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Old Sep 21, 2012, 08:45 PM
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i am still searching for a job in my state and i just applied to a job in the mall. i am unaware of what kind of work i should be seeking. i have been attending therapy sessions through the state's money with my food stamps for several weeks and been enjoying it.

of course, that is not something i am gonna tell an employer. i told my therapist how my spirit within me was killed when i was 10 yrs old of brainwashing, lots of lies about life and people, been told to not work because things are paid for by both parents mostly mother, becoming a mute at a young age (speak when spoken too), etc.

life was not full of peaches or cherries. i have taken a number of career assessments in my life, i do not find them that fascinating. they only pertain if you have already have the experience, working at the job currently, or going to school for it. i saw things in it that i already knew and most things i would not dream of doing like science (unless it pertains to herbal health but too much terminology).

growing up, i have done IT all my life with some creativity. i would like to do more with creativity and mix it with technology, i just know the old technology and do not feel i can keep up with the newer rapid changing technology.

IT was forced upon me by my mom insisting to my dad that "her daughters" are not "dumb women who should use an easy bake oven all of her life and can do a lot with men in the real world." that is coming from someone who never held a job in over 30 yrs! the newer stuff in technology now really interests me.

i always wanted to be a game designer but programming has too much math and was always a flunky in math, but i loved the drawing just didnt go to school for it cuz my dad wouldn't pay that kind of money. i ended up going to a community college that was hell! i have an AAS Network Administrator degree, no certs too costly, and most of IT is outsourced plus entry level is over 5 yrs experience but i have no field work experience just life experience but i found out now since i did this as i guess a hobby with my dad it does not count as experience (over 17 yrs) because i was not getting paid.

yea, an IT manager i interviewed with my ex college told me she wouldnt hire me because it was paid work and i didnt have any field work behind me. my therapist suggest i volunteer to give me a sense of reward, i dont disagree with that but i told her how am i gonna get there? we had a fire incident 2 yrs ago, i maxed out my checking account and have to restart all over again. i also told her there is nothing close knit in where we live you need a car to get around. no, i do not live in the boonies i live in a city near the capital but the capital takes 20-30 mins by car to get there almost an hour by bus!

i am 26 yrs old with no kids and at the stage of trying to find out who i am. we discussed this in the therapy session a few days ago. i find nothing out there in the job market that is fulfilling now and tired of waiting on these employers/gov to get their stupid act together. my only experience is retail which i hated bagging groceries and left the company on bad terms in jan 06.

i have been seeing for a couple of years is big, something big like big money. i dont know not sure how to point it out. i have no other skills like cooking, knitting, sewing, those are too quiet for me not the cooking part - barely have skills in cooking. i havent made things creatively since i was a child.

no, my parents didnt prepare me for work nor the real world hence is why i am trying to see how to recreate myself. i had tons of business ideas but not sure how to do it. i took up web design but have not finished it because i have the old adobe suite which i need the newest one out there and with no means of money, i cant get it. i would never ask anyone to get it for me i would rather buy it myself.

i told my therapist how embarrassing this is to relearn everything when these things should have been taught. she wants me to heal and get this huge cloud of shame/guilt out of me for good so i can move on. she is not a career therapist she is just a family therapist. i barely have enough money/gas to get across town to see her since i am using my boyfriend's addy for my food stamps cuz i do not want it come to my house in the city i live because it would cause a battle of the civil war with my parents about why i use food stamps when it was their idea to get it until i find something!

i have been reading articles on making money with no job/money and confused. i am so confused by what i am reading and i told my therapist how my determination/motivation has always been zero or a 2 in my life unless it was a fat paycheck i was patient. i told her i go in and out of motivation/determination as i told her in previous sessions how i do not know what those words mean nor were they taught to me.

yea, its a background of what went on in my life to now as to why i couldnt keep a job after i left my first job in 06 one was because mostly a lack of resources from professionals and career centers how they told me the wrong info which i thought was correct info and i did ask other professionals they confirm it was the correct info. i am fighting out later on 2 yrs ago attending workshops how things about jobs and job markets were taught so wrong in high school and college.

