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Old Jul 09, 2019, 06:20 PM
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I wish their so called profession would do more to acknowledge the real harm that can be done by them and that therapy is not risk free. Some of them talk about it like there are no dangers at all - which is quite reckless in my opinion.
I agree. It is normal and compulsory in the medical field to make possible side effects of medications known, why not non-drug so called "treatments"? My first T has a lot of stuff where he talks about "good therapy" and how therapy is the holy grail for all sorts of problems, but never once mentions the risks and potential adverse effects. I confronted him about this once in session and there he acknowledged that there can be harmful effects, but he would never talk about it openly and honestly. I also very much dislike the whole "safe space" thing, IMO it is a big lie as a generalization. Safe for some, the complete opposite for others.
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Old Jul 09, 2019, 08:04 PM
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I think many of them are unaware of the hazards or are in denial. It's their religion. Thoughts must remain pure. That's what makes it so dangerous.
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Old Jul 09, 2019, 09:04 PM
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I think the con is one's credibility I mean if there aren't witnesses. Its your word against a therapist or any mental health professional. When I was in my late 20s I went a therapists office. It was in his house. I 've been to other therapists in their homes. However their offices were in a separate place used only for professional therapy sessions. This time in this man's place it was a basement. A secluded basement. To get to the point he stripped down to his birthday suit. He proceeded to throw me on the coach and raped me. I never told anybody since I figured nobody would believe me because I was his patient. ie no credibility. i'm in no way telling anybody what to think. Only telling what feels true to me. HD79, everyone hugs!!!
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I think the con is one's credibility I mean if there aren't witnesses. Its your word against a therapist or any mental health professional. When I was in my late 20s I went a therapists office. It was in his house. I 've been to other therapists in their homes. However their offices were in a separate place used only for professional therapy sessions. This time in this man's place it was a basement. A secluded basement. To get to the point he stripped down to his birthday suit. He proceeded to throw me on the coach and raped me. I never told anybody since I figured nobody would believe me because I was his patient. ie no credibility. i'm in no way telling anybody what to think. Only telling what feels true to me. HD79, everyone hugs!!!
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Old Jul 10, 2019, 10:57 AM
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I think many of them are unaware of the hazards or are in denial. It's their religion. Thoughts must remain pure. That's what makes it so dangerous.
I think denial has a lot to do with it. AND what seems to me to be the fact that despite intellectual knowledge of that concept people, including therapists, don't know what they don't know, can't see what they can't see, what they/we are blind to.

I went into therapy with a set of blinders, I think, and some limited, restricted interpersonal patterns that therapists fed into to get their egos stroked, and to collect their exorbitant fees. I didn't see it, perhaps the therapists didn't see it.

Therapy IS their religion, to many I have seen, and became mine, too. Ugh.

Rather than anything which helped me become more aware of those dysfunctional, restricted patterns, however, therapy exploited and used them It's hard for me to say the therapists exploited me because I think some, maybe most, didn't see it -- they were practicing the rituals and methods of their religion -- who knew? They apparently couldn't see beyond that.

In order for therapists, or the society at large, to see the danger and ruination this can cause in people's lives they would have to be able to listen and hear what those of us who have managed to escape can tell them. But they won't, they don't, they can't? It conflicts with their self- and/or professional image of "helping" people.
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Old Jul 10, 2019, 12:27 PM
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My therapist's defense amounted to performed mind reading: that I was unable to distinguish between actual events and residual parental conflicts.

I assume the grievance board accepted that, since I lost my complaint. He was the "authority" and I was the "patient," and he spoke for me. I was an unmedicated, homeowner with an executive job, but I was pathologized because I had a the temerity to complain against a psychologist. I also forfeited my privacy because the grievance was on public record. Rather my therapist's fictional representation of my therapy was on public record.
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Old Jul 13, 2019, 01:35 PM
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Just trying to find some information on these Therapist, Counselor, Ethics and the Laws. wow this stuff is complicated for sure.
What do we have:
Professional Ethics
Personal Ethics in addition to above
State Professional Ethics and Laws
Federal Professional Ethics and Laws
wowow...My OWN Ethics and or boundaries....or feeling violated in one way or another by what T is doing.

