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Old Jul 14, 2012, 10:58 AM
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It is first I hear that 12 step recovery aa is the most effective means. Where did you get that data? And no, social acceptability of coffee is not equal to social acceptability of alcohol - I can sit in a business meeting with a cup of coffee but not with a glass of vodka. Don't you see the diff?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effecti...lics_Anonymous

a very good, thorough article

I won't post anymore - thanks Dubblemonkey

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I think you intimated earlier in a thread that you were virtually required to drink coffee to keep your job. If that's truly the case, you have a lawsuit against the group directing that as an order. Caffeine is one of the most psycho-active drugs available; it would be the equivalent of demanding that one drink alcohol to work.", no, I did not intimate that, I said that I was falling asleep on the job, would you as an employer keep an employee who falls asleep? My company is a typical Silicon Valley company, and as typical for this Valley, it runs on coffee, it offers free coffee knowing how important this energy fuel is, and the hacker who is responsible for the siteup of this forum most likely drinks several cups of coffee during his or her day on the job so indirectly you consume someone's coffee-fueled energy, just as you probably consume novels by Jane Austen - novels that she most likely wrote whilst drinking caffeinated tea. And no, the analogy to acne and other side effects is not valid - I seek a counteragent for the side effects and sometimes I find it (hypothyroidism and acne are virtually taken care of so that I can continue with Lithium) and sometimes I do not. But I seek. It is a valid request to find a counteragent for sleepiness that is socially acceptable. It may be that siesta is the best, most physiological treatment for midday sleepiness and research backs it up but it is not culturally, socially acceptable in Silicon Valley which is where I need to survive. If you would like to respond, please do so on my thread dedicated to caffeine, not here. Thank you.
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Your thread on caffeine is not readily available to me.

The similarity between being required to drink caffeine or alcohol is simply this: both are psycho-active drugs, both have side effects, some more serious for some than for others. Alcoholics cannot use alcohol if they wish to be in remission. Caffeine sensitive individuals cannot use caffeine if they wish to maintain avoidance of injury to themselves physically and psychologically. Both are addictive.

I do not read Jane Austen's novels. I did just finish the life of a saint, however.

You are seeking "a counteragent for the side effects" (sic)of drugs. Hampster, that's exactly what I have been trying to help caffeine sensitive people do for years. Some have successfully achieved that. I know that one of their techniques was the removal of caffeine and another aspect of it was the addition of more alkaline foods in the diet. What else they did to overcome their difficulties, I wouldn't know. But I can only assume that it was the omission of caffeine from their diet that played a significant role. It did for me, too, but then there are degrees of bipolar severity and again and again, what works for one won't work for another.

I understand clearly that you must have caffeine in order to remain alert on the job.

Your website doesn't open as it is posted. Other persons associated with Alcoholics Anonymous have a different take on the role of AA in remission of alcoholism. The
work which used to be called "The Big Book", now called "Alcoholics Anonymous" has a very touching personal view of the value of the 12-step recovery program from
doctors and patients who have used the program successfully in treating the illness.
Dr. Kathleen DesMaissons has also had real effectiveness in her work with alcoholic
remission.

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Old Jul 14, 2012, 11:37 AM
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My thread on caffeine is at http://forums.psychcentral.com/showthread.php?t=236019. I thought you knew it since you referred to something I "intimated" on that thread. So if you would like to discuss, please move there. Thank you.
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Old Aug 08, 2012, 06:30 AM
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I drink coffee out of necessity, not enjoyment. The necessity is exacerbated by the intake of psychothropic drugs. Since many people on this forum simultaneously work outside the home and take psych meds, the need for caffeine is especially pronounced. I have a thread about that, and from the multitude of responses and approaches you can gauge that it is not a fringe problem. A blanket, unrealistic prohibition is not welcome in such circumstances. As for the interplay between caffeine and metabolic disorders, I have never heard of that even though I am fairly read up on diabetes, and stand ready to be educated, therefore. Going back to the beginning, I am very glad you realize that loss of enjoyment is a consideration of great importance before issuing lifestyle-changing recommendation.

And some things are not "good for you", but well are part of life. There is a joke that if you don't smoke, drink, eat unhealthy and have sex, you not gonna live longer, but it will certainly feel so...

I think reasonable vices are okay, as long as you have them under control. And yes, some of us "need" coffee to wake the hell up in the morning. I know what I can handle by now, and I am gonna follow that...
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Old Aug 08, 2012, 12:59 PM
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Ideas for stabilizing:
exercise (even if that means parking further away)

Healthy cheap fast food: If you ask for a complementary water it's a kid's size water.
(helps me when I'm depressed or busy)
Burger king: $1 side salad
Mc Donalds: grilles snack wrap -sauce (for me at least) + lettuce, tomato $1.50 usually.
Wendy's: potato w/ side of cheese $1.50

get a therapist if you can

find a quiet venue to go to when depressed just to force yourself out, pottery place w/ $4 tiles is mine.

Find a safe mania place, national parks mine.
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Old Aug 08, 2012, 02:48 PM
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My mood swings are terrible today and I have done all the suggestions taught an exercise class at the senior center this am reached out to others ate healthly and still my mind is filled with dark thoughts of yes I am taking my medication I can bearly go on
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Old Aug 08, 2012, 03:37 PM
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My guess, plumapplepear, is that you've had something that has become toxic for you temporarily. Try drinking a squeezed lemon in cold water. Lemon is a detoxifier of the liver and works for me. It might for you.

I hope you feel better soon; it will disappear, so just help it along with lots of purified water and lemon juice--fresh, please.

Take care.
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