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Actually, this was exactly the episode on Law and Order today. The killer was saying his rights were violated when he took a hostage and a defense attorney told him she was A lawyer (not HIS lawyer) and saved the day. As no good deed goes unpunished, they tried to disbar her. But they only put a private yelling in her file.

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Because the guy thought he had attorney client privilege because she was a lawyer? Good that they didn’t disbar her.

Now I want to watch Law and Order. But instead I’m trying (and failing) to understand what kind of data analysis I would run in this hypothetical research study I’m working on for class.

The professor in this week’s lecture was talking about this advanced statistics class we take later on in our program and I got really uncomfortable thinking about it. SD is right. I do not want to become a therapist because I love math. I barely passed statistics in my undergrad program.
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Yeah unfortunately the presence of the hostage nixed that privilege! Note to self:
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Its not that kind of thermometer!

I had my brussels sprouts today
Wooop. The more the merrier.

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Don't forget your mince pies too!

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I think that the telling her she's a good girl likely translates in the tone of your voice. i don't know that cats understand words but i've experimented - i use a particular voice (apparently) when i tell my cats it 's time for treats, and they come running. when h said my voice is different i started saying nonsense words in the same tone and they still come so... i think it's how my voice sounds that they associate with treats.


we have to feed our diabetic cat separate from the other 2 or else he'll just eat their food instead of his, so we close him in the bedroom while he eats and feed the other 2 in the kitchen at the same time. if we put his food in the kitchen too, he'll ignore it and shove one of the other cats out of the way and eat theirs.
Thanks Artie. I'm not sure if it is just because she is skittish, but Amelia doesn't seem to respond to as many cues as I can get Esther to. For example, I can tell Esther "no" and "stay" and "Don't even think about it." And she'll stop. I talk to Esther and tell her she's beautiful and such a good girl and on and on and she'll look at me with those kitty eyes. When I say stuff to Amelia, she'll usually just ignore me, walk away, or lick her paw. About the only thing she responds to partially is "Do you want to eat?" And maybe 3 out of 4 times she will respond to "Get back in the backyard." But that I think is more about my movement, waving my hands, tapping the top of the brick wall, stuff like that. It's amazing how much cats can soak in, they just aren't as interested as dogs in pleasing you so they don't always show it. I'm pretty lucky with Esther because she follows commands like a dog. I can call her name and she will come. Amelia only responds about half the time when I call her name. Esther it's 100%
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Old Jun 03, 2020, 03:43 PM
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I read that cats understand like 3 yr old humans.

You know my friends cat would read 7:00 on the VCR and run to the kitchen for his dinner. It was hilarious. He would wait for the numbers to turn from 6:5x.
Wow that's amazing! Amelia is the only one of my pets that seems to pay attention to the TV. The other two barely seem to notice that it is on but don't seem to notice what is on TV. Amelia appears to watch it.
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Old Jun 03, 2020, 03:44 PM
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Omg that's so smart.

I believe that they do understand too. Belle goes nuts every time the word "cheese" is said. Our local pet store also has fancy cat food that had cheese in it and 80 something % meat.

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Loved the link @Lemoncake that is how Esther was when I brought Amelia home as a kitten. Amelia was all, I want to be friends, I love you, I want to hang out with you. And Esther just glared at her like give me a break.
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Old Jun 03, 2020, 03:47 PM
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LT--about emailing EX-MC. I get it. I emailed former T a couple of days ago and about 11 days before that also, though she hasn't responded. UGH! But she's comforting, and I wanted to know if she is okay through this pandemic and stuff (I really wish she would respond!) but if she copied my T on the email if she were to respond (please respond T!) I would be straight up PO-ed. Not that she has her address. I don't even have Regular T's email address. It seems underhanded to me and it seems like petty and squirrely and just wrong. I'm upset for you!
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Old Jun 03, 2020, 03:48 PM
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I think the temperature taking is ridiculous. Completely stupid.
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Old Jun 03, 2020, 03:53 PM
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LT, that sounds like a really scummy and gross thing that ex-MC did. I don't really like BCCs as a rule since it's usually a way to be sneaky and catch someone else out. Of course, it can be a handy and necessary feature for mass messaging, where you don't want to expose the addresses of all recipients for either privacy purposes or to prevent abuse by spambots... but still.

