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Old Jul 18, 2020, 01:35 PM
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Eh, I'll stand on the side of science and common decency. I'm fine with whatever that does to my reputation.
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 01:37 PM
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Eh I will stand on the side of not shaming others. I am generally on the side of people get to choose their own level of risk. Shaming others has nothing to do with science or decency in my view.
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 02:02 PM
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 02:09 PM
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I just changed my dog's bandages again - I am getting better at it - he doesn't look quite as much like the english patient when I am finished with his paw now as he was when we first started.
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 03:15 PM
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Thanks, susannah -- I do like this guy, and I don't want to screw it up by being inattentive. I guess I just don't know how to be attentive, what I need to be working on? I get that there are some things that I could communicate that could make J feel like he has to take care of or fix me, and I don't want that to be the dynamic... but I don't want to feel like I'm constantly censoring myself, either. Do I work on not feeling insecure, then? Rather than working on not saying that I feel that way?
To be clear, I would express the same concerns I did regardless of J's gender. I am a woman and I like both women and men, and I would be selective about such disclosures regardless of the gender of my partner. I don't think selectively censoring oneself, if that's what you want to call it, is a negative thing. For example, I would not think it kind, necessary, or appropriate to tell someone I'm in a relationship with if I have an erotic dream about someone else and am bothered by it. I similarly wouldn't be forthcoming about desires to hurt myself, except vaguely when necessary to get help. If I had one of my nightmares about the sexual abuse I experienced as a child, I wouldn't tell them the nitty gritty details.

Honestly, I would work on the insecurity but also be selective about unnecessary disclosures that could strain the relationship - particularly so early on. That's just my opinion, though.
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 03:15 PM
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I just changed my dog's bandages again - I am getting better at it - he doesn't look quite as much like the english patient when I am finished with his paw now as he was when we first started.

When is he going to start reading Herodotus?

(Since he looks like the English patient.)
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 03:17 PM
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A bunch of red ants bit my ankle yesterday and I've never experienced such intense itchiness in my life. And it burns very painfully, especially if I scratch. Kept me up last night. Aloe with lidocaine helps a bit, but still quite uncomfortable.
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 03:23 PM
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Ice it maybe?
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 03:29 PM
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My dad once got bitten pretty badly by mosquitoes and ice helped a lot of that, might be worth a try if you have access to it.
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 03:29 PM
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A bunch of red ants bit my ankle yesterday and I've never experienced such intense itchiness in my life. And it burns very painfully, especially if I scratch. Kept me up last night. Aloe with lidocaine helps a bit, but still quite uncomfortable.
Fire ants? Benadryl might help. I had a run in with some fire ants once and it was quite unpleasant, but it was okay after about a day if I recall.
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 03:30 PM
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My mother has a new cat, a stray she sometimes fed. One day she left her back door propped open since she was gardening. He went inside and found himself a comfy spot on a bed in the sunlight. He’s since refused to leave, doesn’t even want to go outside.

He’s a big (not fat, big like a Maine coon) and handsome red tabby.

She calls him “Mooch.”
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 03:50 PM
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When is he going to start reading Herodotus?

(Since he looks like the English patient.)
He is a Thucydides dog. Although at the moment he is spending his time trying to chew his bandages off.
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 04:04 PM
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He is a Thucydides dog. Although at the moment he is spending his time trying to chew his bandages off.
Speaking of Thucydides he has this famous passage about how the plague at Athens caused the Athenians to revert to their brute human nature.

I’m really looking forward to teaching it in the spring in the Great Plagues course because some of it is so on the mark for today and because it’s so obvious now with covid that some of his examples, like not burying the dead quickly or not having the usual funerals, have nothing to do with human nature and everything to do with typical procedures being overwhelmed.

I will be over here in the corner geeking out. Carry on.
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 04:16 PM
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Speaking of Thucydides he has this famous passage about how the plague at Athens caused the Athenians to revert to their brute human nature.

I’m really looking forward to teaching it in the spring in the Great Plagues course because some of it is so on the mark for today and because it’s so obvious now with covid that some of his examples, like not burying the dead quickly or not having the usual funerals, have nothing to do with human nature and everything to do with typical procedures being overwhelmed.

