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Hi there just wanted some advice really about my DD and what i should do now if anything
here is her history: she is 8 we first had concerns about her behavior when she was in reception, aged 4, nearly 5. The teachers told us she would get easily frustrated and hit/smack/pull hair if another child wanted a toy she had or she wanted it. They also noticed that she would fidget, be silly, was described at one point as being the class clown because she would feed off the other kids reactions when she was silly. She would also refuse to do school work and during her first parent meeting we were told they were unable to assess because of her behaviour and refusal to do any school work. She would also throw a wobbly at home when asked to read a book for homework too. at home she would always hit/punch/kick her brother and boss him about and get cross if he didnt play a game her way. She usually hit him with a toy or something she could find rather than her fist. We had big problems with the school as they seemed to be more interested in what our home life was than our daughter. We did smack back then and I told the behavior specialist in confidence and did go on 2 parenting courses. In y1 aged 6 our daughter carried on disrupting the class and hitting kids in the playground, i only have a vague outline of this as the school failed to tell us anything about her schooling till 6 months into y1 and there excuse was because we hit her they were afraid we would tell her off and continue to hit her. we only smacked our child through her clothes and never left a mark. Anyway, we were hauled in the office, threatened that if we smacked her again they would call social services and that if she carried on with her behavior they didn't want her at that school so I took her out and found another school place the same week. At the new school they treated us and her differently but I found out on the first day that the other school had reported us to social services anyway as she was at risk because we took her out regardless that she had another school place. The new school was really supportive and dealt with our daughter in the classroom rather than marching to her to head's office all the time as they did in the last school. But our daughter continued to be silly in class and hit a few children too. When the man from social services came round he took one look at her running about and said she was hyperactive and he referred her to a childrens centre. But during the rest of her time in y1 she calmed down a bit and we thought she was doing ok so declined the referral. In y2 aged 7 our daughter was in a different class with a man teacher who was quite strict but even he kept telling us she would not sit still on the carpet, she would be silly, disrupt the other children and he sometimes had to sit on her table to keep her focused. She would also be aggressive in the playground and hit younger children if they were annoying her. We since moved house and area and she moved schools again and the same thing iwas occurring as in the second school, they are supportive but again she has a strict teacher who still finds our daughter difficult to handle. (we do have a 6 year old son, and he changed schools with our daughter this year too but he adjusted brilliantly and although it took him a week or too to make friends he is happy and settled now) where as our daughter made friends straight away as she is very outgoing and lively but she finds it hard to keep them. she would chase the boys in the playground and after being told off will continue to annoy. she doesn't always listen to what we say, especially if she has had a fight with her brother and he has thrown the last punch, she has to seek revenge she cant walk away until she has hit him back. :at year in year 2 at the school she is in now she sometimes did her homework but we learnt not to push her because she would get angry and throw things, run out of the house, sit in the road. she also didn't think much of herself, she would say she is rubbish, useless and sometimes says she should die. we had a real roller-coaster of a ride the last 3 years, we have seen our daughter pull her hair out in clumps, hit herself on the head, grab a knife, it has been scary, upsetting and stressful to say the least. from september she went into year 3 and her new teacher seems more understanding and patient and her behavior has calmed down both at home and at school, i believe the way she is treated at school whether it is positive or negative effects her behavior at home (not sure if anyone else has had that experience). I was told on another forum that children with adhd can go through honeymoon periods where they are calm and pretty well behaved and this can last weeks to a whole school year. my DD doesn't like school work, she gets bored and has to be encouraged to do her homework or will do it but rush it and not take any pride in it and doesn't care if it's a mess, she is really good at spelling but misses out words or adds words when reading and doesn't really like to read, she is ok in maths but forgets her times tables, and finds maths hard sometimes. She is very outgoing and talks to everyone, she plays in psychical games loudly and gets annoyed when others don't play her way, she is bossy, obsessed with touching our cat lol, hits her brother, gets angry, tells me she looses concentration in class and has to ask her friends what she is supposed to be doing, has messy writing, doesn't think much