the vagina that has stretched in childbirth

I did figure it out by myself, thanks, LearningMe01! Still, it is nice to find support from like-minded women

You're a woman who said you prefer a big penis so why can't a man prefer a tight vagina? Seems a bit like double standards.

and... like-vagina-ed, too

That is a deeeeeep question... no pun intended. I will have to think about it before responding.

There's no deep thinking about it. You prefer a big penis he prefers a tight vagina. The good news is you can change that with kegals.

He was rude how he put his point across.

There is much more deep thinking to this. So, after the long weekend.

Well it seems to me you want to have your cake and eat it. If you desire a big penis that's fine, most men like a tight vagina. It goes both ways.

I would ask you to respect my plan to think deeply about the issue over the long weekend when I will be away from the computer and then respond to you, and *then* you will have a chance to share all your beliefs, views, *deep* convictions, and other valuable, important points of input.

Instead of doing that just admit I'm right.

I don't think, Lycanthrope, the question being posed has much at all to do with...err...Hamster's anatomy, so to speak, as much as it does with the "gentleman" in the original post and his line of insults. The guy's comment wasn't based off any sort of compatibility issue. It was said simply for malice's sake. The question Hamster poses originally in her OP reads "So I wonder how rational it is to do what he is doing." Thus, the focus as I see it is this guy and his childish attitude, not so much anything on Hamster's part.

OK, now I have the time for answering. I will answer from my original place in which I had a strong preference for bigger men - bigger in that sense. I have since worked towards dropping it, but I will respond as if I still had it.

So the preference was largely esthetic - for the look and feel. Esthetic preferences are valid and not vapid (a little word play) - see Aristotle et al.

The vagina is largely invisible because it is inside, so you cannot, to the best of my knowledge, have strong esthetic preferences with regard to vaginas, although I am prepared to stand corrected on it. Some of the guys I have been with never took a look at my vagina at all.

Out of the esthetic preference for the phallic form in general I prefer tall pine trees over fluffy trees, leeks over onions, and normal glass wine bottles over boxed wine.

I cannot viscerally relate to your "cake" saying because I do not have a sweet tooth and eat cakes strictly when I feel that the host(ess) would otherwise feel offended, and in those cases, I do not enjoy cakes - in fact even thinking about eating cakes makes me want to vomit - but I do understand the point you were trying to make. So your point was wrong because penises are outside of the male body and vaginas are inside of the female body and until medical technology progresses much further, this will remain a fact of biological reality in and around us.

On a different note, the preference for tight vaginas, of which I had not heard much until the unusual encounter with that former friend of mine that became the topic of the thread (and I have had four male partners since the birth of the last child who never expressed any discontent), makes me think that you subscribe to a mechanistic view of sex, to which I have never subscribed and never will because I find it incredibly boring. I am able, not frequently but from time to time, to have very powerful all-body orgasms from thoughts or from as little as touching a man who happens to be quite special on many levels, every so slightly, fully clothed and without any genital contact. Perhaps because I have been blessed with this ability, I have never cared about diameters in the functional sense, but I did have a strong look and feel preference for a bigger size. I suspect that the preference for a bigger size was limited to sizes that are big but within normal limits, and not porn star big - I realize that there is a tremendous amount of selection that goes into picking male porn actors in the industry. I would be willing to look at porn (I have never had an interest in it for arousal purposes, but would be more than happy to look in order to see if I like what I see esthetically) except that I have concerns that I would be disgusted by what I see, because I have a very narrow view of appropriate virility, and shaved/waxed bodies are outside of my range of appropriate virility, and since I am disgusted enough from occasionally seeing waxed male torsos in the swimming pool, I do not think that I should look at men who have had their pubic hair waxed, because I would not be able to isolate my reaction to the size of the penis from the disgust that I would likely feel from seeing a waxed male pubic area. If you know of porn that FOR SURE does not display waxed male bodies, please PM me, as I do not know how to look for it. Thanks and apologies to those men who either wax themselves or those men or women who prefer their male partners waxed - I acknowledge being very severely under-evolved with my Neanderthal preferences, but I cannot help having them .

Oh, and in terms of the "feel" part of "look and feel" - I wear medium size gloves from REI, so my hands are probably average size.

Oh, and also, besides the general preference for the phallic form (not that much size anymore, but form, although speaking of size, I went to Trader Joe's and grabbed a clamshell with blueberries not looking at details; I then looked at the details at home and found out that I grabbed Trader Joe's BIGGER Blueberries really BIG & Delicious net wt 6 oz (70g)), so, curious, I ate them without further ado and my pronouncement was that yes, they were delicious, but not any more or less delicious than regular blueberries from Trader Joe's, so I hope that men who read this while having an average endowment will rejoice - there is absolutely no functional difference),

OK so besides the general preference for the phallic form, I also have a general preference for data analysis, and, led by that general preference coupled with natural curiosity, I logged onto OKCupid, which I had not visited for months until earlier this evening.

