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Default Oct 12, 2021 at 04:17 PM
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I'm sorry, Kit.

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I expected that IOP T wasn't going to continue to see me but I'm still hurt. She's like, It's not a rejection. Yes it is.

Hugs, Kit, I'm so sorry. It's definitely a rejection.


Did she have any recommendations for other T's, even if they aren't nearby, that you could meet with virtually?
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It aggravates me that therapists can be so jumpy around psychotic symptoms. I know from my experience that delusions and hallucinations can be worked with and they can really throw light on your internal world and difficulty. They mean something and you deserve the attention, SlumberKitty.
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Oh, Kit.

That really sucks. I'm sorry you're having to go through that.
How long is your IOP program scheduled to last?

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Right now until the 21st unless they get a fourth extension from my insurance company. If not I will see her Friday and Monday and that's it. If they get an extension I guess it would depend on how many more days they give me. She scheduled me for the 29th but I pointed out that was after my scheduled end date. She said, we'll see. Your insurance might approve longer. It just sucks and I hate everything right now. I got too attached to her and I knew it was happening and I didn't stop it. I let myself think that maybe she would continue to see me. I'm such an idiot. Thanks for the hugs. I'd cry if I could let myself but the tears don't fall. HUGS Kit

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Hugs, Kit, I'm so sorry. It's definitely a rejection.


Did she have any recommendations for other T's, even if they aren't nearby, that you could meet with virtually?
Not really. Like no names or anything. She just said to look for a T that is a LCSW or an LMFT. Dr. K is a psychologist. She says that he probably doesn't have enough soft skills. He also doesn't have enough availability. I've been seeing her twice a week and then I'm going to go back to Dr. K who is like every 4-6 weeks. Sigh. She said try to find someone who is an expert with hallucinations and self harm. I said yeah right. The area where I live doesn't have enough practitioners as it is and I've looked for someone who specializes in self harm or something but there is no one. I have a list from my insurance company so I'll guess I'll have to try some of them and see if anyone is willing to work with me via telehealth that is further away. I figure that they will probably say the same thing. You're too high risk. Such bull. All I'm trying to do is get better but I need help to get better. It's definitely a rejection. I feel like crap now. She tried to get me to focus on coping skills for tonight so I said I would take a hot bath and I would journal. But I really don't even care if I follow through. I tried so hard with her. And it's like we touched on so many things but didn't get drilled down on any one thing so I can't even go away saying I accomplished something. She even said today that she didn't know where to start because there was so much. It's so painful to be rejected by a T. HUGS Kit

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It aggravates me that therapists can be so jumpy around psychotic symptoms. I know from my experience that delusions and hallucinations can be worked with and they can really throw light on your internal world and difficulty. They mean something and you deserve the attention, SlumberKitty.
Thank you comrademoomoo. You're a good friend. HUGS Kit

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Don't judge a T based on their degree. L has a Ph.D. and she's one of the most softest loving people I've ever met.

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Don't judge a T based on their degree. L has a Ph.D. and she's one of the most softest loving people I've ever met.

I was going to say similarly. Ex-T was an LCSW but not particularly warm. Ex-MC--well, OK, that ended badly, but he has a PhD and was generally very warm. It's more about personality than degree.
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Individual IOP T said she isn't going to continue to see me after IOP because of the hallucinations, the self harm, the past Sui attempts, I'm high risk and she says I am outside her scope of competence. But she's competent enough to see me while I am in program. Such bull.
It probably isn't a personal rejection. It might be more like while seeing patients in the IOP she has better malpractice insurance than she does in private practice, so it mitigates her risk. (Clients who try suicide or their survivors have been known to sue therapists.)

Anyway, I'm sorry.

Also, in more general personal news, I have decided there's really no nickname more suitable for the new therapist than Visa. Life takes Visa, after all, and it's everywhere you think it shouldn't be.

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It probably isn't a personal rejection. It might be more like while seeing patients in the IOP she has better malpractice insurance than she does in private practice, so it mitigates her risk. (Clients who try suicide or their survivors have been known to sue therapists.)

Anyway, I'm sorry.
Agreed. Or possibly she feels more equipped and confident within the context of a whole treatment team rather than seeing you in private practice on her own. I thought you mentioned before that she is not fully licensed yet? In some ways, she is doing you a favor by telling you this now rather than her panicking and dumping you two years down the road. As much as this sucks, that would be an even bigger, more painful mess.