of herself, has low self esteem, is silly and shows off when we did a mother daughter parenting course, runs around shops, short fuse. But after months of trying to get help, she was assessed by a specialist 4 months ago and we filled in questionnaires, the learning mentor at the school said she thought my DD had ADHD, but today we went back for the results and was told the school have said they think she is fine and the specialist has said the same! he said today she is fine,looks like it's just a problem at home, i can do no more, that's it. but if that was the case how come she has a file a mile long with incidents going back from her first school, through her second to her third? would have been nice to have had an explanation about why she was like this, it could be that she was immature and i know she is not academic, so perhaps it has taken her so long to accept having to do school work but to be told nope she's fine goodbye with no answer is frustrating what do you think, should we just be pleased we have been told she is ok and forget all that has happened in the last 3 or more years just because she is doing well this year, but what if September comes and her new teacher isn't so accommodating and she starts misbehaving should we just shrug it off as we have been told she is fine. any advice or comments please? |
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What a struggle you''ve been through! After reading your post, several questions and thoughts come to mind:
First, in the paragraph below, you said your DD was assessed by a specialist. What kind of a specialist? (Pediatrician, child psychiatrist, child or education psychologist, counselor, other?) Based upon what you've written, I'd want a second opinion and, maybe, a third, even if I have to pay for them myself and not wait for the school to handle it. It took my sister several years and several specialists to get a diagnosis for my nephew, who, finally, was diagnosed with Tourette's, ADHD, Asperger's, and hypothyroidism. (Has your daughter's thyroid level been checked?) Next, who gave you the "results" and what form did they take (oral, written, charts, etc.)? (It sounds as if you were not given results directly by the specialist or school.) You need a thorough explanation that addresses each of the questionable behaviors. Don't let them put you off with a bunch of technical language. Insist on a clear detailed explanation. Obviously your DD is not "fine." You are her mother; you know. Certain behaviors such as hitting other students could, to a degree, reflect disciplinary behavior at home, but the combination of other behaviors you described--having difficulty sitting, being highly distractible, being social but having difficulty keeping friends--sounds more like ADHD or a related biochemical disorder. Suggesting there is a problem at home is not an acceptable explanation for those behaviors. Finally, I can see you're a caring mom, but you've said nothing about individual or family counseling. It might be something you'd want to consider. Your health system is so different from ours, and I have no idea where mental health is in the picture, but, if counseling is an option, it might be another avenue to getting a realistic diagnosis and/or getting some relief for your child and your family. Keep fighting for your child! Don't let the school system--or the specialists--put you off as they will do! You know there's a bigger problem! At the same time, continue doing what you can to change the climate at home as it sounds like you've been trying to do. Your child needs one quiet place free of distractions that she can feel safe and calm. Good luck to you! My son was diagnosed with ADHD when he was six. I was not as good an advocate for him as I could have been. I found that out years later when I was diagnosed with ADHD myself. If you believe your daughter has biochemical behavior issues, read all you can on the subject. Don't give up. Driven to Distraction by James Hallowell is a good place to start. But after months of trying to get help, she was assessed by a specialist 4 months ago and we filled in questionnaires, the learning mentor at the school said she thought my DD had ADHD, but today we went back for the results and was told the school have said they think she is fine and the specialist has said the same! |
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thank you for the reply leefygreetree
she was assessed by a pediatric Dr who specializes in adhd and autism, his so called assessment was to talk to us in his office while watching out of the corner of his eye my DD draw pictures and interact with her brother which ended in her thumping him. and he sent questionnaires too the school and that is it, he was the one who gave me the results but i was not given any paperwork, charts or anything just verbal. I have been on 4 parenting courses and one of them included my DD attending and doing things separately and together too. no medical has ever been done to check for anything else either. can children with adhd have long periods of calm behavior in and out of school, with no major tantrums? |
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An example of delayed development becoming a problem is in preteen children who show signs of ODD (Oppositional Defiance Disorder). Some children around six or seven years old behave in a hyperactive manner and become unruly and disobedient. Then at about eight or nine years of age this behavior dies off and they become normal children again.
