you for hating that place. I would too. They sound horrible.

Your pdoc sounds like a good guy, though. He knows what he's doing. It's good that he's going to yell at the hospital.

but he wants me on medication i dont understand why everyone keeps saying "you need to be taking medication" "why arent you on medication" i am fine i dont need that and besides i am not allowed anyway and also then i would not be able to start doing the magic stuff the others want me to do and that stuff is very important.

With all due respect, how can you say you are "fine" when your threads tell of such unspeakable emotional distress and torment. That is not the definition of 'fine'.

They are trying to give you meds in an attempt to break you out of this cycle. Seeing not doing anything isn't helping, seeing your coping strategies aren't working, meds are are a new 'thing' to try.

Most of the people on these boards see there is something wrong. Your psychologist(?) and here psychiatrist, who is a trained professional in the domain, say there is something wrong. I am surprised you are still not willing to accept the *possibility* that there is something not quite right going on with you...

I am aware this post will be ignored, as per, but it had to be said. :/

It's up to you if you want to take medication. No one can force you. (Well, maybe a hospital can, but once you get discharged, they can't force you to do anything.)

Are you currently seeing a therapist? If you are, maybe talk to your therapist how you feel about all this. Just be honest and go in with an open mind.

I understand why you don't want to go on meds, which is why I think you should talk to a therapist. It's good to open up to someone like that. They can help you.

But honestly, I do think your doctors have good intentions. I don't think they want to put you on meds to make you miserable. They want to see you happy again. Your pdoc, especially, seems like a good man.

That hospital sounds fishy to me. You said they didn't have toilet paper and you had to beg for it for 2 days. they didn't even care what you wipe with? 16 days and no Meds? No treatment? You didn't get any better and they just discharged? And they didn't correspond with your doctor while you were there?

In a civilized country? Was this a real hospital? I don't mean you imagined the whole thing, but was it a legitimate facility? Like does it have good reputation?

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i am not saying i feel good i just dont really think that my issue is medical in nature.

i see a psychologist already.

yes it is a real hospital it doesnt really have a great name but as i said i live in a small area and that is the only public hospital for 4 hours and the next one is in a different state. and yeah they pretty much did nothing i am not the only one that happened too either the nurses there are constantly short staffed and the doctors never get to see everyone on their list and it is just not well funded either but that you can blame the government for. but it is a real hospital yes.

In Australia you are put into catchment zones for public hospitals depending where you live. So basically depending on your socioeconomic status and your age, where you live will generally depict the type of hospital provided. You don't pay a cent out of pocket for anything. We have a great system where the government pays to ensure everyone has access to health care. If you have private health insurance you can chose your facility however being sectioned as an involuntary patient provides a different set of rules and your placed wherever a bed is available. To be fair in some cases you get what you pay for, and I think free healthcare is pretty amazing in which they do the best they can with the budget provided by the government.

That being said Hospitals in Australia are of a very good quality overall

Also may be good to point out that the hospital may have been working with the information they were given working with Edeb. We don't know both sides of the story here. we may not know the full story of what transpired over those 16 days besides what Eden tells us and it's impossible to know what the hospitals treatment plan was and what their experience may have been.

Ah ok. I misunderstood. Where I live, there's a difference between a therapist and a psychologist.

I think your psychologist will help you figure out what you need to do... but it's important to trust that person's judgment. They're experienced at what they do and can really help you tackle this problem

I understand you're nervous, but try your best to be as honest and open as you can. The more honest and open you are, the more they can help you.

Definitely tell your psychologist about your hospital stay and explain how it made you feel (if you haven't done this already). I know it upset you, so it's good to let out all your frustrations. Definitely mention the others and why you don't want to take meds.

You can do it but please go in with an open mind.

Thanks for explanation. I mean I am familiar with socialized medicine and d and pretty much 3rd world medical care ( stayed there in the hospital) yet I have never heard of no toilet paper and no treatment for 2 weeks etc overall I have hard time comprehending how a patient gets worse over the course of a year abs nothing gets done , I am perplexed. I know Australia is civilized world!

