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Old Jul 06, 2019, 02:26 AM
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I have spent hours in my art room and all I have is a drawing of a house and some chickens that looked like a 10 year old did them. I can hear my T asking what I think they meant to me at present they look like a house and a couple chickens.
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 04:00 AM
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I loathe it when the students ask if I can scan in the textbook for them because they-ordered-theirs-but-Amazon-won’t-deliver-till-next-week-even-though-they-chose-expedited-shipping.

That is too bad. I do not have time to scan in textbook chapters. Nor am I paid to do it. Figure it out yourselves, kids. Learn how to adult.
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 04:50 AM
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I'm wide-freaking-awake. Another night that I have woke up in the middle of the night and can't go back to sleep. Currently my plumbing is irritating the living **** out of me. The sinks keep backing up and I think we'll have to replace one of the pipes below our kitchen sink. Our landlord would charge us to replace anything even though this house is ancient.
I'm going to go do one of those painting and cocktails things this afternoon with a friend and her daughters. No drinking since I'll be driving but a few hours away from everything will be nice.
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 07:01 AM
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I wouldn’t scan the textbook for a student. No way. No how. This isn’t high school. It’s college. Time to be an adult. The professors are not there to look after you. They aren’t your babysitter. Maybe it’s not totally their fault they won’t get the book on time but then it’s up to them to find a solution.

And as for letting people take pictures of my text book if they just didn’t want to buy the book for the class because it’s not their major. I wouldn’t share mine. Maybe I’m stingy. Or rude or a b i t c h, and just a horrible person but if you choose to go to college then you need to accept the expenses that go with it even if the course isn’t part of your major. If my broke *** found a way to buy the book I sure ain’t sharing unless I partnered with someone to split the cost in half with me on the book.
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 08:20 AM
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I want Jersey to be my classroom enforcer.

I wouldn’t share either as a student. If that’s horrible we can be horrible people together.
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 08:26 AM
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I would have shared when I was a student. Copyright concerns aside, I would have let someone photocopy or scan my book. If I had already purchased it, letting them copy it in some fashion wouldn't hurt me any. And photocopying/printing isn't (according to my students nor was it when I was in school) cheap.
It would be better to share purchasing responsibilities (I buy book X and you buy book Y) but even without that, I would have shared and only balked if the sharee wouldn't share something equally non-harmful to them with me if there was something I wanted shared.
I would not, as the prof, scan etc for the student. For several reasons.
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 08:42 AM
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For some reason students don’t want to share books. I often suggest it when the textbook is expensive.

As for sharing, to each their own. But the real problem is these are online courses where it is difficult for students to share or use a book on reserve. So the onus falls on the individual student.
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 08:58 AM
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I want Jersey to be my classroom enforcer.

I wouldn’t share either as a student. If that’s horrible we can be horrible people together.
I accept the position! We start fall semester!
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 09:00 AM
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When I was a student, there was a robust business in used books and I usually got used books. I don't know if it is still that way or not. I am also not at the forefront of online courses - which I think (you kids get off my lawn) are not ideal. I still believe there is benefit to people all being in the same place at the same time, in person, and so forth except in extreme cases of someone being trapped in Alaska or in a hospital or something. Particularly for undergrads in their late teens/early twenties. But really for anyone.

I think my students share books or at least share them in terms of scanning. I have seen them take pictures of chapters.
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 09:04 AM
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Why wouldn't you let someone scan the book? It probably wouldn't occur to me to tell them no unless it was inconveniencing me somehow. And even then I would probably be amenable to letting them do it at some point when it didn't put me out.
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 09:07 AM
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When I was a student, there was a robust business in used books and I usually got used books. I don't know if it is still that way or not. I am also not at the forefront of online courses - which I think (you kids get off my lawn) are not ideal. I still believe there is benefit to people all being in the same place at the same time, in person, and so forth except in extreme cases of someone being trapped in Alaska or in a hospital or something. Particularly for undergrads in their late teens/early twenties. But really for anyone.
Yes. For a teen straight out of high school, it probably would benefit them more to physically be in class their first 1 or 2 semesters. It would give them a few months or so to transition out of high school mode.
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 09:10 AM
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Why wouldn't you let someone scan the book? It probably wouldn't occur to me to tell them no unless it was inconveniencing me somehow. And even then I would probably be amenable to letting them do it at some point when it didn't put me out.
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I think your probably just a nice person. I don’t know. I’m stingy. I also had to fend for myself at a very young age. I worked everyday from when I was 12 years old. That’s how I got the things I needed and wanted. You would think that would help me take pity on people but really I’m just quite stingy with my stuff.
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 09:13 AM
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Why wouldn't you let someone scan the book? It probably wouldn't occur to me to tell them no unless it was inconveniencing me somehow. And even then I would probably be amenable to letting them do it at some point when it didn't put me out.
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These days it would be more me hanging around twiddling my thumbs while they took pictures of the book pages with their phone. To me that is an unacceptable opportunity cost (speaking economically).