Honestly, I kind of wonder if Dr. T made the comment he did about you getting it at a specific time as a way of revealing what ex-MC did. He'd be just as scummy as ex-MC, imo, if he had sat there and pretended like the only knowledge he had about the email was what you were telling him.

As for HIPAA, I think there might be a violation there on ex-MC's part even though you did not revoke permission to him specifically. If, as you said, the consent was set to expire a year after it was signed, and that time has passed, then he did not have your consent to share information about you with anybody and he has violated his duty to protect your privacy.
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Old Jun 03, 2020, 03:57 PM
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It seems like therapists are not always consistent about releases. Whenever I have given Liz permission to talk to another practitioner about me, she has wanted me to sign her own form, regardless of whether she is giving or receiving the information and regardless of whether the other party had me sign something. Amy didn't care as long as I signed something somewhere. I think Liz has the right idea in order to avoid misunderstanding, but then I have CYA stickler tendencies too.

That said, Liz and Amy have both been unnecessarily transparent about when they communicate and what they say. The BCC thing seems off to me, regardless of permissions. But then ex-MC was never known for his professionalism...

FWIW, I think it's understandable that you would want to touch base with ex-MC when the world feels like it's on fire. I'm sorry he had to make it weird, but I'm glad his response had felt okay to you, at least initially.
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Old Jun 03, 2020, 03:59 PM
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Actually, this was exactly the episode on Law and Order today. The killer was saying his rights were violated when he took a hostage and a defense attorney told him she was A lawyer (not HIS lawyer) and saved the day. As no good deed goes unpunished, they tried to disbar her. But they only put a private yelling in her file.

Oh, I think I remember that one!
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Old Jun 03, 2020, 04:06 PM
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It seems like therapists are not always consistent about releases. Whenever I have given Liz permission to talk to another practitioner about me, she has wanted me to sign her own form, regardless of whether she is giving or receiving the information and regardless of whether the other party had me sign something. Amy didn't care as long as I signed something somewhere. I think Liz has the right idea in order to avoid misunderstanding, but then I have CYA stickler tendencies too.

That said, Liz and Amy have both been unnecessarily transparent about when they communicate and what they say. The BCC thing seems off to me, regardless of permissions. But then ex-MC was never known for his professionalism...

FWIW, I think it's understandable that you would want to touch base with ex-MC when the world feels like it's on fire. I'm sorry he had to make it weird, but I'm glad his response had felt okay to you, at least initially.

Thanks, EM (and others, for their replies). Dr. T has generally been pretty transparent about his communication with, say, my p-doc and with the one time I officially allowed he and ex-MC to meet. And even when I asked him what he talked about with his consulting group when he brought up the stone thing with him, he seemed pretty open. Ex-T also tended to check with me before she shared stuff with ex-MC or ex-p-doc as well, even though I'd signed releases (and they were all at the same practice). Near the end of seeing ex-MC, I found out from him that he'd been sharing stuff with ex-T at various times, which had bothered me, because neither had really mentioned it. I sort of like to know what my therapists know, if that makes sense.

In a way, I wish I hadn't known about the BCC thing because it sort of taints my feeling OK about his reply. But then, it's better that I know.


Incidentally, Dr. T said he likely wouldn't have replied to my email if he were in ex-MC's place, but he said all T's handle things like that differently. Though he clarified that occasional update emails from a former client are fine.
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My dog does not respond to his own name or any sort of attempts to get his attention by people other than me. This is not due to poor hearing or stupidity. It's all an act. He responds immediately to me and will respond to other people if I'm not present. But if I'm there and even remotely available to him, his attention is solely on me and he's just not interested enough in anybody else to pretend to give them the time of day. He's not unfriendly - when I'm not available, he will dole out affection and attention to others. But in my presence, he feels he's too good for the peasants. My sister says if she tries saying his name long enough, he sometimes will reward her with a contemptuous look from his perch on my lap/stomach/head.

