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TELL’s reading list includes a 800-page book by Gary Schoener which sounds hard to get, but maybe they can help. Author Susan Penfold is both a practitioner and survivor.
https://www.therapyabuse.org/RS_sugreadings.htm |
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Home - Walk-In My experience with Dr. Schoener: he accepted a ‘cold call’ from me all those years ago and was the person to refer me to a great therapist knowledgeable about therapist exploitation, PrevT. I feel they likely saved my life, at the time. He’s not only an expert on therapist exploitation, he’s a great guy. |
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Another tough book, Ellen Plasil’s Therapist about a very complex exploitation and brave aftermath. Schoener might have recommended it, come to think about it.
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"Folie A Deux: An Experience of One-to-One Therapy" by Rosie Alexander is a tough one to read, at least for me it was. But it was also a page turner.
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Forgive me if it’s been mentioned before but there is a book from 1972 that supports therapist/patient sexual intimacies:
“The Love Treatment” by Martin Shepard ![]() https://www.amazon.com/Love-Treatmen.../dp/0446668265 I bought it once. Gave it away. |
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O. - M. - G. (Just plain O.M.G. was too short.)
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I wonder if anyone has ever written and published a book that talks about emotional abuse in therapy via gaslighting and the devastating consequences it creates. I am not talking about books that criticize therapy as a system. There are some of those available. I am talking about someone describing their personal experience in such therapy and later during the aftermath in the same way people who were sexually abused by therapists told their stories. I don't think there is any such book, even though, I believe, this type of abuse is more common than sexual, financial or any other where the ethical boundaries are obviously broken. I am talking about clients' experiences in which NO formal ethical boundary ever gets broken and yet they create the devastation often similar to more obvious forms of abuse and the clients, who are victims of it, get a much harder time being validated by others, because many people don't even understand what they are talking about since no formal violation can be described or pointed out.
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It's, actually, quite easy to emotionally abuse clients without violating formal ethics. Emotional abuse in therapy settings is often disguised as a therapeutic technique of interpretation, which is a totally fair game from the official legal and ethical standpoint. If a therapist tells you that your anger towards them is a manifestation of your transference and has nothing to do with a therapist's behavior, even though you know damn well that it does, that's gaslighting a.k.a emotional abuse. But a therapist is not going to get in any trouble for this because the licensing board will construe his remarks as a perfectly legitimate therapy technique of interpretation. This is besides the fact that the content of your conversations in sessions cannot be proven, because, even if it can, a therapist is not going to suffer any consequences anyway.
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I've observed wide disagreement about what constitutes emotional abuse. I find Dr. Phil a glib, bullying blowhard. Yet the American Psychological Association gave him an award and made him their keynote convention speaker. I found myself in an Amazon reviewer skirmish over an "ethics" book by a prominent teacher on that subject. The author used composite fictional accounts to illustrate various ethics topics. Yet I found each of the illustrative patients in her stories contemptible, buffoonish and stupider than any human being I've known in real life. My review was answered with scorn and discrediting from this author's fans (presumably ethicists and ethics students), and the author who wailed I didn't understand her. Closer to home, I lost my grievance, which included a psych social worker announcing "something about you makes me want to kick you." The psychologist co-therapist now states on his website that "optimal pain" is necessary for growth. I suppose he supplies it if her feels his clients haven't suffered enough, as when he insisted his ridiculing comments were to "challenge me." I only conclude there is wide disagreement on around the topic of respect and large disparity about just what comprises the means to an end. In my experience though, the client didn't get a vote. |
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An article of interest:
"The Perversion of the Professional Caring Relationship" http://thebowlbycentre.org.uk/wp-con...rial-V1-N3.pdf |
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Thank you!!! |
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Once again, I will stress and underscore the word "formal" when I insist that emotional abuse can and does occur in therapy perfectly within the formal boundaries of what is considered a competent professional care.
When I show examples of how this can occur, we can all agree that the therapist's actions were emotionally abusive, but the issue is that the licensing boards, the professional ethics committees and the professional community as a whole do not see it as abuse. They see it as a therapist doing their job and a client demonstrating their lack of understanding that a therapist is simply doing their job, which, in their view, only confirms a client's mental disturbance, but in no way implies that a therapist did something wrong. So what we see rightfully as abuse is not defined as such by the formal professional standards. |
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Also, I agree that the way education is done currently doesn't help. The courses that they are mandated to take simply intend to refresh their memory on formal ethics and laws, which is something they were supposed to know before they transgressed. This has to change. Instead of explaining to them once again what they studied in the grad school, they need to be explained how their actions affected their clients. Purely punitive actions don't raise consciousness. They don't force therapists to think about clients' well-being any more than they did before, but they do force them to do everything possible to cover their butts, and then the way they practice becomes more about avoiding liability than about clients' well-being. |
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I'm scattershooting here, but I think one reason therapists cross lines is the same reason some people break rules, do drugs and speed in their cars. They're the exception. They can handle it. Yeah, there is that ethics stuff, but it doesn't apply to my situation. I can handle these opioids.
