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Old Nov 18, 2017, 07:39 PM
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I was reading an interesting article and I thought of this post, The therapist is talking about when she self discloses during therapy:
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Third, I do not share vulnerabilities that are currently raw and unintegrated.

Fourth, I never disclose in order to work through my own “stuff,” or to meet my own narcissistic need for verbal ventilation or personal edification.

Fifth, while I may share my appreciation or be touched by a client's attempt or offer to focus on or soothe my vulnerabilities, I never accept the offer. I gently thank them for their concern, remind them that our work is client-centered, and let them know that I have an outside support network.
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Old Nov 18, 2017, 08:02 PM
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Thank goodness those therapist guys are non-judgmental. Imagine what it would be like if they were.

One good thing is at least the thread is not debating the pros and cons of therapy itself. Good to mix things up a bit.
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 11:25 AM
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I really can't get my head round the hypocrisy of this post. Seriously, it makes no sense to me. You appear to be saying 'no-one should judge your ability to work in your chosen career based on your posts here mona... now excuse me while I openly judge the ability of other members here to work in their chosen careers.'

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this and assume it's accidental, but you should also be aware that some of the things you say appear to be rather specifically and unpleasantly targeting particular members here.


I really don't understand this post. I presume it's directed at me because you specifically mention my name in it but I clearly didn't write the post you quoted.
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 11:33 AM
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I don't believe that your clients are nobody's business in situations when people believe that you might pose a potential danger to their well-being due to your cluelessness about the ethical rules of your profession (because if you condone some of the things your therapist is doing to you, you are clearly clueless about the purpose of ethical rules). Just like it's everybody's business when an alcoholic gets behind the steering wheel and starts driving while drunk. I could have compassion for their problem and help them to overcome it and to get sober, but I won't stay silent when they are in denial of the fact that they have a problem and when their denial puts other people in danger.


My question was not about implying that ethical boundaries are black and white. This was a red herring you introduced to deflect the conversation from exploring how your blindness regarding your own therapy can cause you to become blind about your approach to your work, which can put your own clients in danger.


If you don't see the connection between what's happening in your therapy and your work as a therapist, that doesn't mean there is no connection. When other people see it, they bring it up. They can't, in good consciousness, let it go unnoticed and unaddressed.


Is this not supportive, judgmental? Hell yeah. There is no such thing as unconditional support of anyone under any circumstances. Support will always have its limits. I can support you with all my heart as long as I see that your destructive and harmful "therapy" doesn't affect anyone else. But the minute I believe it potentially puts other people in danger, which I do, my support will end at that point.


You shouldn't be surprised to see the reactions you are seeing here. You are coming to a forum where many people have been harmed by therapists who were confused about professional ethics and who were too caught up in their own personal dramas and all kinds of personal issues to be fit to do the work they were supposed to be doing. When they see you being on the same low level of self-awareness as their therapists were, understandably, it triggers their traumas and, understandably, they react strongly to your story. For them and myself, the fact that you are being abused by your own therapist doesn't absolve you of your responsibility to do your own work ethically and professionally, and, if someone believes that you may not even understand what it means, they become concerned about the well-being of your own clients. It seems to me that you don't understand what professional and ethical work entails, because if you did you wouldn't be condoning your own therapist's actions. As long as you choose to stay willfully ignorant about the connection between your own therapy and your work, you won't get much support from those who have been harmed by the ignorant therapists like you.


This is not inappropriate or bullying at all. What an utter load of tripe from a so called therapist.
As have been stated by me and many people on here I do not condone what my therapist does. I have called her abusive and said she is not perfect.
You can call me ignorant if it makes you feel better bullying, being abusive and projecting into others but as far as I can see you are the only ignorant therapist around here. Now if you insist on being so proactive in taking me down please do so when you have the correct facts in place. I won't tolerate bullying in this insidious way.
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 11:34 AM
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I was reading an interesting article and I thought of this post, The therapist is talking about when she self discloses during therapy:


Thank you for this Jane, very helpful When your t shares too much about their private life.
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 01:15 PM
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This is not inappropriate or bullying at all. What an utter load of tripe from a so called therapist.
As have been stated by me and many people on here I do not condone what my therapist does. I have called her abusive and said she is not perfect.
You can call me ignorant if it makes you feel better bullying, being abusive and projecting into others but as far as I can see you are the only ignorant therapist around here. Now if you insist on being so proactive in taking me down please do so when you have the correct facts in place. I won't tolerate bullying in this insidious way.
Growth right there Mona. I've talked a lot about this with my T's , being on the wavelength of continuing to learn and grow ( which they both do too )This has been an interesting thread with room for people to look at themselves ( if they choose too ) and I'm glad you're still with us on the boards - I will be discussing your contribution to my thread with my T tomorrow , it was very valuable.
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 01:24 PM
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Growth right there Mona. I've talked a lot about this with my T's , being on the wavelength of continuing to learn and grow ( which they both do too )This has been an interesting thread with room for people to look at themselves ( if they choose too ) and I'm glad you're still with us on the boards - I will be discussing your contribution to my thread with my T tomorrow , it was very valuable.


