help with hearing voices

costello · May 12, 2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fishsandwich

Oh, I didn't know you were multiracial! And I didn't know rap was ghetto. Sorry if I offended you. Rap isn't really a genre where I'm from -- just a strange American import -- so I don't know much about it.

My son was into rap in a big way. One of his delusions was that he was friends with rappers and hip hop stars and that he had a record label. He mostly had to stop listening to rap, because it takes him down a slippery slope. It's definitely about racial identity for him.

May 13, 2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by likewater

Ok, psychosis can come and go fishsandwich but that doesnt mean people grow or mature out of it. That wording is frankly -insulting. No one grows out of mental illness without devine or medical or psychological intervention anymore than someone can grow out of
Being in a wheelchair. Oh wait i'm wrong. My neighbor with macular degeneration just told me he can see. My bfriend no longer needs his blood pressure meds. Wow!!! And a whole slew of monkeys just flew out my butt!!

((((Newtus))) you CAN go on. Get help if you need to. Go to er or call crisis line if you need to. I love you too much. Please take care.

i respectfully disagree. Likewater, your analogies are not relevant to psych meds and "other" distinct medical maladies.

fishsandwich · May 13, 2012, 01:10 PM

Likewater, I can't find where you wrote that -- but:

Nobody was suggesting that failure to 'escape' psychosis or other mental troubles was somehow a personal failing or a sign of immaturity -- 'mature' in this context was used strictly in the temporal sense. Some people do stop having psychotic episodes. It's even recognised in mainstream psychiatric literature.
Some people also find ways to control psychosis to the extent where they feel that diagnostic labels like schizophrenia are no longer relevant to them; whether that counts as 'maturing' is probably more of a semantic question.

Incidentally, your analogy is both false and falsifiable: plenty of people can control or reverse high blood pressure with lifestyle changes, such as a reduction in sodium intake. Of course, others can't. Like everything in the body (and mind), these things are highly personal.

KUREHA · May 13, 2012, 01:34 PM

I agree with likewater.

My friends, friend killed himself because of the voices, I'm sure his family would be happy if they knew if he had been a bit more mature it wouldn't have happened.

newtus · May 13, 2012, 02:24 PM

i wish i knew the answer to these unsaid metaphorical and literal questions.

May 13, 2012, 03:37 PM

No one person knows the answer, but I'm sure the answers can be pieced together through the collective unconscious of the entire world. Of course, we'll never be unified enough to draw said conclusions... The best you can do is find answers that work for you & tweak 'em if your perspective changes. : )

Gr3tta · May 13, 2012, 05:36 PM

I just want to say in reference to this that hearing voices alone does not make you schizophrenic, although it often leads to this sometimes incorrect diagnosis. Many people do hear voices only temporarily, but these people are not schizophrenic. They just hear voices.

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Originally Posted by guru2013

thank you for your comments. i am sincerly sorry for your mother.
i have been taught that there is an unofficial rule of Thirds. One third of schizophrenics completely recover from thier illness. Approximately, another one third, improve. and this only leaves a small percentage whose symptoms become worsened or do not improve. If someone does indeed recover, they no longer make the focus of thier life "hearing voices"
As i have stated, they mature and move on. -- Once again, i am sincerely sorry your mother did not improve. Did they ever try alternative treatments with her ? a more holistic approach perhaps? not trying to be naive here. I realize it is a tremendous burden to be caregiver for someone who has suffered for so long. -- Recovery, however does have a basis in reality. and those who recover no longer "hear voices". -- Allow me to go a bit off topic here "Researchers reported that, after 10years, 79% of patients on antipsychotics were psychotic, whereas 23% of those not on medication were psychotic. After 15 years, 65 % of patients on antipsychotics were psychotic., whereas only 28% of those not on medication were psychotic. -- I feel strongly that there exists a correlation between some psych meds and violence or violent tendencies ----the studies authors : (Martin Harrow and Thomas Jobe of the department of psychiatry at the University of Illinois in Chicago.) The research was part-funded by America's national Institute of Mental Health.

likewater · May 14, 2012, 07:57 PM

Guru and Gretta and Costello and Fishsandwich thanks for support. My mother only gets treatment once she iscaught assaulting somwone or trying to kill or threatening them. So state hospital doesnt do holistic treatment. She isnt nice pleasant or safe. Wont she
admit she needs treatment. Thinks she is sane. Last time I saw her she wanted to have s*x with me. I havent seen her since.