So the inbox contains 192 messages (I am not responding now because I am unsure about online dating at present and because of intervening priorities, so I just let the messages accumulate).

The profile states that I have three children.

OK, so to the extent that men prefer tighter vaginas, except that I was not in the know about that wide-spread preference (and besides the four male partners whom I have had, there were interested but rejected (rejected solely due to my then state of being in a monogamous marriage and not due to their bad qualities of any sort) male candidates, all of whom knew about the number of my children), so to the extent that such preference exists in the general population, I have been able to form three hypotheses:

1) 192 people are interested in a purely platonic relationship with me.

2) 192 people believe that all my three children were delivered via C-section, leaving my vagina in a completely virginal state.

3) 192 people believe that soon after they get to know me, they will inform me of their preferences and request oral sex and I would be happy to oblige.

So all three hypotheses seem sort of a bit weird to me. Which one is... less weird?..

My only way out of the weirdness is to suppose that:

a) 64 men want a strictly platonic relationship with me.
b) 64 men believe that all my children were cesarean births.
c) 64 people have plans to request oral sex in the immediate future.

OK, so that is a bit more rounded, as hypotheses go...right?

The capitalization of BIGGER in the title of Trader Joe's blueberries is not mine - I typed up the title verbatim, keeping the capitalization intact. Just saying.

No, you are wrong - I cannot admit that you are right on the strength of my experience (actuals-based) that, ahem, outweighs this little incident (assumption-based). I have been taught to prefer facts over assumptions, so that means that you are wrong as far as the general population goes, but you do seem to be right in the way in which you express your idiosyncratic preferences, to which you are undoubtedly entitled and which do appear near and dear to you, and since there is zero likelihood that I would be ever called upon to satisfy those preferences (see above about zero interest in people who subscribe to mechanistic views on sex, and, ADDED, little interest in people who project their idiosyncrasies onto the whole wide world), I think that we can safely state that there is no deep internal conflict created by our different takes on the subject matter, with which I remain...

This has got to be a joke. Then again when you join a forum for crazy people what can I expect to find?

hahahahaha!! I think i love you !!!!

Good point.

Interestingly enough, the man whose craziness prompted the thread won the custody of his only daughter (who is now in her late 20s) when she was a small child.

That victory appears to have been the main victory of his life and the main source of his pride as he mentions the fact that an independent unbiased court-ordered psych eval extolled his rational abilities and he, per him, won custody on the strength of his being normal in a superior way (an oxymoron but I am just relating what I heard) and THE most rational person around.

OK, so after I stopped communicating in the course of this unusual encounter, he changed his tune and became super polite etc. and expressed hopes that maybe he will find me in a different station in my life at some later point because "a guy who always have hopes". With that, he attached a scan of a very old Polish birth certificate written in cursive. From the early 1800s. I responded that I could not read it (half of the letters have been smudged anyway). He then wrote that he would collect many more Polish documents in his genealogical excavations and that would give me a reason to recontact me again in the future as he still had hopes.

So in general, a rational person would realize that if I could not read one birth certificate, it would be highly unlikely that I would then be able to read many birth certificates.

But I did not point it out to him because I did not want to be argumentative, nor cared.

He also at some point, before he changed his tune, wondered if I THOUGHT that he was a complete moron.

Again, I did not comment, though I did have things to say, and what I wanted to say was that THOUGHT (which implies a degree of doubt and hesitation) was a misnomer - I was SURE that he was a complete moron.

So instead I went no comment.

This is just nuts!

If you're not kidding, this guy is rude beyond belief! Why would he assume you were going to screw him, and then start insulting your vagina before he even got close to it?

And then change the subject back to normal things. Lmao!

I'm pretty sure it's normal for men to like it tight. It's also pretty normal, I would guess, for a woman to like a **** that is big enough she can feel it.

I also seriously doubt having three babies means that a woman would have a giant gaping loose vagina. If three babies caused that, there would never be four babies, or five. If you are screwing a guy and he got off, it was evidently fun and felt good. So don't let a weirdo give you a vagina complex.

Why the hell would he even think this was marginally okay to say? I think you should block him. Be glad y'all didn't get married back in the day. Tell him, "I refuse to touch a penis that has been in farm animals" lol

No I believe I'm right, as you see you think it's perfectly acceptable to start threads asking about penis size and your preference for big sizes, yet when someone mocks your vagina, oh no... That's so offensive oh the outrage. I wasn't talking about the population as a whole because I can't interview and talk to all of near 7 billion people, and some are babies and can't speak. Just yourself.

And by the way, the man was wrong in the way he spoke to you, but perhaps it will teach you a lesson before you make threads about a man's penis size and make lightwork about it. There's men who've committed suicide or want to die over this. I speak on another forum trying to help guys who've basically isolated themselves because of this.

If you have a preference for a big penis that's fine. It doesn't make you a bad person, it doesn't make you a slut, it's your life and you can do what you want. However, some men do have a preference for a tight vagina, and you being all worked up about that does seem hypocritical.