Thank you Out there, I appreciate your feedback and kind words.
I am really learning to tolerate this thread instead of walking away. Where would be the growth in that. I know my t is far from perfect and neither am I but I never claimed either of us where good therapists. I come here as a client in a difficult situation. I stuck in traumatic bond and a reenactment with my t and I get hurt and confused at times and come here for advice from other clients.
I don't look for advice on how to be a therapist because I have had six years of training already and have two really great supervisors whom I take issues to. I have also took my therapist to them and they both advised me to leave like many have you have done here and I don't see that as criticism but as support and kindness. I really appreciate that. I am really becoming more aware of why I am doing this and how this is what people who have experienced trauma do. They repeat the trauma over and over. Good luck with your t tomorrow, I am sure it will be very insightful and I look forward to hearing about it
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 01:29 PM
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Growth right there Mona. I've talked a lot about this with my T's , being on the wavelength of continuing to learn and grow ( which they both do too )This has been an interesting thread with room for people to look at themselves ( if they choose too ) and I'm glad you're still with us on the boards - I will be discussing your contribution to my thread with my T tomorrow , it was very valuable.
I agree! This thread has been a bit like a group therapy session. Maybe a bit triggering to some (in various ways) but exactly why it's been worth the lessons, IMO. I am glad you initiated it, mona.
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 01:40 PM
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I agree! This thread has been a bit like a group therapy session. Maybe a bit triggering to some (in various ways) but exactly why it's been worth the lessons, IMO. I am glad you initiated it, mona.


I think there is growth in every interaction and especially the difficult ones.
I am learning to not get defensive and react but rather to sit with things for a while and see what can I learn from this and is this my stuff or who does it belong to.
Sorry about all of the triggers.
Xynthesia, it is like group therapy, that can be really triggering but very helpful at times
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 02:11 PM
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I really don't understand this post. I presume it's directed at me because you specifically mention my name in it but I clearly didn't write the post you quoted.
I believe that was directed to AttachementEsBueno, rather than you. At least that's how I took that post when I initially read it.
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 02:35 PM
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I really don't understand this post. I presume it's directed at me because you specifically mention my name in it but I clearly didn't write the post you quoted.
It was directed at AttachmentEsBueno, whose post I quoted. I was using your name in an attempt to summarise what I believed them to have said (and they had originally been addressing you).

I was not intending to say anything whatsoever about you in that post, rather I was confused and worried by AEB's attitude.
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 02:36 PM
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It was directed at AttachmentEsBueno, whose post I quoted. I was using your name in an attempt to summarise what I believed them to have said (and they had originally been addressing you).


I was not intending to say anything whatsoever about you in that post, rather I was confused and worried by AEB's attitude.


Oh I now I understand it better, sorry. I was just confused that's all. Thank you for explaining
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Old Nov 20, 2017, 12:25 PM
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mona, I'm glad to hear you are getting something good out of this thread but I need to remind the members who have posted judgementally and harsh posts that this forum is not for that purpose, nor is this site.

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Please keep this in mind while in the psychotherapy forums: https://forums.psychcentral.com/psyc...ment-here.html
Please remember that this site is for peer to peer support. This doesn't include professional to professional support or disagreement. If you wish to get into that end of things, please either join a Social Group or create your own for further professional discussion.

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Old Nov 20, 2017, 04:18 PM
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Hi Mona
I’ve been away from the forum for a while just because life is seemingly busy! I would like to offer my support to you. I know that you’ve had many ups and downs with your current therapist, would I personally continue to use her as my therapist? More than likely not. But here’s the thing... it’s not for me to judge!! This forum is about support, sharing experiences to help other members as they navigate through their own therapeutic experiences. Some of the posts have been supportive and sensitive while others, not so much. I guess it reminds me of a time going back 4 or 5 years ago when this forum almost felt clique-ish! I’m glad it isn’t like that any more. Anyways, I’m here for you whenever you need me. : )
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Old Nov 22, 2017, 01:34 AM
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Hope you may find this helpful Mona - I think the part of polarity expression is very valid.
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Old Nov 23, 2017, 07:48 AM
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Mona, I kinda have a perhaps wacky idea but I think you're already doing it: Seeing her as a therapist you wouldn't want to emulate as you build the courage to leave.

I believe her intermittent reinforcement of occasionally being OK has built a strong trauma bond.

I do wish you'd leave because she's hurting you. However I've no right or desire to judge, especially as I myself still stay with emotionally abusive family.

Hugs to you Mona.
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Old Nov 23, 2017, 11:00 AM
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I know ALOT about manipulative and abusive relationships, ranging from parents to professionals.

What I can guarantee is whatever help you 'think' you got from them....it isn't.
It's twisted and tainted to fit that specific environment and relationship. And it isn't applicable to any other situation.
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Old Nov 23, 2017, 11:19 AM
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MonaLisa- what if you proposed to your t that you end therapy in order to pursue an outside relationship as friends or colleagues?
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Old Nov 23, 2017, 02:08 PM
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What’s the context?

My t shares about her children in a context of me talking about mine. Both of mine and her kids don’t live nearby so she makes comments that she can relate. It helps. When I share excitement about my kid visiting for holidays she makes a comment relating to it. I recently said my daughter might move back to the area and she related that she’d be excited too and she knows how I feel. I find it helpful. I like that she gives me examples of relating to something.

If you have no children why your t even talking about hers? In what context? What’s her agenda? How knowing about her kids is even helpful for you???

So ridiculous. She is not being helpful at all.

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Old Nov 23, 2017, 02:48 PM
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As about crying in therapy.

Mine never did but she got a bit teary eyed in front of me because I was deeply grieving over sudden and tragic death of my son in law. I saw her few days after the funeral. Description of events would be cause sadness in strangers, not just t. So it’s understandable. And was helpful. I am still grieving over a year later.

Saying that I see my t infrequently due to absolute lack of time so my precious time needs to be spend on me, not her. Granted I ask how she is doing and acknowledge holidays but if she started crying about HER life in MY session, it would be a waste of my precious time. Not good at all
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