2nd reason is because of my mom saying i dont need a job to be independent to i need a job to be independent which is it?! also, it's because i do not feel i could do a good job in anything and in therapy, we talked about the guilt/shame i carried in my life which is a whole laundry list of it! i am not sure what will steer me in the right direction to be away from the corporate world since no job wants to hire me, yea i have 2 jobs. only one is on my resume and the 2nd one i was there for a week yea i know it looks bad.

i have linkedin which is god awful in terms of the kind of career/job advice i get to useless professionals boasting about things they did in the dinoasaur era which i dont care about, to them being unemployed is fun because they have a pension/401k-403b/retirement, lack of info, negative, etc which is why i do not use/like linked in! other business social sites are not so active like linkedin is so i dont go on those either and facebook is even worse!

ive had professionals on fb and linkedin send me stuff on business opportunities which i ask where the hell (did not use hell when speaking to them) am i gonna get the money to start/run the business? they wanted me to jump on board with their companies (mostly MLMs or companies that i never heard of) which their values did not match mine whatsoever! i have my own ideas which i want to use i do not want to get on board with their ideas/companies as they were pushing to be on board which only benefited them not me anyway i am very immune to that!

volunteering is out of the question. as i said many times, my main concern is money and how i am gonna support myself free work will not do it so dont suggest something that will not my finances (zero) or age. if i cant get there i dont volunteer and no i dont ask anyone to take me there. networking events are the same way cant get there no point until i have money for gas or a bus pass!

i am doing things my way and looking at other avenues. i have talked to a career coach she was nice and felt i should work to gain more experience b4 i start a business. after that was over, i thought the boy at 13 who created angry birds has no life experience or job experience look at what he produced and made millions too!

i am just out of options as i dont know what to do. since i am in the process of rebuilding myself as stated before, what exactly do i do? id like to be in control not someone else. i am looking for work now just to get some kind of money in plus i need to update my skills but i am so stressed and not focus its hard to do. i have a legal dispute against me, 2nd college wants their money back and i need to pay them back. i went back to school (realized that was a lie later on) to get another degree in web design, these schools are just teaching out of date info!

any suggestions? hopefully that will lead something that id like to do not WHAT someone thinks i should! i was hoping to get into IT after college but that didnt happen after the huge hit happen in 08. things are not getting any better just worse but that is my opinion of this depression. i have been to every workshop and workforce connection they have no real answers i was told your young you can wait until the economy gets better. what kind of crap advice is that? yea, professionals have told me that!!

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Old Sep 21, 2012, 09:18 PM
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I think developing a habit of daily (or at least regular) engagement with something is important ... whether that something be a job, volunteer work, a hobby, exercise--whatever, isn't as important. Volunteer work is good in that it looks very much like Job Experience on a résumé ... is, in fact, work experience.

While you're keeping your eyes open for Opportunity, keep busy. Turn out product with your old Adobe. It's still product, still demonstrates what you're capable of, even if it isn't cutting-edge. Doing the best you can with what you have both demonstrates that you're a pragmatist & shows that you've been in the field for awhile.
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Old Sep 21, 2012, 10:41 PM
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The word "experience" is the killer for many job seekers. Education is not enough. The market is small and frustrating, I agree. I used to believe I had lots of skills but now after 30 years in the work force, I have re-worded and re-phrased my resumes to suit so many different jobs applied for...I don't even know who I am anymore, professionally speaking. Tons of education, on up to a university degree but this small town has nothing to offer and I have no money to get out of here.

Lots of hugs to you ladytiger. You are not alone in this.
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Old Sep 22, 2012, 05:15 AM
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I think developing a habit of daily (or at least regular) engagement with something is important ... whether that something be a job, volunteer work, a hobby, exercise--whatever, isn't as important. Volunteer work is good in that it looks very much like Job Experience on a résumé ... is, in fact, work experience.

