Roll Call 28

Crescent Moon · Jun 22, 2014, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by junkDNA

umm i dont think she was talking against you . she was asking a question. she didn't state that you choose to buy alcohol over feeding your cat. but i get that's what u took from it

That's what it sounded like to me, too. It sounded kind of mean to me.

Jun 22, 2014, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Crescent Moon

I understand that it sometimes works, but the majority of the time it does not. (And mind you, I have a cat I absolutely adore - so I am not coming from a place of indifference about animals). Anyway, all the reading about and discussions I've had with people who are involved with ferals has left me with the understanding that they will capture a pregnant feral, take the kittens, neuter the momma, then put the momma back into the wild because as a rule, adult cats don't domesticate. They take the newborn kittens and put them in foster care, and adopt them out. I got a kitten like that from an adoption place - and although she had never lived in the wild, she acted like she was wild. She was a mess.

So I'm really glad you've had a great experience with adopting a feral cat, but your experience is not the norm.

And when it comes right down to it, as much as I love and respect animals, Newtus is worth much more.

My mom, when she was alive, used to take care of the wild cats in the neighborhood. She even turned the carport into a building for them and had my brother in law make little dens for them in the winter. The majority weren't able to be tamed. But she took in a pregnant one and she became domesticated really easy. She was my mom's buddy and is the mom of my cat midnight, so it can be done.

Jun 22, 2014, 06:14 PM

Crescent Moon: I think Newtus is very important to Roll Call too. I hope she knows that. I'm not sure if you read all of the comments that were made today in Roll Call or not. If you'll go way back and read everything I think you'll see where people were just trying to help Newtus. I know I was.

junkDNA · Jun 22, 2014, 06:16 PM

im gonna try to stay awake til 8.......45 min from now.....i feel like im running on fumes........it will feel so good to lay in bed

Crescent Moon · Jun 22, 2014, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sunshine1995

My mom, when she was alive, used to take care of the wild cats in the neighborhood. She even turned the carport into a building for them and had my brother in law make little dens for them in the winter. The majority weren't able to be tamed. But she took in a pregnant one and she became domesticated really easy. She was my mom's buddy and is the mom of my cat midnight, so it can be done.

Yes, and I have acknowledged that it certainly has been done. However, I'm not sure Newtus has the experience or training on how to domesticate feral cats. And those experienced at it have told me that most of the time a feral adult cannot be domesticated. So I just think Newtus deserves better than a bunch of judgment. Everybody was pretty quick to jump on that, and it shouldn't be like that here. I'm happy for everyone who loves animals; I am an animal lover too. But I love Newtus more. Period.

Jun 22, 2014, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by junkDNA

im gonna try to stay awake til 8.......45 min from now.....i feel like im running on fumes........it will feel so good to lay in bed

Not much longer...

Jun 22, 2014, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Crescent Moon

Yes, and I have acknowledged that it certainly has been done. However, I'm not sure Newtus has the experience or training on how to domesticate feral cats. And those experienced at it have told me that most of the time a feral adult cannot be domesticated. So I just think Newtus deserves better than a bunch of judgment. Everybody was pretty quick to jump on that, and it shouldn't be like that here. I'm happy for everyone who loves animals; I am an animal lover too. But I love Newtus more. Period.

Ok then...

Sometimes psychotic · Jun 22, 2014, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Crescent Moon

And when it comes right down to it, as much as I love and respect animals, Newtus is worth much more.

Nobody said newtus wasn't important... But is one hour of her time on a trip to a shelter worth more than the life of a cat?

junkDNA · Jun 22, 2014, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Crescent Moon

Yes, and I have acknowledged that it certainly has been done. However, I'm not sure Newtus has the experience or training on how to domesticate feral cats. And those experienced at it have told me that most of the time a feral adult cannot be domesticated. So I just think Newtus deserves better than a bunch of judgment. Everybody was pretty quick to jump on that, and it shouldn't be like that here. I'm happy for everyone who loves animals; I am an animal lover too. But I love Newtus more. Period.

honestly i dont think anyone was judging Newtus. yeah it made me mad that she let it go without considering taking it to a shelter but that doesn't mean i think she is a bad person. i like newtus and i like what she contributes to this forum. just because i may get upset at something she has done doesn't mean i hate her or am judging her. i have no room to judge anyone for anything. especially on a forum like this.

Jun 22, 2014, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Crescent Moon

Yes, and I have acknowledged that it certainly has been done. However, I'm not sure Newtus has the experience or training on how to domesticate feral cats. And those experienced at it have told me that most of the time a feral adult cannot be domesticated. So I just think Newtus deserves better than a bunch of judgment. Everybody was pretty quick to jump on that, and it shouldn't be like that here. I'm happy for everyone who loves animals; I am an animal lover too. But I love Newtus more. Period.

You are entitled to your own opinion but I think you are seeing this all wrong. I think maybe you came in half way on the conversation and didn't read all the posts. Newtus was only asked to take the unwanted cat that she has had for a while to the shelter instead of just dumping it outside. That was what we were trying to help her with. That is why I posted the links to several shelters. I care about Newtus and her situation with the cat. I was never judging her.