This dysfunctional behavior can be explained by the child being stressed by school before they are ready, as they have not completed their development to the level of their peers. This behavior would then be a type of self defense coping mechanism. When the development phase has been completed the child calms down as s/he can then cope. this seems so true of my DD |
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Hi,
It seems that you are a good mother and your daughter a good kid. Keep on trying to find out what is going on and what you can do to make things better. I feel that society wants that cookie cutter kid that sits quietly in class, does what they are told and is well behaved but that is not realistic. Your child may or not have ADHD but she surely needs some extra attention at school. Does the school she is attending now have a program such as IEP? I am not sure what the acronym stands for but it helps children that may have learning disabilities or disorders such as ADHD. My child has been under IEP since she was 6 years old and it has helped tremendously. They allow children to take tests in a separate rooms, give them a para professional and things such as that. I don't know if this helps you at all but I am hoping and praying that things will be better for both of you. Jackie ]Hi there just wanted some advice really about my DD and what i should do now if anything here is her history: she is 8 we first had concerns about her behavior when she was in reception, aged 4, nearly 5. The teachers told us she would get easily frustrated and hit/smack/pull hair if another child wanted a toy she had or she wanted it. They also noticed that she would fidget, be silly, was described at one point as being the class clown because she would feed off the other kids reactions when she was silly. She would also refuse to do school work and during her first parent meeting we were told they were unable to assess because of her behaviour and refusal to do any school work. She would also throw a wobbly at home when asked to read a book for homework too. at home she would always hit/punch/kick her brother and boss him about and get cross if he didnt play a game her way. She usually hit him with a toy or something she could find rather than her fist. We had big problems with the school as they seemed to be more interested in what our home life was than our daughter. We did smack back then and I told the behavior specialist in confidence and did go on 2 parenting courses. In y1 aged 6 our daughter carried on disrupting the class and hitting kids in the playground, i only have a vague outline of this as the school failed to tell us anything about her schooling till 6 months into y1 and there excuse was because we hit her they were afraid we would tell her off and continue to hit her. we only smacked our child through her clothes and never left a mark. Anyway, we were hauled in the office, threatened that if we smacked her again they would call social services and that if she carried on with her behavior they didn't want her at that school so I took her out and found another school place the same week. At the new school they treated us and her differently but I found out on the first day that the other school had reported us to social services anyway as she was at risk because we took her out regardless that she had another school place. The new school was really supportive and dealt with our daughter in the classroom rather than marching to her to head's office all the time as they did in the last school. But our daughter continued to be silly in class and hit a few children too. When the man from social services came round he took one look at her running about and said she was hyperactive and he referred her to a childrens centre. But during the rest of her time in y1 she calmed down a bit and we thought she was doing ok so declined the referral. In y2 aged 7 our daughter was in a different class with a man teacher who was quite strict but even he kept telling us she would not sit still on the carpet, she would be silly, disrupt the other children and he sometimes had to sit on her table to keep her focused. She would also be aggressive in the playground and hit younger children if they were annoying her. We since moved house and area and she moved schools again and the same thing iwas occurring as in the second school, they are supportive but again she has a strict teacher who still finds our daughter difficult to handle. (we do have a 6 year old son, and he changed schools with our daughter this year too but he adjusted brilliantly and although it took him a week or too to make friends he is happy and settled now) where as our daughter made friends straight away as she is very outgoing and lively but she finds it hard to keep them. she would chase the boys in the playground and after being told off will continue to annoy. she doesn't always listen to what we say, especially if she has had a fight with her brother and he has thrown the last punch, she has to seek revenge she cant walk away until she has hit him back. :at year in year 2 at the school she is in now she sometimes did her homework but we learnt not to push her because she would