While you're keeping your eyes open for Opportunity, keep busy. Turn out product with your old Adobe. It's still product, still demonstrates what you're capable of, even if it isn't cutting-edge. Doing the best you can with what you have both demonstrates that you're a pragmatist & shows that you've been in the field for awhile.
true. it may be work but now employers are using volunteer experience an excuse to look at that as real work because you are not getting paid! interesting, i found that out a couple months ago attending another set of workshops lol. it is really dirty out there i can do simple web design not the full extent of it.
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Old Sep 22, 2012, 06:02 AM
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Yes volunteer experience is the best way to start. I would agree: Search on your town well because there are many OF ASSOCIATIONS'S VOLUNTEERING...When you start to search, you will know how much people helps at the world and you can choose the best for your profile..

Start with that.
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Old Sep 22, 2012, 09:41 AM
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Is English a second language for you? You may need to practice more or get someone to proof read your cover letters.

Realize you do not deserve nor are you entitled to a job. No one is. You earn it.

Learn to adapt.

Accept that you will be doing many things you do not want to do.

Volunteering will help you get references. You'll have a hard time finding a job that you want if you have no references.
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Old Sep 22, 2012, 11:30 AM
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Yes volunteer experience is the best way to start. I would agree: Search on your town well because there are many OF ASSOCIATIONS'S VOLUNTEERING...When you start to search, you will know how much people helps at the world and you can choose the best for your profile..

Start with that.
nope maybe you did not read what i said. i will not volunteer theres no money in it. like i always ask how am i gonna get there with no means of money myself? i am talking about how am i gonna put gas in the car or get a bus pass? as i said i dont live in a close knit state things here are driven by car mostly and we have a lightrail system and bus.

until someone gives me something as to how am i gonna get to point A or B then ill be more incline to listen. volunteering has benefits but there is no rewarding benefits like a check to keep me getting to the job. i do not volunteer for a job i am volunteering to give me gratitude. will they give me a bus pass? no, unless i am a fully paid employee thats how it works.

always the same dumb advice go volunteer. money is more important to me sorry but people seem to forget in this economy how to pay the bills, we have a money system all over the world, so until there's a new way of getting around without money ooh id love to know that! i am amazed for most money is not an issue supposedly for unemployed people it should unless you got tons of money stashed away to the point you are not hurting and can live just fine until u get a job.

i think most "professionals" or unemployed people still got this ideology of if i volunteer i will get a job. i do agree it will get you references and connections but nobody can work 6 mos without a check. the job market is horrible yet ppl say oh go volunteer. well, i have my opinions just like everybody else and sorry to say, volunteering does not fit my situation right now. the advice out there needs to be better to fit people's situations not everybody can do the same thing as others to get by in this economy.
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Old Sep 22, 2012, 11:36 AM
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Is English a second language for you? You may need to practice more or get someone to proof read your cover letters.

Realize you do not deserve nor are you entitled to a job. No one is. You earn it.

Learn to adapt.

Accept that you will be doing many things you do not want to do.

Volunteering will help you get references. You'll have a hard time finding a job that you want if you have no references.
huh? who the hell said ESL for me? i have never said that nor i do not know where you are getting that from - maybe it is because i am not capitalizing or using punctuation but how does that indicate ESL for me? well, people do have a right to work.

did i miss something? when the **** did i say anything is wrong with my resume or cover letter? i do my own cover letters you will not believe how many idiots ruined it for me to the point i have to redo it myself. my resumes were made at the workforce connections, gov agencies, using their program on their computers. great program much better than anyone out there who has helped me add words/phrases to my resumes.

i took many different resume workshops and this one i took recently was far the best ever! i have tons and tons of job related packets that i use as a reference when doing my cover letters, i try not to ask someone to help me with my cover letters unless i really need it. i am very confident in my new functional resumes that i made better formats than what i was using previously.