He is a chihuahua and it is my understanding that they are often like this. In addition to the "saucy" expression that is described in the breed standard, mine also often looks rather conceited and self-important. I love it. He has every reason to be conceited because he is perfect.
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My dog does not respond to his own name or any sort of attempts to get his attention by people other than me. This is not due to poor hearing or stupidity. It's all an act. He responds immediately to me and will respond to other people if I'm not present. But if I'm there and even remotely available to him, his attention is solely on me and he's just not interested enough in anybody else to pretend to give them the time of day. He's not unfriendly - when I'm not available, he will dole out affection and attention to others. But in my presence, he feels he's too good for the peasants. My sister says if she tries saying his name long enough, he sometimes will reward her with a contemptuous look from his perch on my lap/stomach/head.

He is a chihuahua and it is my understanding that they are often like this. In addition to the "saucy" expression that is described in the breed standard, mine also often looks rather conceited and self-important. I love it. He has every reason to be conceited because he is perfect.
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My teletherapy session went horribly awry today. I told him to just call me because we have issues every time with Zoom and Doxy. But the call kept getting dropped. It's so upsetting. We're supposed to meet in-person tomorrow, so after about 15 or 20 minutes of losing connection, I told him we can talk tomorrow and started crying. He said he's going to email me some of his thoughts from what little talking we did today, but I'm still feeling pretty low because of this.

And I just bought a brand new cable modem and wifi router. Still nothing works right.
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So, I had a moment of weakness in the midst of despair over the pandemic and riots and stuff and emailed ex-MC Sunday for the first time since September or October. Yes, I know, please try not to attack me for that, I'm fully aware that it was stupid. It was basically a saying I hoped he and his kids were safe and giving an update on how I'm doing right now and that I'd been doing much better before pandemic. And saying how Dr. T was helping me. He replied yesterday afternoon, a cordial and generally supportive reply of like 5 sentences. I was content with it.


Today, Dr. T asked if I wanted to talk about the email with ex-MC (which I'd told him Monday I'd sent). He said, "So, he replied around yesterday afternoon?" Me: "How do you know that? I didn't tell you that." Dr. T: "Oh, apparently he BCCed me on his response." Me: ".........." I said how I'd revoked permission for them to talk back when I'd terminated with ex-MC 2 years ago--though the forms were filled out at Dr. T's office, so possibly ex-MC was unaware? Still, I thought they expired in a year anyway. Note that I checked my email, and it was a BCC, as Dr. T was not shown as a recipient. (We discussed the email briefly, how I was trying to reach out to someone who'd given me comfort in the past.)

After session, I started wondering if ex-MC had copied Dr. T on every email response. So I emailed Dr. T. He wrote back immediately and said it was just this email he'd been BCCed on. I asked if he could let ex-MC know I'd revoked my consent. He emailed a few minutes later, copying me, to tell him that (referring to me as "Mrs. [my last name]," which amused me). Ex-MC wrote back a bit later saying "Thanks for letting me know."

It really bothers me that he copied Dr. T. Maybe he wasn't aware that I'd revoked privilege, but I haven't been his client for 2 years. I guess I just figured it was assumed at that point? Also thought that they permissions were only good for a year anyway techinically. Not sure whether to say anything else, because this could theoretically be complaint-worthy, I'd think (against ex-MC, that is).

Thank you so much for sharing that, LT. As I feel compassion for you in this situation, I'm applying it to myself as well for wanting to contact L. These are different times indeed that we are all living through right now, and we don't have an instruction book you know? We need what we need and stuff, and reaching out for help or connection or whatever when we need it is not weakness.

I'm sorry that ex-MC did the blind CC thing, but I think it's a good thing that current dr t mentioned it, because.... if he hadn't, and you'd somehow found out later down the road, it might have felt like a betrayal or something from both of them instead of just from ex-MC.
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I swear everyone around here has forgotten how to drive over the past ten weeks. Not that they were good at it to start with.

