[lemath]

when he first arrived in china, he went to a very poverty stricken area and was completely devastated with what he saw. after that trip he went to shanghai where he smoked those ciggs. i dont know what chemical those ciggs may have in them, or if that is even what induced this state of mind. he is now set out to end poverty in the world and started obsessing with what he can do, he came up with many diferent ideas all which are unrealistic. like becoming an over night billionaire and helping out the poor. he came up with many business plans, all which are not feasible by our financial means. he now thinks he already made millions of dollars, when he has not! he is completely paranoid about current events and thinks the world is coming to an end. he thinks that he has been chosen to save the world. he sees messages and signs all over the place, and thinks the TV is talking to him. he smoked about 2/3 packs of those ciggerettes and its been 3 days and he's extremely energetic and cannot stop talking. his friends went to pick him up and convince him to come back and told him there was a family eemergency and finally got him on a plane. he is on a plane as i speak. his delusions have not been cleared despite the fact that he was was given valium to sleep. he was told that he had high bp, and he thought he was taking blood pressure medicine and not valium. i dont know if its the stimulants in the ciggs that caused this or its self induced as a response to the extreme shock he had. the one day that i questioned his thoughts (before i knew he was smoking that or being irrational), he got really mad, and he was so upset that i didnt understand him that he was crying uncontrollably for hours! i thought that maybe this was all my fault , so i said sorry (for an hour) , he finally calmed down and went back to talking about all that stuff. its been 3 days and he hasnt stopped. and now i dont think its the herbs. or maybe he's gone so far that he cannot distinguish between reality and not. we cannot question him, he gets extremely mad. i dont know what to do he is coming back tomorrow and i will face him alone for the first time. please help.

[Roy21]

Im by no means experienced in this kind of thing all i am experienced with is that i have gone through psychosis and can shed some light on that. These dilusions he is having do sound psychotic to me all i can think is that he has had a bad reaction to whatever were in those cigarettes. I dont anything about these cigarettes you are talkin about but I know some people with some drugs they can have psycotic side effects from even the 1st time they try a drug i know with me it only took a small number of times of trying methamphetamine before i developed my psychosis. Maybe getting him to see a psyc would be a good idea or look in your phone directory for mental heath support centers and talk to them about it before he gets back. Maybe someone from there may be able to even come out and meet with you and him. I live in australia and we have a service here which offers this but i dont know of any outside melbourne australia. But definatly try and get in contact with a mental health support center somewhere in your area and talk to them about it and see if a case worker can come out and meet with both of you. This is about the only advise i can really give you maybe some of the other users of this forum would be able to provide a better answer. Hopefully this is of some help to you.

Roy

[Malady156]

Lemath you won't get anywhere focusing on his delusional content or trying to talk him out of it or "talk sense into" him about it. What you need to do is focus on the symptoms themselves, particularly the day to day things -- how he is not sleeping, how his thoughts are racing, how he is crying so easily, edgy and sensitive, how he is eating erratically (if that's the case), etc. By focusing on these things you can gently help him to see that these things are causes of stress and personal distress for him, and that if his goal is to end world hunger he cannot have these troublesome things getting in the way. Arrange a visit with a pdoc (psychiatrist) you have contacted ahead of time for him and get him checked out. Even if you don't follow this idea, you HAVE to call a psych doc, OK? You canNOT deal with this by yourself!!! I'm sure you know that!!!

[lemath]

my question is , is it possible for this to happen without drugs involved? for someone with no history, no family history etc. could the trigger just be the extreme poverty see saw? also when he comes back itll be nighttime and then sunday so we cannot do anythign doctor wise for 2 days. on monday we are gonna test those cigs in the lab. and see if there are any chemicals or not. yhen take it from there. i dont know how i am gonna spend 2 days listening to his %#@&#!, sorry i dont be to be rude i love him to death. i just want him to snap out of it.

as for dealing with it, his close frends/family went to pick him up in china. so we were just waiting h=till he got back to treat him bc there are more resources here. how to i make him not call everyone he knows? he calle dmy parents so many times and now they think he is mentally instable i have to worry about other people worrying about me. on top of that, he called work/school etc and said some things that i know he will regret later. i dont know how to control him, i need to know just for the one or two days before we get his diagnosis.,

[lemath]

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[lemath]

Some herbal cigarettes containing Ephedra are marketed as a legal alternative to marijuana. definate legal in china.