Newtus, hi . Hope your day is spider free.

newtus · May 14, 2012, 08:11 PM

found a wolf spider in my mailbox
left it for the mail lady

likewater · May 14, 2012, 09:20 PM

Wolf spiders are kind of nice.

costello · May 15, 2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by likewater

My mother only gets treatment once she iscaught assaulting somwone or trying to kill or threatening them. ...

I'm sorry, likewater. If you assume 1/3 get well and 1/3 improve, that still leaves a lot of people in the last category.

Sorry your mom is so unwell.

I feel so inadequate just saying 'sorry,' but you're in good company here. We're all struggling the best way we know how. If there were any easy answers, we could shut down the a forum all go home. Isn't that a lovely fantasy?

BTW, how is the neurofeedback going? Has it helped? Are the migraines staying away?

likewater · May 15, 2012, 11:00 PM

Thanks. Neurofeedback was great. Whenever migraines got worse she would
d adjust protocol . But now T graduated and have no T until they find me a new one .apparently it's super hard to find one for my case. as for my mom was listening to Beatles Blackbird. She likes that song. I think she wants to be free like that bird. Long ago I used to get glimses of the real her. She is beautiful. Or
was. someday she will be free . . .

costello · May 16, 2012, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by likewater

Long ago I used to get glimses of the real her.

I tend to think of my son that way too. The "real" him - and this new guy who seems to have taken over.

I wonder if this new guy is the real one now?

I know you hope for your mother's suffering to end. She'll find peace some day.

May 16, 2012, 05:52 PM

I always wonder the same thing about my myself a vast majority of the time. I don't remember who I am or how to connect that to who I want to be. Bollocks.

likewater · May 18, 2012, 12:09 PM

I know who i am, i'm just too many people. I dont know all of them. (((shayatanica))) whoever you are, you are a delightful person. Hugs if that's ok.

May 18, 2012, 09:03 PM

I think we're all a bunch of people, in some respects... Most people just don't get to know who those other people within them are. They're not as, err, charismatic? *wink*

Hahahaha well danke!! And hugs are just fine. However, I'm not often privvy to reciprocate. I hope that's okay, likewater & everyone else.

newtus · May 19, 2012, 08:32 AM

i dont understand.
so i hear this persons voice but in my head.
but is that a voice or what. i mean cause its in my head. not out.
but its their voice critisizing me.

some reason i feel so confused in the minute.

newtus · May 19, 2012, 10:26 AM

i would be ever so grateful if someone could answer.

maybe just an opinion.

May 19, 2012, 10:51 AM

It's agreed upon in some circles that the content of voices/delusions reflects self-criticisms on the subconscious level. The grandiose supposedly "shields" you & takes it too far, while the persecutory is the actual criticism haunting you... I'm not sure to the extent of how much I believe that. I hope that made sense...

newtus · May 19, 2012, 11:11 AM

thats a good opinion. though i dont quite understand it.
"the grandiose shields you & takes it too far"?

sorry i dont think i posed my question.
but i was wondering if that was a voice or some other sort of..idk?
i wonder because i have already established things that i hear outside of me.
but this is like..inside my head. in my head. like as if my eyes were the camera
and he was tuned in from the next city over. watching and critiszing the stuff im doing/thinking.
or was like...idk.

its this guys voice who i used to know.
hes critisizing me for everything im doing at every second practically.
like
"you know they dont care about you"
"you know your a loser"
"they are judging you. i didnt want them to but they are"
"why would you do that?"
"you dont need that (peice of food)"
"they are going to know you did that"
just etc.
stuff like that.
its his voice..its just like..idk.

May 19, 2012, 11:46 AM

Sorry, mis-worded. The grandiosity allegedly shields you from this inner negative source & it takes things too far. Instead of feeling happier, you get wound up thinking you're invincible/immortal, & a lot of people harm themselves this way...

That sounds like what they call "thought implantation". Where it's like someone else's thoughts are being put into your head? I get those more often than actual voices... But if he manifests as an actual voice, well then, he's a voice. I suppose.

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