In the center where my gym is a therapist is opening a new office. The practice is called “Cohesive Counseling.” I guess it’s better than Adhesive Counseling?
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OBVIOUSLY its better because its ALLITERATIVE!

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LT, that sounds like a really scummy and gross thing that ex-MC did. I don't really like BCCs as a rule since it's usually a way to be sneaky and catch someone else out. Of course, it can be a handy and necessary feature for mass messaging, where you don't want to expose the addresses of all recipients for either privacy purposes or to prevent abuse by spambots... but still.

Honestly, I kind of wonder if Dr. T made the comment he did about you getting it at a specific time as a way of revealing what ex-MC did. He'd be just as scummy as ex-MC, imo, if he had sat there and pretended like the only knowledge he had about the email was what you were telling him.

As for HIPAA, I think there might be a violation there on ex-MC's part even though you did not revoke permission to him specifically. If, as you said, the consent was set to expire a year after it was signed, and that time has passed, then he did not have your consent to share information about you with anybody and he has violated his duty to protect your privacy.

Thanks, Susannah. That's a really good point that Dr. T may have said that specifically to alert me that he'd heard from ex-MC. Because otherwise, why say, "So it was around yesterday afternoon that you heard from him?" Why not just say, "So, have you heard back?" He may have assumed it was a regular CC, but then when I said, "How do you know that?" he realized it wasn't.


And yeah, I do wonder about the HIPAA thing. I initially wanted to email ex-MC to let him know that I was bothered that he did the BCC thing, but don't know if it's worth it. Because now Dr. T has made it clear that I've revoked their permission to communicate about me, and I think that's all that really matters? Though I suppose part of me wants an apology or explanation. I suspect it may have just been a CYA sort of thing. I mean, possibly, he wanted to make sure Dr. T knew I was struggling, as I mentioned that in the email to him, but still, he could have done so in a more above-board manner...
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My teletherapy session went horribly awry today. I told him to just call me because we have issues every time with Zoom and Doxy. But the call kept getting dropped. It's so upsetting. We're supposed to meet in-person tomorrow, so after about 15 or 20 minutes of losing connection, I told him we can talk tomorrow and started crying. He said he's going to email me some of his thoughts from what little talking we did today, but I'm still feeling pretty low because of this.

And I just bought a brand new cable modem and wifi router. Still nothing works right.

Ugh, I'm sorry...I wonder if he's able to give you some extra time tomorrow to help make up for it? I hope his email helps.
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Thank you so much for sharing that, LT. As I feel compassion for you in this situation, I'm applying it to myself as well for wanting to contact L. These are different times indeed that we are all living through right now, and we don't have an instruction book you know? We need what we need and stuff, and reaching out for help or connection or whatever when we need it is not weakness.

I'm sorry that ex-MC did the blind CC thing, but I think it's a good thing that current dr t mentioned it, because.... if he hadn't, and you'd somehow found out later down the road, it might have felt like a betrayal or something from both of them instead of just from ex-MC.

Thanks, Artie. It makes sense you want to contact L with everything going on, and I think it's totally fine if you do. As I put it to Dr. T today, I mean, there's a pandemic and riots. It's not like I just had a bad day that let me to contact ex-MC. I have been reaching out to more people lately in general.

And that's a good point that it's better I found out about the blind CC thing now. If somehow it came out later, that could have really hurt. And I was relieved that he hadn't done it every time when I'd contacted him. Especially because a couple of those times were when I was upset with Dr. T, so it would have felt like a real betrayal for him to have shown him those emails.
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I hate when I pour my heart out in a text to a friend and then get an emoji back. Like what is that about?!!
With texts I think a lot of people feel like they should answer quickly, but they're not always in a situation where they can give a good thoughtful response, so they just send something quick. Emailing might work better, or maybe set up a time to talk on the phone/video chat.
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