I've known outright thieves, and they're fairly charming people. They're great at justifying and compartmentalizing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've seen some therapists practice over the years who start to create their own worlds, methodology and rules. One of my ex's, the more sensible one, ![]() They build their universes, certain they're doing great things. But they've forgotten the most important part--the recipients of their brilliant techniques. When a client complains the therapists ignore it because they aren't able to dismantle their cloud-castle constructions. And they see themselves as "authorities," with the clients their disciples who don't realize what's best for them. It's difficult to penetrate these stubborn realities. |
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I agree with these last two posts. People who abuse often would be the first to condemn someone else for the very same behaviors; they literally do not "see" their own behaviors the same way. They have deluded themselves into thinking they are different somehow. I don't think that's just a "therapist" thing; I think that's a pretty common abuser thing.
My abuser, when confronted head-on with his own crimes against me, said he had never thought of what he did as abusive. I vividly remember him saying that the very day before he was confronted, he was talking about another individual who had sexually abused a child and was condemning their behavior, never even considering that he was guilty of the same. It simply didn't cross his mind. |
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Some things I would like to know - how many survivors of any type of exploitation have gone on to have therapy they saw as useful. I'd like to read more first person narratives by the therapists. I want to know if the period I had of relative strength for a year, then a complete crash based on a stressor is within the experience of other individuals. I'd like to see numbers on how many people filed complaints, how those complaints were settled, if people's lives were helped by filing complaints. I'd like to see more about the issues specific to GLBT ( forgive me, not meaning to leave anyone out) and therapy abuse. I'd like to know how many people were exploited in sessions vs in outside life.
I could go on and on. |
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Topiary~ Though my experience is outside your perimeters, I'm happy to answer your questions: . My exploitation was bullying by two co-therapists, a male psychologist and a female psychiatric social worker leading group therapy. They became very hostile when I wanted to leave the group and humiliated me in attempt to keep me there. I don't think gender was a factor; sexuality was never discussed in this group. . I felt extremely ashamed and guilty leaving therapy, as miserable as it made me. My first almost-immediate stop was to the therapist who referred me to the psychologist and who was hisf riend. She didn't really help me, but convinced me she did. Her emphasis seemed discouraging me from legal action. (Not a bad therapist, a bad match.) . I made a large move to a new city and job, so put the matter away for several years. . Eventually I went to a new therapist who mentioned I could file a complaint. That was the first "wound opening." I filed a "duty to refer" complaint and lost, but I was glad I did. . Hearing about cults, Jonestown etc, ) reactivated my experience, leading to my blogging. . I've gotten more from blogging, peer support and living than from therapy. Getting older helps. .I'm still learning and understanding. |
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The first experience of abuse with the first therapist was that of gasligting and the therapist's authoritarian style of relating when he is the one who establishes rules and they cannot be changed or discussed. The first 6 months of therapy were actually very helpful. I got a lot of insight on my relationships with others, on my own dynamics. It felt very empowering. I was able to be more assertive with people in a healthy way and to communicate with people more effectively. So, I do give the guy a credit for that. But then the transference and "the relationship" started getting "explored" and from that point on everything went downhill. My old wounds re-surfaced and caused traumatic reactions. He had no idea how to work with that except just reminding me that those are old wounds (thank you very much, that was very helpful). The termination was nasty, ugly and traumatic for me. I was in a state of major clinical depression for another 6 months when I could barely get out of bed to take a shower and to do chores and not every day. I didn't file a complaint because I knew it was pointless. Nothing could've been proven and, even if I could give evidence of what went on, the board would not have necessarily seen it as a violation and that'd have only added to the pain which was already more than I could handle. The other time I was abused by the third and the last therapist I had. That time the formal violation did take place because, eventually, the relationship continued outside of therapy settings. Once again, I would never say that it was only a negative experience. I felt seen by that person like I had never been seen before by anyone and that meant a lot to me. But, that's exactly what makes exploitation so painful to process, it's because it is done by someone who provided you with something essential that you had craved your entire life. Interestingly enough, the first 6 months of therapy, again, were the most helpful (the same happened with the second therapist who was ethical), so I wonder if there is something objectively valid about this first 6 months period that makes therapy in general more or less effective..just a thought.. Anyway, that story came to an end at some point. But that time I did file a complaint and he was disciplined. He didn't lose his license, but was put on probation for several years with the whole list of requirements he had to fulfill in order to retain his license. I am satisfied with the results of the investigation and I can clearly state that I was helped a lot by the process of filing a complaint and by the final result. I was not lucky with subsequent therapy. I've tried to process all this with other therapists, but none of them had any clue of what therapy abuse is and none of them knew how to work with it or had any desire to work with it, so I gave up on therapy all together. |
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Thanks so much for this. I'm realizing how lucky I have been to have found 3 subsequent therapists who have been so supportive and who have really seemed to "get it".
You've had so many traumatic experiences with therapists I would find it surprising if you kept trying. |
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