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Old Jul 02, 2019, 01:08 PM
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I don't see why you should delete it, NP.
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 01:35 PM
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"The thoughts and the wants are the locks on the back of my brain." that lyric speaks to me today.
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 01:49 PM
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I’m working on revising the next story I plan to send out. Grammar fiends of the Couch, a question: is had passive in English, even without “been”? One of my fellow work shoppers insists it is in his comments, but I just see it as pluperfect if it doesn’t have “been” with it.

“Had marched” is active, “had been marched” is passive to me. Have I spent too much time studying dead inflected languages?
I would ask if the "had" was necessary at all - but I spend a lot of time trying to get students to be direct and concise.
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 01:51 PM
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Passive voice is supposed to be bad writing, since passive verbs tend to be weak verbs.

See, if I say "the army had marched for seven days," the subject is doing the acting. If I say "the army had been marched for seven days by their general," the general is doing the action, so it's passive. But maybe I'm completely off and English has changed.
I don't think passive is bad in and of itself. It is a great technique to deflect and
de-emphasize. I think it is bad when done without purpose.
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 01:57 PM
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Shouldn't it be "the army marched" and "the general marched the army"? I was taught to never use the verb "to be". Always used an active verb.
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 02:00 PM
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I got some good feedback from my instructor this week on my poems, one in particular. I've never really written this way before, so, I don't know, purposefully? In the past my writing has been more from an emotional need than a place of intellectual intent, and I'm doing more editing than usual as well. It's so interesting and I think it is helping me really grow and stretch in my craft.
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 02:12 PM
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Hugs, NP...You don't need to delete that. I'm sorry your H made you feel that way...

And I totally get missing your T...

On a lighter note, I love Nutter Butters, too!
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 02:15 PM
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So my backup T met with me in T's office, which was really weird...but I guess I also felt comfortable there (and knew where the tissues were! Only cried briefly though). She was helpful, gave me new perspective on a few things. And I talked about some stuff with T, too (she's bound to confidentiality because I didn't sign a release, plus she just rents space from him, not a coworker). It's funny, at one point, I was talking about how he seemed so much more accepting and understanding lately about transference and stuff like that. And that it was good, but I was sort of afraid to trust it. She was like, "Maybe he's grown up!"
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 02:25 PM
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I’m working on revising the next story I plan to send out. Grammar fiends of the Couch, a question: is had passive in English, even without “been”? One of my fellow work shoppers insists it is in his comments, but I just see it as pluperfect if it doesn’t have “been” with it.

“Had marched” is active, “had been marched” is passive to me. Have I spent too much time studying dead inflected languages?
Is he getting confused between transitive and intransitive? I do that a lot!! No, you need a "to be" in there for it to be passive. Is he trying to be cute about saying that technically, the troops dont march, but ARE marched?
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 02:28 PM
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Finally got back from my photo shoot with my daughter. She kept trying to eat the grapefruits in the bath tub. I'm hoping the pictures turned out well.
Still mad as heck at H and he keeps trying to rough house with me today. I'm not in the mood to deal with him. I see T in a few hours so that's good.
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 02:28 PM
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They're a sandwich cookie with a peanut butter filling. They're shaped like a peanut shell.
I had some of those last year. I got a misc box of cookies from amazon (dangerous!!!).

I can only keep PB2 (powdered junk) in the house. Sometimes i will get regular pb, and its gone in a couple three days.
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 02:33 PM
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Shouldn't it be "the army marched" and "the general marched the army"? I was taught to never use the verb "to be". Always used an active verb.
Catholic grade school never taught us anything negative about the passive voice. It was on equal par with active. Interesting!
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 02:51 PM
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Never learned that in grade school. College English taught me that. One class I took we had to write 5 papers. Each paper counted for 20% of our grade. The catch, the papers had to be A quality in order for you to get credit. We had peer review, tutors, and could even have a couple reviews by the teacher. That's where I learned no to be verbs. Chemistry, I think, could only be written in third person.
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 02:53 PM
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I called the ask-a-nurse line to determine if I was actually going to bleed to death. She said if I wasn't dizzy I probably don't need to go to urgent care, but she did suggest getting in with a gynecologist soon. Ugh. Just no. I can't deal with that right now. Unless I can keep all my clothes on. How likely is that though?
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 03:04 PM
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They could check some things out with a cat scan - and you can be clothed for that
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 03:11 PM
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Never learned that in grade school. College English taught me that.
Yeah, i meant, i wonder if it was to promote an idealogical stance - its not bad to be passive.