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Old Sep 22, 2012, 03:38 PM
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nope maybe you did not read what i said. i will not volunteer theres no money in it. like i always ask how am i gonna get there with no means of money myself? i am talking about how am i gonna put gas in the car or get a bus pass? as i said i dont live in a close knit state things here are driven by car mostly and we have a lightrail system and bus.

until someone gives me something as to how am i gonna get to point A or B then ill be more incline to listen. volunteering has benefits but there is no rewarding benefits like a check to keep me getting to the job. i do not volunteer for a job i am volunteering to give me gratitude. will they give me a bus pass? no, unless i am a fully paid employee thats how it works.

always the same dumb advice go volunteer. money is more important to me sorry but people seem to forget in this economy how to pay the bills, we have a money system all over the world, so until there's a new way of getting around without money ooh id love to know that! i am amazed for most money is not an issue supposedly for unemployed people it should unless you got tons of money stashed away to the point you are not hurting and can live just fine until u get a job.

i think most "professionals" or unemployed people still got this ideology of if i volunteer i will get a job. i do agree it will get you references and connections but nobody can work 6 mos without a check. the job market is horrible yet ppl say oh go volunteer. well, i have my opinions just like everybody else and sorry to say, volunteering does not fit my situation right now. the advice out there needs to be better to fit people's situations not everybody can do the same thing as others to get by in this economy.

Yes, but you said you only knew to do a few things as weaving... so i go to explain you why i recommended to you volunteering.

You said you never will do volunteering why you need money and it is only for feeling gratified....Okey...but if you only know to do a few things...a very easy way to learn is definitely doing volunteering...and volunteering is not only a black and white question. A person can do volunteering first to help and second to learn new things. Life is not only black and white. If you open several doors you have more possibilities. You dont have to do only volunteering and moving your life about it. You can do volunteering while you are searching a real job,

If i dont try anything and i am at home saying everything is bad, then surely i dont pay my house.

That is all. It is not an ideology, it is an advice, you are free to follow or not.

A positive actitude is principal for anything you do. If i see negative things in each new option that it is offered, surely i never will find an opportunity.

And after all, i wish you the best and that soon you find a job and your life goes well.

Hugs.
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Old Sep 22, 2012, 07:25 PM
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Yes, but you said you only knew to do a few things as weaving... so i go to explain you why i recommended to you volunteering.

You said you never will do volunteering why you need money and it is only for feeling gratified....Okey...but if you only know to do a few things...a very easy way to learn is definitely doing volunteering...and volunteering is not only a black and white question. A person can do volunteering first to help and second to learn new things. Life is not only black and white. If you open several doors you have more possibilities. You dont have to do only volunteering and moving your life about it. You can do volunteering while you are searching a real job,

If i dont try anything and i am at home saying everything is bad, then surely i dont pay my house.

That is all. It is not an ideology, it is an advice, you are free to follow or not.

A positive actitude is principal for anything you do. If i see negative things in each new option that it is offered, surely i never will find an opportunity.

And after all, i wish you the best and that soon you find a job and your life goes well.

Hugs.
yea, i am working on a positive attitude. i realized something "no one deserves a job or entitled to one," then why look for work in your entire life in the first place? i do not follow the advice of volunteering too many people i have spoken too have not landed a job in nonprofit after x amount of times for volunteering...false hope the employers say?

again, nobody can not seem to answer the question on how am i exactly gonna get there with no means of money? i noticed in every job board i have been on, people seem to scurry away from that question and it seems they can not provide an answer.

i heard some info on obama is gonna make it public next month to go to war with iran and israel is preparing for war too. when that happens, say goodbye to more jobs being lost, more will be shipped over, and businesses will be laying more people off or going out of business. when that happens even more, how is anyone suppose to pay their bills once their UI benefits and other assets run out? i'd say we all need to really prepare on what's gonna happen soon...

a hard question nobody can answer. well, about the job market, i am just saying what i have been told in the recent workshops i have attended and my own research. wellllll......the method i am doing is just plain boring there's no info i can get after talking to many different people it seems to be info that fits them but doesn't fit me!
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Old Sep 22, 2012, 07:29 PM
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Why look for a job if you're not entitled to one? To earn and contribute.

No means of money? Get a job.