[Malady156]

I don't know where you live Lemath but here in the United States the FDA has banned ephedrine and all Ephedra-containing products mainly for the physical side effects (it was claimed it caused some deaths). I used to take it myself in a few forms, mostly to boost my extremelly sluggish metabolism so i would not get fat. i am psychotic (at least according to human consensus reality) but it's not from the ephedrine. i don't know if it can make people psychotic or not, but i DO know it can take an existing problem and blow it way out of proportion -- like if someone is already depressed or bipolar it can throw it way, way off the charts or make it worse. even when it was legal here there were warnings on the label not to take it if you had depression or any mood disorder or were currently on medications for those conditions. when i was taking it, it tended to make my moods way more extreme than they already are (IF that's possible, LOL!) i never tried smoking it in any form -- i wonder if there's some type of chemical reaction if it is smoked that makes it a more dangerous chemical or something?

[lemath]

thanks for your reply. well he came back and is still delusional, but better. we got his blood/urine to do tests. it is moer and more evident that it is not drug induced. i will find out tomorrow if this is chemically induced.in the meanwhile he spoke to psychiatrist and it seems that he may be bi-polar. i cannot beleive this happened over night, even though he admits that he may be bi polar he still thinks that he is right about the world and stock market (which he started investing in since his episode started a week ago). he thinks he is more special now. he's like im a genius like john nash. i told him nash was delusional, he said that nash may be , but he isnt. i am so confused. its like he's a complete different person. well at times he seems the same, but all he does is talk and talk and talk and i am so tired. he is talking about things that arent real, and when we correct him, its all over. so i dont correct him, and then his delusion is validated. i lost like 6 or 7 punds in a week. i cant sleep. oh god, i forgot i was here for him.
in the meanwhile he is doing/saying things that he is def. gonna regret later, like buying things, like making major life decisions etc, all based on his delusions. we are gonna get his results for everything tomorrow. so we'll see.

[lemath]

yea i have his family nearby they have been supportive. its very hard to sit down and hear hours upon hours of bul@sh@T. it doesnt seem like the drug. which was my worst dream and it came true. since i am his girlfriend i come second in line to his family on making decisions. they are waiting for a mood chart from the doctor. she said wait till the results of the blood test come back to see whats up. so well have a diag in a few days. he is fine when he is doing things here, like music, shows on tv etc. but spends alot of time writing codes from the TV. he thinks he is a genius. and makes that very public. he said the psychiatrist was a dumb lady and he was the one that was controlling the session (it was a phone session). when will this stop? will it ever? can it be controlled? how can i hint that he is delusional? i really need to tell him to stop buying things. he cant go to work in this state and i got fired b/c i didnt show! we dont have to worry too much b/c both are parents are moderately well off at least till i get another job, for like a month or something. but if the spending continues i dont know. he thinks everything is free (b/c today he made another 10 grand on the stock market, or in the morning he'll say he made 10 grand, by the evening he thinks he made a million etc etc). he really wants to go back to honk kong bc he thinks he made alot of frends there. in the hotel bill , they wrote "handle with care" next to his name. he interpreted this as "VVIP". he told me that he is the most famous and important guy in the hotel. yea he got alot of attention there, but thats b/c i called them and told the hotel to take care of him until his brother got there to pick him up. he said the store keepers were all so mad at him because he was buying everythign for free, and everywhere he went a huge crowd gathered around him. that is because most of the times he created a scene. i know this for fact b/c people saw him do that. we havent gone out in public yet. what do tell frens , and his work? and my family? they will tell me to leave him. i love him.

[Malady156]

i don't understand how you can say you love him but continue to refer to his ideals and passions in such derogatory terms, constantly referring to what he wants or needs to talk about as "bullsh*t". I find that offensive personally and it makes me feel extremely unsafe to talk to you. I'm afraid because of that I will not be able to continue this conversation. Perhaps others on this board can be more supportive. Good luck.

~Mal