Armed teachers?

Confusedinomicon · Dec 26, 2012, 12:40 AM

Gun culture breeds use of guns.

Irken Invader Tak · Dec 26, 2012, 01:33 AM

What if the teachers are insane? The solution is not more guns.

Yoda · Dec 26, 2012, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Anika.

And interestingly enough every other species that hunts other species does so with out man made weapons.

I don't quite follow your logic here.

Yoda · Dec 26, 2012, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by morethingswrong

Blue, trust me I do understand how you feel...

I do feel schools should have to Buzz in system to let people in school and I think an officer should be on site.. will it stop all attacks? No.. but it sure would not hurt.

12 years ago while I lived in Tampa Florida walking to my car I was mugged thrown to the ground with a gun to my head and beaten up bad that I spent a few days in the hospital .. these "thugs" I had seen walking around the apartment complex before my attack... I filed a police report .. yes they finally were arrested just as my last bruises started to fade.

I went out a few days later and bought a gun and took all the training classes possible, I have a carry permit.. and I carried my gun from that day forward.. 6 mos or so after I was mugged and beaten... Another of gang 6-8 of them came walking towards me in broad daylight in the damn parking lot again... they got with in 6 feet of me .. I asked them to leave me along ... they told me what they planned to do to me.. I said try it .. they started coming at me and I pulled up my gun... I fired a shot right in front of there feet they jumped back.. I held that gun on them , the gun shot alerted others and help came ..

My point is ... Not all people who hold guns are bad..

Taking away guns from people like me ... is ridiculous. The thugs and criminals will still have guns.

The people that seem to do these horrific acts .. Some how it comes out after wards they all had some kind of " mental illness" I say make treatment of Mental illness treatment available to everyone whether they can pay or not.

I have a semi automatic I take when I go for walks on my land and woods.. we have packs of feral dogs and coyotes and feral hogs .. When they come at me .. I am really glad I have a clip of 20 bullets to shoot at a group of 10-15 snarling animals coming after me.

I'm sorry I have strong opinions about this situation.. I'm sure its due to my being attacked and beaten. If guns are taken away from people like me .. the thugs will still have them.

I will not say anything else about this topic as it seems I am the only one who feels like this.

Again this is only my opinion and I will shut up now!

I, like you, have experienced the need for a gun for my own protection. You buy a gun and learn how to safely and competently use it and hope you will never need it but it is there if you do need it, kind of like a fire extinguisher - I hope I don't have a fire in my house but if I do I am prepared.

I do not think that teachers should be required to carry guns in schools but I do think that teachers and other people working within the school should be allowed to carry their personal guns if they have completed appropriate training.

faerie_moon_x · Dec 26, 2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cocoabeans

Arm the teachers and the next thing we hear is a teacher shot the school.

I agree with this. Sorry to say it, but teachers are human and not all of them love their jobs or the kids that they teach. I've had enough disgruntled, aparently broken down teachers in my school career to know they exist.

Or, you'll hear how a student was able to get one of these guns. Or a janitor or something else. Putting guns into schools isn't a good idea.

In high school (pre-Columbine) we always had a security guard and an actual armed officer at our school every day. But, my high school was huge and had a complicated hallway system, (the architect was famous for building prisons.... no joke!) I can only imagine being trapped in there....

And, sadly, this is not the first time this has happened and it's happened outside the States. Here is a link to informaton about it. But it was some pretty major and terrifying stuff happening in China. And, it didn't involve guns but knives, hammers.... well... gun control is important but, so is being able to get proper treatment for mental health issues. I'm not saying all mentally ill people are dangerous (obviously not) but there is that 1% or whatever that are, and having a better system for getting help either for yourself or your loved ones is needed, and I don't have an answer on how to do that. And that includes people who are ill by stress induced reasons. Because, this type of violence requires some type of break from reality or rationality, especially from people who were previously not violent at all. But here's the link.

WARNING: VERY TRIGGERING LINK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_...0%E2%80%932012)

manicminer · Dec 26, 2012, 06:43 PM

Teachers with guns is certainly not the answer. Although some would say this is more security, you must put on your doomsday cap and run through the potential devasting scenarios this could bring about.
The teacher is not an individual trained in personal defense with a firearm. If an intruder would enter the classroom with students and an armed teacher, there are far too many mistakes that could occur. Such a show of force could envoke an even more violent reaction from the intruder.
If the teacher were to fire upon the intruder this would more than likely provoke return fire with the students caught in the crossfire.
The intruder, as in the latest case, has most likely been training for this type of resistence and could disarm the teacher, putting the teacher's and childrens' lives in greater danger and only add to the intruder's firepower.

Trained, armed police officers, especially those with hostage negotiations training, with the power to arrest on site and use deadly force if necessary should be the first choice for added, armed security at any public place, particularly schools.

Anika. · Dec 26, 2012, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda

I don't quite follow your logic here.

The logic is that we humans tend to use man made violent weapons and justify hunting with them to do so. If you are a hunter or pro gun you would probably not agree or see this how I do. I actually do not believe in stocking animals and killing them with things like guns. I understand that others do hunt and enjoy it but it is not something I personally can get on board with.

We see humans as innocent and off bounds for killing, but not other species. And we don't fight fair in doing so.

I dont expect people to agree, but thats my opinion. Basically Yoda I am just not pro intentional killing, especially if there is not a dire need based on survival. I dont bother people who hunt with my opinion or voice it very loudly ever, I understand people all feel differently but that is how I feel.

flipchart · 05:28 AM

No, I don't want to see armed teachers. Guns are instruments and symbols of power that have the function to intimidate those who want to do you harm. This might be beneficial in a warzone with countless enemy soldiers around you. In a school they would also intimidate the majority of students and discourage them from learning because they will be afraid of their teacher. And I personally think, that the presence of armed policemen on school premises also contributes to an atmosphere of fear.

I know that some of the killers sought for help before they started their rampage but never got it, were not listened to or taken seriously. So the answer cannot be guns but more psychologically trained counsellors. And not one counsellor for 500 kids and teachers, but one for 50. That's were the money should go.

flipchart · Dec 27, 2012, 07:22 AM

"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it."
(Albert Einstein)

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