Firstly this post REALLY annoys me yes the hospitals in NSW are good even the ones in Melbourne but the one I went to had 0 therapy the only thing they used was meds the staff were the ones constantly complaining about being short staffed and no you don't know what happened so stop pretending you do I am not saying they don't try the best with the budget they are given I am saying the budget they were given is crap. Also the fact that you assume that what I am saying is not true or that because you think my mental state is bad that I am not giving a good representation of what happened is really annoying everything I said happened happened the staff knew that the place was run badly and quite frankly I am sick of people telling me what I did and did not experience. Just because you had a good experience doesn't mean I did. I am so sick of this ****.

Sorry, but why do we need to know both sides of the story to provide eden with support? Her description of the hospital experience was consistent across her earlier posts. And her psychiatrist believed her and was going to take action, and there is evidence that the hospital was careless (e.g., didn't take away her razor).

Therapists, at least in individual counseling, generally do not go out hunting for another point of view from a client's partner or family. They're for their client. Eden may not always agree with our forms of support or advice, but she was at the hospital and we weren't. Maybe we should do her the courtesy of believing her as a member of this community.

Can I just say something. I live in Australia too. In my health district the Acute unit I was in was atrocious. I had to wait 3 days to see a doctor then another 3 days before my meds were sorted out and I had to do all the asking. I asked for 3 days for a feminine hygiene unit for my room. I had touse the public toilets.
At no time wether in-patient or out-patient has ny GP received a discharge letter or anything detailing my treatment plan. This is not restricted to the mental health side but exptends through any department in this hospital. I kknow in the state I am originally from this would not have happened.

If you live in regional Australia your options are severely limited.

All good, not looking to argue with anyone just wanted to shed light on Australia,
As we are a very fortunate country.
I guess when people are questioning the type of facilities we have here I just wanted to describe other aspects to how things are in Australia.

Anyway I won't be posting anymore on Pc, much better to lurk than get involved as I don't like to debate or get into uneccessary conflict. It's difficult when everyone's post/comment is picked on so intensely for sharing a point of view.

No love lost, stay safe all X

I don't think anyone was casting aspersions upon Australia. But there can be good and bad facilities = it is a pretty big country. Here in the US - in my own state and even in my city there are huge differences in hospitals and psych wards. When I go visit my clients in a couple of facilities - I know they are being fed with subpar food, the rooms and beds are in terrible condition, it is unclean, etc. In a couple of other facilities, there is greater wealth and more private pay and things look much nicer and the care is better.

i feel terrible i am scared about what my psychiatrist is going to do and everything hurts and i want to scream i cant i dont know what to do i am scared he would send me back to the hospital i dont everything is going to fast and i feel like i am being ripped and torn from the inside while i get sucked into a black hole and someone has lit the entire mess on fire. i cant even speak properly nothing is coming out i feel like i am shutting down i dont know what to do.

That is just really sad you were placed in such horrid hospital and to top it off if the budget is already low they just wasted 16 days, which is expensive yet they didn't help you whatsoever. Why even keep a patient for such long stay and do totally nothing.

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They were never going to help me they wanted to hurt me.

So sorry you feel like that. When I feel sort of the same my therapist tells me that I'm "activated". Something to do with the body and mind's response to fear and, in my case, past trauma. It always passes, usually without anything terrible happening in the outside world but it doesn't feel like that inside when it's happening.

This feeling has been here for weeks and has not passed.

Yes, that's a long time. Is anything that happened at the hospital as bad as this feeling? For me, how horrible I feel sometimes is worse than most things that are happening outside of me. That's what I meant. It's really awful. Is there anything you know to do to help with the fear? In addition to posting here? It helps me when I know a reason for the intensity of my fear, which is why I said what I said, but maybe that doesn't help you. Not that there isn't something to be afraid of, it's just usually not as bad as I'm fearing it will be. Even if you go back to the hospital, you seem better now and they don't have to do what your psychiatrist recommends. And if they do and you get "better", according to the doctors, then you can still try to get off meds as soon as possible if you don't like the result. Hope that helps. If not, I'm sorry. As always, wishing you the best.

I feel worse than before I went in there but I have been "banned" from discussing certain issues by authorities on this forum so as pressing as those issues are I am refraining from speaking of them because apparently although other posters are allowed to discuss them I am not.