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Old Oct 13, 2013, 10:32 PM
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I hope anyone that has had a loved one or have experienced mania can help. My best friend has been under severe stress for quite some time now. In the past five days, he went from being obsessed over starting his own coop and getting anyone and everyone involved. He is obviously manic at this point...hasn't slept in 5 days, won't eat. Acting very erratic. Not making sense. Saying everyone that he's pitched his idea to is just low functioning or stupid because they don't understand how his idea will work. When I told him I wouldn't invest he accused me of not loving him enough as a friend and betraying him. I called a mental health hospital and that gave me a number to call. I called it and they said they would have to here the information from the sister he lives with. I gave her the number and also requested a welfare check on him. He wasn't at home when the police showed up and I have no idea what's going on. Is there anything more you can suggest to do that will help him. He refuses to think he has a problem. Any thought, comments or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

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Old Oct 14, 2013, 12:37 AM
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It sounds like you have done all the things anyone can do to try and get him help, you might have the sister try again to get a CIT team to come again while he is home to try and check on him but unless he does something to get picked up, his sister or someone else in his family may need to go a legal route to get him help. It is very hard to convince someone in a manic state that something is wrong with them and that they need help.
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 01:45 AM
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It is VERY difficult to get a manic person down off the moon......in fact, you can't do it yourself, and of course the manic person has no insight at all into his/her condition so it's like talking to a brick wall. (Or so my family says.)

I think the welfare check is OK but unless your friend is creating a public disturbance or acting out in ways that are dangerous to him and/or others, there's not much the authorities can (or will) do for him. Eventually, he will come down and that's when he'll need you the most, because mania louses up people's lives like nothing else and they are usually remorseful to a fault when they realize how destructive their behavior has been.
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He's not going to recognize it at this point. If he does he wont admit it. Try not to say anything that could cause agitation. Right now he needs to view you on his side. Call his sister and see if she has called yet. If not have him take you to the ER because you have to get an x-ray. If he'll take you while your alone in triage explain what's going on. Anything else is really depending on your relationship with him. I know a lot of times I get treated like a 4 yr old throwing a tantrum at those points and everything is done to keep me contained and safe until it passes.
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 06:43 AM
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It sounds like you have done all the things anyone can do to try and get him help, you might have the sister try again to get a CIT team to come again while he is home to try and check on him but unless he does something to get picked up, his sister or someone else in his family may need to go a legal route to get him help. It is very hard to convince someone in a manic state that something is wrong with them and that they need help.
Thank you. I just wanted to know any other way to help him. I guess you're right, I've done all I can. I've asked his sister to keep in touch with me but had no choice after yesterday but to sever our relationship. I have a lot of emotional problems myself and I just can't deal with him like this. I will tell her what you suggest.

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Old Oct 14, 2013, 06:50 AM
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It is VERY difficult to get a manic person down off the moon......in fact, you can't do it yourself, and of course the manic person has no insight at all into his/her condition so it's like talking to a brick wall. (Or so my family says.)

I think the welfare check is OK but unless your friend is creating a public disturbance or acting out in ways that are dangerous to him and/or others, there's not much the authorities can (or will) do for him. Eventually, he will come down and that's when he'll need you the most, because mania louses up people's lives like nothing else and they are usually remorseful to a fault when they realize how destructive their behavior has been.
Yes, thank you. I was surprised the police would even go out there because I specifically told them he was not a physical threat to himself at the moment, nor to anyone else. I told him Saturday for the first time that he was manic, and apparently was not the first time he'd heard it. He spent Saturday and Sunday throwing it back in my face. So I didn't mention it again. But just tried to convince him to sleep to get a chance to at least rest and not feel so overwhelmed. Each night he has promised and each morning he's calling me early and telling me he's too busy to sleep. I stopped even trying to correct what he was saying and was just trying to get him to drop me off at my car without more incident.
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 06:54 AM
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He's not going to recognize it at this point. If he does he wont admit it. Try not to say anything that could cause agitation. Right now he needs to view you on his side. Call his sister and see if she has called yet. If not have him take you to the ER because you have to get an x-ray. If he'll take you while your alone in triage explain what's going on. Anything else is really depending on your relationship with him. I know a lot of times I get treated like a 4 yr old throwing a tantrum at those points and everything is done to keep me contained and safe until it passes.
Thanks. That is a good suggestion. I can't do it. He doesn't want anything to do with me right now because I wouldn't help him with his coop. Although within 5-10 minutes he's convinced I'm a part of it again. I'll suggest it to his sister next time she calls. Good suggestion.
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 08:59 PM
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Update: just spoke to some professionals that said that until he does something that would get him picked up by police. Or threatens to harm himself or others, there's not much they can do. It is up to his sister to call the local mental health team that will evaluate him. Please take a moment and send your thoughts upward for him to be able to get help.
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Old Oct 15, 2013, 02:39 AM
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It's extreme to send police to his home, just for some creative excited idea about a new business... He wasn't a danger to himself or others. Many bipolar people are entrepreneurs, how do you think we come up with our stuff? Some ideas are flops, but plenty turn into something great. Police at my home for that, we wouldn't be friends anymore. Just me. There's probably more to the story like he must have a history of violence or self harm or something. I'm sorry, no offense meant, but I would be very upset if police came because I have "crazy" ideas... They'd be here every day.

Also - you still wanted a ride from him, so you trust him enough to drive a vehicle, he must be safe enough on the road. But then calling police....
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Old Oct 17, 2013, 11:13 AM
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It's extreme to send police to his home, just for some creative excited idea about a new business... He wasn't a danger to himself or others. Many bipolar people are entrepreneurs, how do you think we come up with our stuff? Some ideas are flops, but plenty turn into something great. Police at my home for that, we wouldn't be friends anymore. Just me. There's probably more to the story like he must have a history of violence or self harm or something. I'm sorry, no offense meant, but I would be very upset if police came because I have "crazy" ideas... They'd be here every day.

Also - you still wanted a ride from him, so you trust him enough to drive a vehicle, he must be safe enough on the road. But then calling police....
Excitement was the previous week. Mania and wanting people to join an illegal pyramid scheme and not taking me home when I told him to was not okay. Verbally abusing me was not okay. Grabbing my arm was not okay. I had called the police only for a welfare check. Not realizing that they couldn't do anything because I had made it clear he was not suicidal or physically threatening to anyone. Apparently, after the other day, I guess I was wrong about that. I know now all I can do is distance myself from him and make sure I'm not around it.
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