Keeping in mind that this is 2019 not the 60's or 70's where Transnational Analysis and other loving therapies were predominate. Remember those bumper stickers? "Have you Hugged YOUR _______ today?"
Mostly I have found there is not hugging or touching or personal revelations from therapist these days. It seems rules should be established on first intake appointment and reviewed on second intake after the client has time to review and think without rushing the acceptance and understanding of these rules.

There must be a statement in writing from All Pro's T or SW or Counselors about no sexual, physical or emotional aggression from Therapist or Client. With understanding that client may have stuff of a sexual or emotional nature at the feeling and thought level and this should be discussed with T so those things can be worked through....If T cannot or will not adhere to these rules and also discuss with client as needed then termination of the T I believe is needed. However a intervention with anther more experienced T and session of three could happen if it was needed and ONLY if Client wanted that. Clients feelings and needs should always come first in my opinion. Revelation here is...I am only a client, never a professional. I've had several T's in my lifetime and I think none abusive or aggressively over the line. General boundaries were discussed before had both in individual and group sessions.

Anyone know of articles of Ethic, Personal, Lawful, Rules, Regulations and Boundaries of Therapist, Counselors etc.?
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Old Jul 14, 2019, 12:13 PM
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Hello fellow survivors,

I want to thank everyone for sharing so much about your own experiences and insights about this matter! I am so heartbroken to see so much of this around. It sickens me to think that the healthcare system is designed to protect the professionals and maintain public facade of do no harm. Even with all the research and statistics surrounding this particular problem, nothing seems to change!

I have decided that I may begin a complaint process for my own traumas. Before doing so, I am requesting EVERY health record written about me in order to see how they've covered up their abuse. First I will be requesting amendments / addendums for anything that is false / malicious / improperly recorded. After I know what they are and are not willing to change, I can get a better idea of what their defense is, then I can go about writing specific complaints.

I will keep everyone up to date on what happens. I am sure there will be some useful insight that comes from all of this. Here's to hoping that someone will be held accountable (though I know deep down that this is very unlikely).

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Old Jul 14, 2019, 03:49 PM
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I would always try to settle conflict / dissatisfaction directly with anyone first, before I complain to a third party. The thing with that T though was that he could not take criticism and became extremely defensive, threw it back to me with some twisted interpretation, just not receptive and was unwilling to discuss and take responsibility. At the same time, he encouraged me to go to session and tell him my concerns as a form of treatment, to express my anger. But what for if the concerns are not received really, I generally don't have issues with anger and don't tend to bottle it up, am pretty direct. It made no sense to me and I found it useless to pay a T high $ to just fight with him. So I just left.

In my case, it had nothing to do with my boundaries or needing/expecting unrealistic things from him. It started out with his sloppiness: he was repeatedly unable to correctly fill out his portion on my insurance claim forms, always made mistakes and I had to redo the forms multiple times and got very upset when I complained. He also tried to impose authority that he never earned and often talked to me as though I was a kid or something. And told me very inappropriate things several times. He was also a complete mess with his own boundaries. The guy is just plain insecure and incompetent, IMO. What is there to talk about, really, don't see how that would have served me well. He was also pretty useless for me as a therapist and actually would have made some of my issues worse if I listened to him. He also refused to respond to my requests for his therapy notes repeatedly - I am almost sure because he did not keep proper ones. Would fit with his overall sloppiness and unprofessionalism.

I tried to post reviews on my experience online but he managed to have them removed, together with other negative reviews I had seen. I am sure any complains would have been unsuccessful and mostly just would have cultivated resentments dealing with it. He does a lot of social media and I have seen him many times just removing critical posts, much like the reviews and his inability to face challenge in person.
Sounds like you did best thing for this situation and T for sure. I hope all has worked out now with new T experiences etc.