get angry and throw things, run out of the house, sit in the road. she also didn't think much of herself, she would say she is rubbish, useless and sometimes says she should die. we had a real roller-coaster of a ride the last 3 years, we have seen our daughter pull her hair out in clumps, hit herself on the head, grab a knife, it has been scary, upsetting and stressful to say the least. from september she went into year 3 and her new teacher seems more understanding and patient and her behavior has calmed down both at home and at school, i believe the way she is treated at school whether it is positive or negative effects her behavior at home (not sure if anyone else has had that experience). I was told on another forum that children with adhd can go through honeymoon periods where they are calm and pretty well behaved and this can last weeks to a whole school year. my DD doesn't like school work, she gets bored and has to be encouraged to do her homework or will do it but rush it and not take any pride in it and doesn't care if it's a mess, she is really good at spelling but misses out words or adds words when reading and doesn't really like to read, she is ok in maths but forgets her times tables, and finds maths hard sometimes. She is very outgoing and talks to everyone, she plays in psychical games loudly and gets annoyed when others don't play her way, she is bossy, obsessed with touching our cat lol, hits her brother, gets angry, tells me she looses concentration in class and has to ask her friends what she is supposed to be doing, has messy writing, doesn't think much of herself, has low self esteem, is silly and shows off when we did a mother daughter parenting course, runs around shops, short fuse. But after months of trying to get help, she was assessed by a specialist 4 months ago and we filled in questionnaires, the learning mentor at the school said she thought my DD had ADHD, but today we went back for the results and was told the school have said they think she is fine and the specialist has said the same! he said today she is fine,looks like it's just a problem at home, i can do no more, that's it. but if that was the case how come she has a file a mile long with incidents going back from her first school, through her second to her third? would have been nice to have had an explanation about why she was like this, it could be that she was immature and i know she is not academic, so perhaps it has taken her so long to accept having to do school work but to be told nope she's fine goodbye with no answer is frustrating what do you think, should we just be pleased we have been told she is ok and forget all that has happened in the last 3 or more years just because she is doing well this year, but what if September comes and her new teacher isn't so accommodating and she starts misbehaving should we just shrug it off as we have been told she is fine. any advice or comments please?[/QUOTE] |
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It sounds like ADD to me, too (unprofessional though my opinion is!) I too would go for a second opinion, or at least request that some tests such as the scores of everday attention (something like that) be given.
Push for more. Your daughter definitely deserves more investigation that what she has had. |
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Hello! I feel for you, I know it is difficult dealing with a child with ADHD. I would independently from the school, go see a specialist. Go to county mental health agency (if you are in the states) and schedule an intake then a psychological evlauation, meet with a therapist and a psychiatrist. That way if they tell you she is fine you know it is not the school pressuring anyone to say so!
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hi there
thanks for the replies we are in the uk. she is doing ok, and like i mentioned in my first post this school year she is alot better with hardly no real tantrums as such since august last year but it still doesn't explain her behavior before then. At the moment she tells me she has only 1 friend at school who she is possessive of and if her friend goes to play with someone else she walks around the playground crying. she also is a very slow reader and we have great difficulty trying to get her to redo pages of text to help her fluency and to correct her mistakes because she doesn't like to make an effort with school work at home. she apparently she gets told off a little for talking alot in class and gets moved to a table by herself. she also has always and still is obsessed with our cat lol and will follow him everywhere, pick him up pull him about, and even hurt him sometimes. these behaviors are the norm with her on a daily basis. we are at present no seeking a second opinion but are going to see how the year goes as come September it will be interesting to see how she reacts to a different teacher and their teaching style. we were told last school year that her SAT results were 2c/2b and she still is 2b so not sure whether she is progressing or treading water but she is meant to reach level 2a by July so we will see what happens there |
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