And I don’t like loaning expensive things to people I don’t know well. There are still used books, but our bookstore charges almost as much for them as a new book.

Agreed on online courses. But my school needs them to survive.

The one exception I would make for a student in an online course who couldn’t get the book on time is if they were stationed on a military base abroad.
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 09:51 AM
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When I was a student, there was a robust business in used books and I usually got used books. I don't know if it is still that way or not. I am also not at the forefront of online courses - which I think (you kids get off my lawn) are not ideal. I still believe there is benefit to people all being in the same place at the same time, in person, and so forth except in extreme cases of someone being trapped in Alaska or in a hospital or something. Particularly for undergrads in their late teens/early twenties. But really for anyone.

I think my students share books or at least share them in terms of scanning. I have seen them take pictures of chapters.
My son and his friends who are all music majors share their books a great deal. Books are expensive, and often almost a waste of money as they are sometimes required to buy books only to find out later they barely use them. So, they share when they can just to help each other out. College is ridiculously expensive anymore.

As an instructor, if I had a student who could show me the book was ordered and on its way, I might allow them to scan a chapter of the book if needed while they wait, but I'd make them do the scanning.

As far as online courses go, much depends on the student and the circumstances. My son has had to take several online courses because, as a music major, scheduling can be a nightmare. He may only have 14 hours on his schedule, but in reality, he has 9 or 10 courses (lots of 1 or 2 hour credits), not to mention non-credit hour requirements. So, online is often the only way he can get it all in and hope to graduate on schedule. Additionally, many students have already had online course or hybrid online course experience even in high school (I teach one myself), so those students are pretty well-equipped to deal with the organization needed for success in an online college course, particularly in basics where they may be really strong students in certain subjects to start with. My son has found his college core courses MUCH easier than his high school AP courses, so online has worked well.
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 10:04 AM
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When I was a student, there was a robust business in used books and I usually got used books. I don't know if it is still that way or not. I am also not at the forefront of online courses - which I think (you kids get off my lawn) are not ideal. I still believe there is benefit to people all being in the same place at the same time, in person, and so forth except in extreme cases of someone being trapped in Alaska or in a hospital or something. Particularly for undergrads in their late teens/early twenties. But really for anyone.

I think my students share books or at least share them in terms of scanning. I have seen them take pictures of chapters.

I really enjoyed being back in the classroom when I took the Psych Stats course. But as far as the rest of them being online, if I want to take them at all, I don't have a whole lot of choice there because of work. I can't change my schedule at work to be able to take an in-person class that's in the middle of the day, which many of them that I need for Psychology are. I got lucky that the Stats one was an evening class. Maybe if I were taking classes at the University instead of the Community College, there would be more options. I'm at the Community College right now because my tuition is half price there cuz I'm over 55. And I just don't have the option of not working at all and going to school full time. Part of me would love to be able to do that though!
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 10:04 AM
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The loaning expensive things bit is probably similar to the reason students don’t want to share books. Heck, my kids took a math class together, and the teacher chose an older affordable edition of the math book, so I bought two. I didn’t want to deal with them trying to use it at the same time, or one of them losing it turning into the other kid’s problem. (As it turned out, they collaborated anyway, and decided one was a home copy and one was the book they took to class with them, so it would never get lost.)
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 10:09 AM
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As far as online courses go, much depends on the student and the circumstances. My son has had to take several online courses because, as a music major, scheduling can be a nightmare. He may only have 14 hours on his schedule, but in reality, he has 9 or 10 courses (lots of 1 or 2 hour credits), not to mention non-credit hour requirements. So, online is often the only way he can get it all in and hope to graduate on schedule. Additionally, many students have already had online course or hybrid online course experience even in high school (I teach one myself), so those students are pretty well-equipped to deal with the organization needed for success in an online college course, particularly in basics where they may be really strong students in certain subjects to start with. My son has found his college core courses MUCH easier than his high school AP courses, so online has worked well.