I will be over here in the corner geeking out. Carry on.
Monty Python and the Holy Grail plague scene is my go to - Bring out your dead....
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 05:29 PM
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My mother has a new cat...
She calls him “Mooch.”
Ha ha i didnt know your ma was so political! thats a great name. I was glad Ant'ony appeared on the scene to bring it back. HEY MOOOOCH!!!
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 06:43 PM
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I don't have any ice, unfortunately. Maybe I'll go get a bag. Just takes up so much space in my freezer.
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 07:07 PM
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A bag of popsicles would do...
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Old Jul 18, 2020, 07:14 PM
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Lol I do have popsicles, of course. I guess I could also freeze some water in my popsicle molds.
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You do know that we're in the middle of a rapidly intensifying pandemic, right? Visiting a bunch of random people all over the country and then traveling to spend time with somebody in their nineties sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
I'm not visiting my grandmother, but yes my mom is going to go visit her through her bedroom window at the nursing home. No one is allowed inside and the nursing home already had positive Covid cases. So I'm not sure what their plans are.
I'm stopping here and seeing my cousin for a few days and flying back home. I feel like I'm trying to get away from my situation with H temporarily and take precautions the same way I do at home going to the stores and seeing my family there. Wear a mask at the gas station, wash my hands, etc.

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Hey couchies. I slept until 10:30. I'm never this indulgent, it feels weird.

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Old Jul 19, 2020, 09:59 AM
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Indulgence is good for you every so often.
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Old Jul 19, 2020, 11:10 AM
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Thank you for this rich and thoughtful post, Elio!

I'm not totally sure what T wants me to be doing to be more "engaged," either. I found his email to be cold and kind of judgy rather than warm and instructive. I wish he would tell me clearly what it is that he thinks I need to do.
I think he is telling you... "be more engaged" ... but damn if I know what he means by his words. I don't know what "engaged" looks like to him or what is so different now than before that leads him to think that you are not engaged in getting/staying healthy. Really, I'd imagine anyone finding another person/partner in their life is going to change their head space and emotional place. And I imagine this would show up in therapy some as a sort of "honeymoonish" type of shift. I would also imagine this would start to return to pre-relationship as our patterns of behaviors start to come up in that new relationship. Seems to me this is great opportunity for him to see how you move through the stages of relationship building and what not.

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And... hmm. I guess I'm just not sure what kind of mindfulness or work it is that I need to be doing? The relationships I've been in have never required such a thing. Compromises and discussions with the partner in question, yes, but like I haven't been having to scramble along on the sidelines keeping myself sane/healthy in order to participate. Is there a book or something, a set of guidelines? (Wishful thinking, I know.)
Naw, those compromises and discussions are what I consider the work. So see, you are already working at/on the relationship.

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I can see how what I said in that moment is less than ideal. But, like, I was panicked and blurted it out. Am I supposed to somehow arrange my life and psyche such that I never get panicked? Learn to censor myself better in moments of distress? I dunno, I can see that I'm being defensive about this. But it honestly felt like I couldn't do any better in that moment.
Exactly, you did the best you could in that moment. At least, I believe you did the best you could at the moment. You were in a panic state. My thinking is that later is when the work comes into play and you have those discussions around what was going on for you, what was the nightmare, how what J did helped, how was J impacted... and so on. Some of those types of discussions might be best to have with your T first (ok maybe with my T, I too am not so sure about your T ) Some of them for sure need to be had with J; the goal would be that over time, when you have those types of panic moments, you'll will feel safer with J and you 2 will have created a language that helps calm you.

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I dunno. I'm getting all mixed up. It's like I can't think clearly about this.
like a few other's have said, don't let this get too tangly (yeah, I made that up, I like it). You did the best you could at the moment and you are talking about your experience (with J and with your T) around this. You are sharing your experience, being open to hearing different points of view, learning about yourself and your relationships.... I think you are doing all the right things at your pace and in the places you feel safest.

Regarding your T's email - I'm hard press to respond to it because I've often thought your T's communication and therapy style would not work for me. He comes across to me as too demanding or authoritarian or something that is a reenactment of my childhood. I'd freeze in response to some of what he's said being afraid I'd be hit if I moved or responded. Of course this has a lot more to do with me than him, I do think there's some part of something there with him; especially if he couldn't adjust to my needs. Basically he would not be flexible enough to work with me. It seems like most the time he works for you, at times he seems to be too rigid for your needs. So, maybe he really isn't a very flexible T .
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Old Jul 19, 2020, 12:47 PM
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Supposed to be heat index 100 today but heavy rain and thunder instead.
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Old Jul 19, 2020, 01:05 PM
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Supposed to be heat index 100 today but heavy rain and thunder instead.
I'd be okay with a heat index of 100. We've been sitting at 115 or so.
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