Have you tried looking for somebody with a really solid trauma specialization? I think they can usually understand and work with what you're bringing to the table. My current therapists are a PhD and a LCSW (both work extensively with trauma) and they're both a good mix of warm and competent. I bet it is incredibly frustrating to hear that you're too high risk and therefore can't get any treatment at all. Every 4-6 weeks with a dude who doesn't seem to understand is not at all adequate.
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With instagram i always thought you followed someone and got new posts in your feed every time they posted but no i just clicked on a page and saw that i have not seen at least 8 posts from this page which i really love. How do you get every post without going through the dozen or so accounts you follow. Its kind of like fb which i hate as i have missed several important posts from a page that i follow and have not been notified of the AGM
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Individual IOP T said she isn't going to continue to see me after IOP because of the hallucinations, the self harm, the past Sui attempts, I'm high risk and she says I am outside her scope of competence. But she's competent enough to see me while I am in program. Such bull.
Ugh, that is terrible Kit. I am so sorry. We are here to listen.
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Also, in more general personal news, I have decided there's really no nickname more suitable for the new therapist than Visa. Life takes Visa, after all, and it's everywhere you think it shouldn't be.
This made me laugh, thanks for that!
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I started watching Lucifer because Una mentioned it so much and I checked out Hollow Knight because of Daffy. So thank you both for my most recent emotional avoidance techniques. And, yes, Hollow Knight can be incredibly frustrating, but if I keep trying I can usually get past the latest obstacle, even if much cursing is involved.
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Lucifer definitely kept me distracted/entertained. I’ve never heard of hollow knight! I am currently watching Squid Game bc my friends won’t stop hassling me about it. i must admit, i did get hooked pretty quickly.
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Squid Game was so violent yet had a story I got sucked into. I also really enjoyed Midnight Mass on Netflix (except for one scene that had a trigger related to my trauma history). Hollow Knight is a video game, not a show FYI.
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It aggravates me that therapists can be so jumpy around psychotic symptoms. I know from my experience that delusions and hallucinations can be worked with and they can really throw light on your internal world and difficulty. They mean something and you deserve the attention, SlumberKitty.
I definitely agree.

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I started watching Lucifer because Una mentioned it so much and I checked out Hollow Knight because of Daffy. So thank you both for my most recent emotional avoidance techniques. And, yes, Hollow Knight can be incredibly frustrating, but if I keep trying I can usually get past the latest obstacle, even if much cursing is involved.
i did originally say i have low frustration level. I havent gotten out of the Forgotten Crossroads yet. I am not a competent gamer either.
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It aggravates me that therapists can be so jumpy around psychotic symptoms. I know from my experience that delusions and hallucinations can be worked with and they can really throw light on your internal world and difficulty. They mean something and you deserve the attention, SlumberKitty.
A lot of therapists aren't trained to deal with psychosis and don't think it's useful to work on in therapy. I would like to point out that sometimes suggesting hallucinations and delusions have some kind of deeper meaning is a very slippery slope for someone that's in psychosis

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A lot of therapists aren't trained to deal with psychosis and don't think it's useful to work on in therapy. I would like to point out that sometimes suggesting hallucinations and delusions have some kind of deeper meaning is a very slippery slope for someone that's in psychosis
For me, understanding the context for my delusions was a crucial part of developing my ability to regain a shared reality - the opposite of a slippery slope. It was not about indulging a deeper or hidden meaning, but rather asking what the delusion was representing and what resonance did that have for me.

For example, I believed my medication contained nanotechnology which was being used by nefarious administrators to track my behaviour as part of a larger plan to control the population. Convincing me otherwise was pointless. Working with me about what this delusion represents - my lack of control, my bodily boundaries being intruded upon, violations by authority figures - uncovered how I was stuck with the trauma of real life sexual exploitation from a medical professional.

It's quite common practice to accept that a delusion has some seed of reality and working with that seed is what re-roots reality (torturous metaphor, sorry). I am sure this approach wouldn't be helpful for everyone and obviously many therapists aren't up to the work of it, but I feel strongly that it was life changing for me. When I experience symptoms now, I can look for the seed and it helps. Ignoring, dismissing or otherwise discounting the delusion doesn't help me.
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Don't judge a T based on their degree. L has a Ph.D. and she's one of the most softest loving people I've ever met.
Agree with that. I also personally found my Ph.D. therapist more well-versed in dealing with more complex issues than my other therapists who were not Ph.D. I don't know if that was from his particular training or his particular past work experience or just his particular skill level, but I found my psychologist was the therapist I made the strongest, most lasting improvements.
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