I did a quick exit with one T the used many different disciplines and was interesting to say the least. She had a problem with my smoking and seemed it would get on my clothes and she could smell it. I was instructed to quit smoking all together or take a shower, put clean clothes on and do not smoke till after the session and I was back in my car...oh and to make sure I drove with the windows open when going to sessions since the car would have smoke debris in it and transfer to my clothing. I called her the before the next session and quit since I felt I could not actually adhere to her rules on my pretense and air quality when I was present. She called back and absolutely insisted I come in and talk it out. At that time I was addicted to smoking, bad habit but true for me at the time. She did do the insurance claim paperwork and sent it to me as she should. It took a couple years for me to try another T but that turned out very well for me.
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NHS England >> How do I feedback or make a complaint about an NHS service?
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" He spoke for me" is such a poignant sentence, because his job was to help you find your voice. This makes me so sad, and I am sorry.


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My therapist's defense amounted to performed mind reading: that I was unable to distinguish between actual events and residual parental conflicts.

I assume the grievance board accepted that, since I lost my complaint. He was the "authority" and I was the "patient," and he spoke for me. I was an unmedicated, homeowner with an executive job, but I was pathologized because I had a the temerity to complain against a psychologist. I also forfeited my privacy because the grievance was on public record. Rather my therapist's fictional representation of my therapy was on public record.
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This is very brave. While I do believe there are some sincere T's working in the trenches as a calling, there are many who have a degree of cynicism and are corrupted by their own power in a small space with no oversight. This is crazy dangerous for a vulnerable patient.


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Hello fellow survivors,

I want to thank everyone for sharing so much about your own experiences and insights about this matter! I am so heartbroken to see so much of this around. It sickens me to think that the healthcare system is designed to protect the professionals and maintain public facade of do no harm. Even with all the research and statistics surrounding this particular problem, nothing seems to change!

I have decided that I may begin a complaint process for my own traumas. Before doing so, I am requesting EVERY health record written about me in order to see how they've covered up their abuse. First I will be requesting amendments / addendums for anything that is false / malicious / improperly recorded. After I know what they are and are not willing to change, I can get a better idea of what their defense is, then I can go about writing specific complaints.

I will keep everyone up to date on what happens. I am sure there will be some useful insight that comes from all of this. Here's to hoping that someone will be held accountable (though I know deep down that this is very unlikely).

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Old Jul 15, 2019, 08:42 AM
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I think inappropriate sexual advances are a main area where reporting can be and is more often successful in reprimanding the T or taking away their license. Because it can be so clear, specific and explicit and often happen outside of the secrecy of sessions. Easier to accumulate evidence and it is wrong regardless of the client's mental state. I am always sort of amazed that Ts can do those things, knowing full well that their profession is at stake. Just shows that their mental health is not intact, that they get so out of control and take such obvious risks. I am glad that you benefitted from reporting the T.

Other types of more subtle manipulations and violations can be much harder to prove and defended by the the therapist. Easier to put it down to the client's issues.

I think I could have reported my first T because he demonstrated most of the inappropriate and unprofessional things in outside of session email and text communications. But it would have been a lot of work to compile it to make it meaningful. Also, when I decided to quit, I deleted all of our emails on an impulse because I was so fed up and wanted nothing to do with him anymore.
Well, her advances towards me were apparently obvious to everyone but me. There was a **** ton of gaslightingg on her part to so that was extremely difficult. It's so odd to say that I'm 'lucky' to have all these text but it's true, I am. I feel awful for people who have had to deal with the more subtle types of abuse that are equally damaging.
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My therapist's defense amounted to performed mind reading: that I was unable to distinguish between actual events and residual parental conflicts.

I assume the grievance board accepted that, since I lost my complaint. He was the "authority" and I was the "patient," and he spoke for me. I was an unmedicated, homeowner with an executive job, but I was pathologized because I had a the temerity to complain against a psychologist. I also forfeited my privacy because the grievance was on public record. Rather my therapist's fictional representation of my therapy was on public record.
It's really scary how they pathologize you isn't it? This is happening to me right now with my former therapist.
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Old Jul 21, 2019, 01:57 PM
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It's really scary how they pathologize you isn't it? This is happening to me right now with my former therapist.
It is so scary! And to think how easily it can be done. To pathologize a survivor in order to get away with abuse. It is well known that abusers (in general) with something to hide, will utilize classic smear campaigns; destruction of survivor credibility is paramount to an abusers success rate. How can this NOT be taken into account when ethics / policy and legislation are written around healthcare? It is mind boggling.

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What are the pros and cons of making formal complaints?

