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Old Dec 17, 2018, 09:30 AM
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I'm not saying it's impossible to make sense of those things and resolve them eventually but according to my experience it takes a wise and knowledgeable T who has the patient to wait it all to roll out.
It certainly is impossible if the client is unwilling to even try. While it may be considered supportive to encourage someone to stay entrenched exactly where they are, I don't find it helpful for others to collude in my avoidance of change.

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Old Dec 17, 2018, 09:34 AM
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It certainly is impossible if the client is unwilling to even try. While it may be considered supportive to encourage someone to stay entrenched exactly where they are, I don't find it helpful for others to collude in my avoidance of change.
I'm sorry but you clearly don't understand the dynamic. Don't you see the OP trying tremendously? I do. To me what you say sounds as invalidating as saying to a person crippled with depression that he does not try enough to think positively.

And who has encouraged anyone to stay exactly where they are?
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Old Dec 17, 2018, 09:35 AM
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My intent is not to be critical of the way you are doing therapy, and I see it as positive that your therapy is allowing you to explore previously difficult emotions. I'm not sure of the value of expressing emotions for the sake of doing it differently, as opposed to expressing emotions in the direction of the way you want to go-- as in, openly and honestly and constructively, like a functional and healthy adult. What you're doing would definitely not work for me.

I think your frustration may lie in refusing to give up the fantasy that he's going to return to responding to your email. I think even if you had asked directly rather than "strongly implied", which may just be a euphemism for "attempt to manipulate", I doubt he would do it. He said he's not going to reply. What is different now that would change his mind, especially over email? Why not address it in session and see if you can come to a different agreement?

In my experience, my heightened or overreacting emotional state has been greatly assisted by going to a session. It seems to me that part of the learning here is to use sessions rather than emails to regulate your emotional response. Why not go to your session and talk about how you can contain your emotions? That seems like a better use of your money rather than skipping and paying for it anyway.
I actually very much appreciate your response as always, Anne. You are the voice of reason. Kind of reminds of those cartoons I used to watch when I was a kid where one of the characters (I’m picturing Tom from Tom & Jerry) have an angel on one of their shoulders and a devil on the other, both giving advice. You are definitely the angel which is nice because in therapy at least for me, the devil cartoon character won’t stop talking!
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Old Dec 17, 2018, 09:49 AM
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I do see myself as more of a devil than an angel but I appreciate your comment. It's kind of making my day.
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Old Dec 17, 2018, 10:37 AM
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I'm not OP but I've experienced the dynamic that she describes (or at least something very similar).

Why not address it in session? Because for some reason it just seems to be impossible. I might go into session with the full intent of addressing it all but then some automatic dynamics just take it over and things go the way they go. At least for me those things are not under conscious control and that's the reason they cannot be addressed cognitively.

I'm not saying it's impossible to make sense of those things and resolve them eventually but according to my experience it takes a wise and knowledgeable T who has the patient to wait it all to roll out. In my opinion the OP and her T are doing great work right now, with optimal pace and I'm pretty sure that one day it all pays off. But the process is what it is, it will be dictated by the OPs unconscious dynamics and the process takes as long as it takes, there's no way to rush it.
I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your validation because it seems like whatever I’m doing shouldn’t be as difficult as it is. Also, this is not the reason I came to therapy, but has ended up being my biggest issue and I don’t understand it and it’s embarrassing to me that it all feels so chaotic. If there was a therapy rule book, I would master it but there isn’t so I’m just floundering. In the rest of my life I can do difficult things and I do them all the time.

Moments ago my T did just send me an email reply and I now feel physically ill. Like I might throw up. I’m an adult. Why do I feel that way? All he said was we should meet on Wednesday and talk about the dynamic between us. Although I technically did not give an ultimatum I now worry that I did manipulate him into responding with my sob story of how he left me alone with my intense emotions, blah, blah, blah, and I feel bad about that.
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Old Dec 17, 2018, 05:34 PM
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Manipulation is underrated, especially when it comes to dealing with therapists. It's good to switch the tables around on them sometimes.
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Old Dec 17, 2018, 05:44 PM
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Moments ago my T did just send me an email reply and I now feel physically ill. Like I might throw up. I’m an adult. Why do I feel that way? All he said was we should meet on Wednesday and talk about the dynamic between us. Although I technically did not give an ultimatum I now worry that I did manipulate him into responding with my sob story of how he left me alone with my intense emotions, blah, blah, blah, and I feel bad about that.[/QUOTE]

I would feel like that because I would have fallen into an emotional flashback- so the strong feeling is a flash back to when it was an issue to annoy or upset or enter into conflict etc etc, not an adult reaction to an email from my t.

Not saying this is what you've done- only what I would perceive I'd done from his response in the context of my history.
Thanks for this!
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Old Dec 17, 2018, 08:47 PM
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I now worry that I did manipulate him into responding with my sob story of how he left me alone with my intense emotions, blah, blah, blah, and I feel bad about that.
FWIW I think your T is perfectly capable of making his own choice to respond as he did. I don't believe people can manipulate other people into making specific choices, even if a person is acting in a non straight fashion. He still gets to decide what he's going to do. I think he struck a fine balance between wanting to demonstrate he heard you but not responding directly to the content.

I hope it gets better for you. I hope you feel empowered to have a conversation about it, as you did when you addressed the skipping session/payment. That seems to suggest you are good at purposefully and thoughtfully addressing what it on your mind with him.
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