I was a music major as well (music ed but my interest was in early music) (I had a double major with English and minored in latin but I was a complete band nerd) and had AP-ed out of several core courses. I still think that online classes are not good for most undergrads regardless of their major (nor grads either really). I realize it is the way things are going - but I do not believe it is a good thing. For a lot of reasons I think it is a bad trend - the organization part is just one part of it in my opinion.
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 11:18 AM
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I lent a text book to someone. It took me almost a year and a half to get it back and that's after I started bringing it up EVERY time I saw them. (we're not in the same year.) I was going to give up on it it cost maybe £8 but it was the principal- I sent a sarky message then they finally gave it to a guy whose in my group to give back to me.

I wouldn't do the same now. Same with school folders (someone was actually irritated by me asking for MY folder back as I obviously didn't need it anymore).
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I am making a sous vide ice cream base for peach ice cream and am smoking a batch of chicken wings in a rotisserie basket and smoking a different batch on my weber using a different technique in preparation for a gathering to watch the world cup match tomorrow. I am in cooking experiment heaven.
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H just advised me that he has been having kidney-area pain for the past 3 weeks. Um, why didn't you say something before now and even MORE why the hell haven't you called the doctor?! "Because I don't have a fever." I can't help but wonder if part of it isn't caused by the fact that he is rarely upright and moving, unless he is walking to his car to do a long-distance drive somewhere, walking in/out of the delivery, or walking in the house from the car. Otherwise he is laying on the sofa or sitting at his computer. And his diet has gone to **** again, he's eating everything he's not supposed to and has gained back 30 lbs that he had lost and is likely back in the diabetic range after getting back to pre-diabetic after he lost weight. I really don't know what is going on with him.
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Old Jul 06, 2019, 11:32 AM
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I usually wait a month or 6 before I consider contacting any health professional unless a great deal of blood is rushing out of me or a limb is hanging at an unnatural angle.
Most things seem to clear up on their own. It took me over 6 mos to go to the acupuncture/chiropractor when my left arm was going numb - I was unsure if it was a heart attack or a pinched nerve. I don't like/have a great fear of over-reacting to physical things.
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Kidney area could be gallbladder area, if its the right (i.e., not left) kidney area. Losing that much weight then gaining it back could cause gallstones. I wish i had a nickel for every time i diagnosed gallstones here! is there gurgling? I massage mine until i hear gurgling, then i feel better.
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Hugs, Art. Men tend to put off going to the doctor. Has he had kidney stones before? Could be that.
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I usually wait a month or 6 before I consider contacting any health professional unless a great deal of blood is rushing out of me or a limb is hanging at an unnatural angle.
Most things seem to clear up on their own. It took me over 6 mos to go to the acupuncture/chiropractor when my left arm was going numb - I was unsure if it was a heart attack or a pinched nerve. I don't like/have a great fear of over-reacting to physical things.
I dont have the results of that session in my records
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H just advised me that he has been having kidney-area pain for the past 3 weeks. Um, why didn't you say something before now and even MORE why the hell haven't you called the doctor?! "Because I don't have a fever." I can't help but wonder if part of it isn't caused by the fact that he is rarely upright and moving, unless he is walking to his car to do a long-distance drive somewhere, walking in/out of the delivery, or walking in the house from the car. Otherwise he is laying on the sofa or sitting at his computer. And his diet has gone to **** again, he's eating everything he's not supposed to and has gained back 30 lbs that he had lost and is likely back in the diabetic range after getting back to pre-diabetic after he lost weight. I really don't know what is going on with him.
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I hope you can make get him checked out today especially with his past history.

Prolonged sitting can be an issue for some stuff especially dvt.

Maybe he's comfort eating because of all the recent changes?
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