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I had a T for a couple of months who had bizarre boundaries. Under a guise of 'equality' he began telling me about his mother... It definitely felt off - Anyway, I was concerned for future patients he might have and I think if there are grounds for formal complaint then at least one pro is protecting others. However, I imagine that filing a formal complaint means disclosing some sensitive info of your own and not everyone is able / ready for that. This is all pretty speculative - hopefully someone is better informed about this!
I hope that you turn in the therapist!
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What do you do when a T emails you 7 months after an unethical termination in order to make himself feel better ? It wasn't for my benefit. Jeez , these people.
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What did he say? Did he invite a response or just try to shove something at you? Is he still practicing? If he is, or perhaps even if he isn't, I think if it were me I would send one. They may not be able to hear but that's not our responsibility. They need to start taking into account and dealing with the damage they do and all we can do is to try to get our message out there. (Oops, no pun intended.)
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Tried to blame me for my own termination ( just like his boss did ) so just shoving it at me. He did get a response , but not the one I originally drafted. I think he's probably got the rather blunt message I sent. We can play the psychological game just as well as they can sometimes. And yes , he's still practising ( needs a lot more practice IMHO )
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The pro for me was preventing my former t from sexually abusing other vulnerable clients

Another pro was standing up for myself in the face of ongoing abuse. Knowing my worth. Feeling justifiably angry

Being validated in that the board deemed my therapy abusive and revoked his license to practice permanently.

Being financially compensated which provided the funds I needed for subsequent treatment that lasted almost 5 years .


The cons were being investigated very thoroughly...in interviews as well as them taking my computer hard drive. Also the fear of possible litigation and having to testify in court

Another con was the intense confusion and contradictory emotions following my report

The biggest con was never getting closure, never knowing the truth, the why

His wife divorcing him and taking their small children

The fact that he is still living life and seems happy ... while I am the one suffering and sorting the immense damage he caused me.
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What do you do when a T emails you 7 months after an unethical termination in order to make himself feel better ?
did he randomly just email you out of the blue?? or was it in response to a prior communication you had made to him (i assume from 7 months ago)?
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Just out of the blue. They should know better than to do this. I'm not here to make him feel better , or be his T. He knows things are wrong deep down and it's gnawing away at him I think. It's not like T's are immune to trauma bonding either , and that's the root of the problem from what I can see. I did send him a nice email back then , which he did not respond to , so FFS don't do it now.
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What do you do when a T emails you 7 months after an unethical termination in order to make himself feel better ? It wasn't for my benefit. Jeez , these people.
My first T did that, more than once. I made the mistake of engaging with him and even went back to have a couple more sessions a year after our original termination, mostly out of curiosity (I did not get why he was chasing me so much). I regretted going back and definitely would not do it again. It just created frustrations I did not have otherwise and a series of ugly fights that had no relevance to my life. Maybe the only "good" thing in it was that I really got to see more of the real him and it convinced me that the weird conflicts we had were due to his insecurities and sloppiness primarily, and that he tried to project those onto me without being receptive to any feedback.

In my case, I think the T contacted me and insisted because I exposed some serious sore spots in him and he probably felt very uncomfortable with that memory. I imagine that's why he tried to project and turn it all back to me, hoping that I would buy into that game and that the crap was coming from my distortions and transference. That surely might have given some relief to someone like him. But it did not work. He did not want to let me go even after the second ugly round though - that only demonstrates, to me, that he has serious issues controlling his own feelings. I have never had a similar experience with anyone else in my life before/after - just another proof that it wasn't my "repetition compulsion" at all. I could very easily see how he would be able to manipulate someone less skeptical and more agreeable and/or fearful. It was kinda fascinating and often almost unbelievable the, the sort of things that T did, in a creepy way of course.

I sometimes still check out the Ts online activity (lots of social media) out of curiosity and I can see he has not changed a bit and keeps repeating the same things over and over, truly like a broken record. If anything, he has only gotten weirder.
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It is fascinating and unbelievable in a creepy way , but having some insight into it helps , I think. Still , very unprofessional and should have gone straight to supervision and/or his own therapy instead of ending up in my inbox. Regular T was not impressed with this either , totally agreed with me that therapists should know better.
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