The ESL question was based on the way you wrote your post, perhaps a night school course can help you with your communication skills.
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Old Sep 23, 2012, 06:08 PM
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Why look for a job if you're not entitled to one? To earn and contribute.

No means of money? Get a job.

The ESL question was based on the way you wrote your post, perhaps a night school course can help you with your communication skills.
oh yea just get a job have you been seeing what's going on in this country/economy? i am a college graduate from 2 yrs ago already took 2 communication courses that were fun. i am not interested in getting at it with a grammar nazi so what if i am not typing correctly using the correct english grammar? you know what i found out about english? it is a babylonian language (slave language) and it is confused hebrew not a real english language to begin with. english grammar with its 15k exceptions now i understand fully why foreigners would rather speak in their language because they don't have all of these exceptions like the english language does and id rather speak another language anyway.

there ya have it! i am not gonna comment on school when i already said the issue i have with the university i was attending. i don't repeat myself more than twice, don't get it then that is not my fault. so get a job huh? riiiiight.....had 2-3 interviews last year and one interview this july. u sound like the other idiots i have spoken to on this job issue. how do u get a job when your either not getting any call backs or emails from the employer?

if i dont hear from them after i have done my part, i move on i am not wasting my time. if i hear from them i do but if not i don't simple as that. they have gotten smarter now, use an email system to email you telling you if your qualified we will contact you. a cheap method so their phone lines won't be blocked by job seekers calling about their application status.

i have seen tons of things in the job market that they are doing that i have never seen before. its appalling to see and not fair im not gonna waste my time writing to dept of labor when they mostly side with employers anyway. no means of money, again how the hell am i gonna either drive or bus it to the location i need to go? never had to worry about this before 08. i dont know why this is a merry go round and hard for you or the other idiots i have spoken to to understand the situation i am in. i am not speaking for other people out there on their issues only speaking for mine and mine only.

just as bad as going to the workforce connections on this very same question and they don't have an answer either. nobody can't get a job, i dont know about you and your situation, but this is not year 2000 when you told someone you need money? go get a job and it was simple wrote a half *** resume and did a half *** interview you got a job!

this is sad the first half of my question didn't even get answered noticed how that was skipped so fast! ive been to enough workshops and gov workshops. its bad cuz i keep borrowing money from people to pay for my gas. you dont live in the same state as i do and i would never dream of giving advice to someone from another state and tell them their job market is so great and perfect when that is not even true.

im not surprised anymore lack of support, are you for romney or something? 47% percent are so lazy and don't wanna work! there's so many tricks and other crap the employers are pulling that makes it way too difficult to see if you have a chance working with them or not. i dont know about you but the ppl i have spoken to in the streets are really not happy and one guy i talked to told me ive been out of work for 4 yrs, wanna tell him get a job it is so simple? hes much older than me almost in his 40s so age discrimination and too much experience is what he is facing.

try attending these workshops that i have been too and you will see what i am talking about some things in there i don't agree with, but other info was good too. like i said getting a job now is not as easy like you want to believe not with unemployment still high. oh remember, the economy is so great with unemployment going down everybody must be getting jobs right?! everybody boasts about these people supposedly getting jobs.

nobody takes into consideration that there are those who gave up, won't qualified for UI benefits, or simply lost their benefits and couldn't reinstate them also include underemployed also who still can not get a job and i fit in that department; even though i have an AAS degree.

you can not be getting jobs and unemployment is still high and companies leaving left and right. what reality is people living in? talk about brainwash this country has been that way for a long time...
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Old Sep 23, 2012, 06:54 PM
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Sincerely...are you interested in a career in public service or with the military? You have expressed an interest in IT, as well as the fact that you would like to do something of interest that does not require you to use a vehicle to get to and from whatever job or volunteering position...

You sould quite intelligent. You have a college degree. You have valid questions. You see where the country in headed. You are young. How about applying for a position with the armed services? In an administrative position...once you have passed your intelligence and physical fitness requirements...and then basic. Just a thought. And it would blow your parents minds in terms of gaining independence.

All you have to do is walk through the door. It is wide open.

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