Crescent Moon · Jun 22, 2014, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cracking Slowly

Crescent Moon: I think Newtus is very important to Roll Call too. I hope she knows that. I'm not sure if you read all of the comments that were made today in Roll Call or not. If you'll go way back and read everything I think you'll see where people were just trying to help Newtus. I know I was.

Yes, Cracking, I did read everything. And I know it might all be coming from good hearts that are in the right place, but based on the things that were said, if I were in Newtus' young shoes, I would feel ganged up on. I don't think it's good for her to feel like she has disappointed everyone, that people think she was doing bad things to the cat (I mean - someone said that it was probably going to die! - if it's feral, it knows how to take care of itself). Anyway, I am going to very politely stand with Newtus. I personally don't think she did anything "wrong."

Crescent Moon · Jun 22, 2014, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cracking Slowly

You are entitled to your own opinion but I think you are seeing this all wrong. I think maybe you came in half way on the conversation and didn't read all the posts. Newtus was only asked to take the unwanted cat that she has had for a while to the shelter instead of just dumping it outside. That was what we were trying to help her with. That is why I posted the links to several shelters. I care about Newtus and her situation with the cat. I was never judging her.

I did read everything. But by the time people talked about the shelter, the cat was already gone. On top of that, are the shelters you gave her links to no-kill?? If not, the cat would likely be put down within a week if no one comes to adopt it. So.. a feral cat would live longer in the wild where they know how to take care of themselves.

And please know - I am not implying that I think anyone hates Newtus. I think everyone here cares about Newtus. I just think some judgment got thrown around and that kind of thing seems to hit her like a brick. I'm trying to soften that thing.

junkDNA · Jun 22, 2014, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Crescent Moon

Yes, Cracking, I did read everything. And I know it might all be coming from good hearts that are in the right place, but based on the things that were said, if I were in Newtus' young shoes, I would feel ganged up on. I don't think it's good for her to feel like she has disappointed everyone, that people think she was doing bad things to the cat (I mean - someone said that it was probably going to die! - if it's feral, it knows how to take care of itself). Anyway, I am going to very politely stand with Newtus. I personally don't think she did anything "wrong."

ok but we aren't in control of how newtus chooses to react to our concerns. it seems like you are trying to put the blame on us for how she is choosing to feel about the whole thing. we weren't calling her names or berating her. and we are entitled to post our own opinions about it. because she posted about it on a forum and she got responses that maybe she didn't want to read or agree with doesnt mean we are the bad people and have wronged her

Jun 22, 2014, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Crescent Moon

Yes, Cracking, I did read everything. And I know it might all be coming from good hearts that are in the right place, but based on the things that were said, if I were in Newtus' young shoes, I would feel ganged up on. I don't think it's good for her to feel like she has disappointed everyone, that people think she was doing bad things to the cat (I mean - someone said that it was probably going to die! - if it's feral, it knows how to take care of itself). Anyway, I am going to very politely stand with Newtus. I personally don't think she did anything "wrong."

When you post something you have to understand that people are going to make comments back. Everyone sees things in their own way. You see it as we were ganging up on her. I can assure you I was never ganging up on her.

Newtus has not posted that she felt like she was ganged up on. If she does feel that way I am sincerely sorry. Like I said I only wanted to help her.

Jun 22, 2014, 06:31 PM

I admit I was being judgemental. Newtus, I'm sorry if I was mean.

I hope though that u understand that ppl were just trying to help. You are a cool person and please don't think u can't do anything right. That's not true.

junkDNA · Jun 22, 2014, 06:34 PM

i think it's getting pointless to argue about this. and it's only creating drama. i think im going to step back and just not comment on this subject anymore

Jun 22, 2014, 06:35 PM

Sometimes, I've been meaning to ask. Do u know of any good books on spirituality? I'm not looking for anything new agey but like inspiring/enlightening. Do u have any suggestions?

Jun 22, 2014, 06:37 PM

Sorry totally off topic.

Jun 22, 2014, 06:42 PM

I think we can all just agree that we aren't always going to agree with each other. You are correct in saying that it is pointless to argue. What's done is done. Everyone has their own opinion. I respect other people's opinion and I hope they respect mine. I cannot speak for other people I can only speak for myself. And I hope that Newtus knows that she is respected and cared about. Everyone sees things differently.

Sometimes psychotic · Jun 22, 2014, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sunshine1995

Sometimes, I've been meaning to ask. Do u know of any good books on spirituality? I'm not looking for anything new agey but like inspiring/enlightening. Do u have any suggestions?

No most of the ones I know are new agey...

Jun 22, 2014, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sometimes psychotic

No most of the ones I know are new agey...

Oh ok.

junkDNA · Jun 22, 2014, 06:45 PM

my neck is getting tired from holding my head up. im looking at the screen sideways. 15 more min and i will take my night meds..........................