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Old Sep 03, 2017, 11:06 AM
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My T has actually the same arrangement - sessions run back-to-back and the session starts exactly on time and ends exactly on time. I've been angry about it, I've ranted about it. I've accused him for not giving me enough time necessary for me to open up.
The arrangement is based on the needs of the therapist, not the client. They are making human suffering into a commodity. It's like an assembly line. It's exploitation. If OP is angry and upset about this, that's completely justified.

A longer session might help some people. But that is beside the point. You can't make emotional needs conform to a schedule.
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Old Sep 03, 2017, 06:12 PM
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How did I know? The major issue with borderlines is a fear of abandonment.

From what the other folks said, you might need to try another therapist. But keep in mind that borderlines do tend to jump from therapist to therapist, because they easily get upset.

I wouldn't tell your therapist what folks here said. My opinion, anyway.
I think maybe try another therapist too. I maybe have borderline traits but I stuck with a therapist for too long who was both mean and exploitive

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Old Sep 04, 2017, 05:28 AM
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The arrangement is based on the needs of the therapist, not the client. They are making human suffering into a commodity. It's like an assembly line. It's exploitation. If OP is angry and upset about this, that's completely justified.

A longer session might help some people. But that is beside the point. You can't make emotional needs conform to a schedule.
That's true that this arrangement is based on the therapist needs. It's obvious that therapist also has some needs that need to be satisfied in order for him to be able to function as a therapist.

My therapist has adopted this arrangement. This allows him to see a certain number of patients per day and this consequently allows him to have the range of fees he has. If he would be more flexible with his schedule then he would be able to accommodate less patients into his days and thus the fee per sessions would be higher. Perhaps then I would not be able to afford it.

The other aspect is that people go to therapy precisely because they are suffering. No therapist can take away this suffering. You can try to argue that such an arrangement (or whatever therapy component) creates even more suffering but the fact is that the suffering was already there and therapy hasn't created it. No matter what the therapist does he just can't magically take away this suffering and this is not even the purpose of therapy.

The next thing is that of course OP's feelings are justified. Feelings are always justified. They do not necessarily reflect the reality but it doesn't make them less justified. It might be worth to try to distinguish between feelings and reality, if possible.

I agree that you can't make emotional needs conform to a schedule. But that's beside the point. It isn't that therapy or therapists somehow expect your emotional needs to conform to a schedule. Therapy gives you a possibility to work with your emotional needs and it's just a plain reality that therapy with a therapist can happen only during the agreed session times. It's a reality that we as adult just can't go back to the time when we were babies and when we could have literally expect that someone will take care of us all the time. It's just impossible, no matter how much you would want it. If you find this truth too hard to tolerate then perhaps therapy is not for you, at least not now. If you think you might be able to tolerate the constraints set by the reality then therapy can help you to make tremendous changes in your life.
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Old Sep 04, 2017, 04:45 PM
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You can try to argue that such an arrangement (or whatever therapy component) creates even more suffering but the fact is that the suffering was already there and therapy hasn't created it.
Try saying that to the many people who have been traumatized or abused or exploited by therapists. See how that goes. In my experience and observation, what therapy does primarily is create suffering.

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Therapy gives you a possibility to work with your emotional needs and it's just a plain reality that therapy with a therapist can happen only during the agreed session times.
But that "reality" is completey aribitrary. If the basic arrangement (short, fixed time blocks packed close together) is inherently unhealthy, then the sensible approach is to avoid it, unless one takes the position that it's compulsory.

Seems to me OP is finding this set up to be distressing.
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Old Sep 05, 2017, 03:46 AM
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Try saying that to the many people who have been traumatized or abused or exploited by therapists. See how that goes. In my experience and observation, what therapy does primarily is create suffering.
So you claim that people who are going to therapy are not suffering already? That the reason they go to therapy in the first place is something else than suffering?

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But that "reality" is completey aribitrary.
Sure, in some sense it is completely arbitrary but things have to be organised in some way. You could say that the organisation of classes at school or in universities or whatever else is completely arbitrary. So what? Things have to be organised in some way anyway and people organise them according to their best judgement and knowledge. You may personally like some other kind of organisation better and then it is your choice to do things better yourself. Complaining that everything is bad while doing nothing yourself is hardly constructive.

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If the basic arrangement (short, fixed time blocks packed close together) is inherently unhealthy, then the sensible approach is to avoid it, unless one takes the position that it's compulsory.
In most cases psychotherapy isn't compulsory. If you find that this arrangement is unhealthy to you then avoid it. This is your subjective judgement though and not a general objective truth. Some other people (including me) find that the gains obtained outweigh the unpleasantries and thus we continue to pursue therapy and benefit from it. Simple.

Whether the therapy is unhealthy or helping to the OP is something that only OP can decide. The fact that the setting can feel distressing doesn't necessarily make the therapy unhealthy and unhelpful though. Difficult changes and personal growth are hardly pleasant and are often accompanied by considerable distress.
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Old Sep 05, 2017, 11:54 AM
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Thank you I really appreciate that because even my family and partner is questioning my therapist after going seeing my T for over a year now. Few things have improved it's just rescently after therapy I end up really upset and sometimes crying and my partner is tried of picking up the pieces. Because my partner says they deal with it all week but my T just deals with it a hour a week. My partner reckons that my T just listens doesn't remind me "Hey stop talking we need to sit and feel the feelings" my partner told me when one time they came in for a session with me , it seemed that my T wasn't interested in helping me.
Hearing all this upsetted me because I thought maybe I am none thing to my T and just some client not a human being. I'm just some takeaway fires.
My partner is frustrated because he doesn't know how to help me.
He even asked a meeting with my T and keyworker alone but they never fellow up on it accept for the family meeting we had.
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Old Sep 05, 2017, 02:20 PM
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So you feel you are more entitled to therapy because you are young and pretty? You feel that you should get more time than all the other patients? Being a therapist is a job, no matter how much he cares about you. Resenting the fact that he has other patients and that he needs to keep a schedule is counter productive.
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Old Sep 05, 2017, 03:42 PM
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So you feel you are more entitled to therapy because you are young and pretty? You feel that you should get more time than all the other patients? Being a therapist is a job, no matter how much he cares about you. Resenting the fact that he has other patients and that he needs to keep a schedule is counter productive.
I'm just angry that the client after me is ruining my session because my T gets all anxious.
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Old Sep 05, 2017, 04:27 PM
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I would blame the therapist for not being able to handle it -not the client
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Old Sep 06, 2017, 01:54 AM
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It's probably "safer" to be angry with the other client rather than the possibly idealised therapist.
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Old Sep 06, 2017, 02:48 PM
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I would blame the therapist for not being able to handle it -not the client
Of course you would.
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Old Sep 06, 2017, 03:02 PM
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Is the therapist's job to keep themselves focused on the client front of them. It is not a client's job to make sure that a therapist isn't thinking about them while that therapist is having an appointment with someone else. I mean it is really not that hard of a job and one would think this is a relatively low bar of expectation.
So indeed, of course I would blame the therapist if that therapist is failing in that fashion.
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Old Sep 06, 2017, 03:20 PM
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If OP needs more time, but cannot have it, because the next customer needs to be herded in on the hour, that makes it a therapist-centered process. If the therapist becomes discombobulated on top of this, further distressing OP, then yea that is abject therapist failure.

eta: I think it's important to recognize when you're being used.
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Old Sep 06, 2017, 05:48 PM
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Of course you would.
Can you expand on this? I assume you are implying something about bad attitude or character flaw as the basis for stopdog's position, and that there is no valid reason for faulting the therapist if the client feels they are being treated like a piece of meat.
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