Eta - its so hot and humid. Waaah!
Eta2 - oh, the heat index is 96. Thats why im crying!
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 03:17 PM
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I called the ask-a-nurse line to determine if I was actually going to bleed to death. She said if I wasn't dizzy I probably don't need to go to urgent care, but she did suggest getting in with a gynecologist soon. Ugh. Just no. I can't deal with that right now. Unless I can keep all my clothes on. How likely is that though?

Maybe go to your regular (PCP) doctor and you could just get bloodwork done to check for anemia? Like CBC to check red blood cell count and maybe iron?
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 03:35 PM
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Scarlet and SD are right—had in the pluperfect sense isn’t used in English. Where Latin might say “the soldiers made camp after they had marched twenty miles,” English will take out the “had” and (sloppily) rely on the temporal subordinate clause to indicate action in the further past.

But I maintain had is active unless there is a been.

Anyone up for discussing the future perfect now?

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Old Jul 02, 2019, 03:42 PM
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Stopped at a quilt shop yesterday and got stuff for baby quilts. Got home and realized that I didn’t get charged for one of the things I bought ($3.50) so ran over today to make it right and grab a 1/4 yard of a fabric I picked up and put back umpteen times yesterday and didn’t get... so, yesterday I spent $50... today I go back to pay for the $3.50 I wasn’t charged for and spent $150... the owners got a good laugh out of it and refused to make me pay for the $3.50 item I went back to pay for... guess I am going to have to check my bag before I leave. REALLY wasn’t in the budget but I love making these eye spy quilts for the little ones and quilting helps me relax... so T is encouraging it... and his office is near the quilt shop.
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 03:42 PM
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I called the ask-a-nurse line to determine if I was actually going to bleed to death. She said if I wasn't dizzy I probably don't need to go to urgent care, but she did suggest getting in with a gynecologist soon. Ugh. Just no. I can't deal with that right now. Unless I can keep all my clothes on. How likely is that though?

I think you should go. I’d be very honest with the gyno and explain why you’re so reluctant. I was with mine and she is great about exams.

You don’t strike me as a hypochondriac and the fact that it’s clearly so painful means it needs to be dealt with.
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 03:43 PM
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Scarlet and SD are right— had in the pluperfect sense isn’t used in English. Where Latin might say “the soldiers made camp after they had marched twenty miles,” English will take out the “had” and (sloppily) rely on the temporal subordinate clause to indicate action in the further past.

But I maintain had is active unless there is a been.

Anyone up for discussing the future perfect now?
And this my friends is why English is my only language but I do not claim to be fluent in it!

I did better on research papers though.
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 03:48 PM
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But I maintain had is active unless there is a been.
Anyone up for discussing the future perfect now?
Anyone know where i can get a job diagramming sentences? That would make me happy. Do they teach that in school anymore? Maybe i could tutor in just diagramming.
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 04:08 PM
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The whole had discussion reminded me to write my workshop leader (twice now, again this fall) and tell him about my publications. He didn’t have anything to do with these stories, but what I learned from him was not line edits but how to think about the choices you make in writing.

He’s super hard to get a compliment out of. All business. So I am really tickled that he wrote back and said he was so happy even his cat was smiling.
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Old Jul 02, 2019, 04:11 PM
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I think you should go. I’d be very honest with the gyno and explain why you’re so reluctant. I was with mine and she is great about exams.

You don’t strike me as a hypochondriac and the fact that it’s clearly so painful means it needs to be dealt with.
It was only (extremely) painful for a few hours on Sunday. The problem is I'm having to change things out every 2 hours going on 3 days now using the super plus variety. That's not normal for me and it seems a bit excessive, but I don't really know what is normal for other women. I always thought mine were heavy, but who knows, maybe they were just normal and this is heavy. I will strongly consider making an appointment.
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