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Old Dec 04, 2013, 11:48 PM
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This has bothered me for a while. I was told I was manic by two different people because of the things I was saying, but I was sleeping at least 6 hours the whole several month period.

My mood can get very high at times, but the last time it happened and was hospitalized, my cognition and perceptions were significantly altered, and I appeared grandiose because I was enthusiastic about my revelations. My overall energy, appetite, and ability to sleep didn't change much, but I was focused on writing and refining my way of going about enlightening the world for most of the time--keeping to myself and not talking about it much.

The only time I miss sleep is during depression or have rapidly fluctuating moods and stress.

Maybe I was only hypomanic, but my subject of focus made it present as more severe, and my bp1 diagnosis gave them no reason to question if it was mania or hypomania.

Maybe...sleep disturbance isn't a manic symptom for me? Is that even possible?

Maybe all that focus put into writing kept it from intensifying much, whereas it could have gone a different direction and I wouldn't be here questioning it now?

Maybe I'm just a weirdo?

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Old Dec 05, 2013, 12:22 AM
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I don't have huge sleep decreases in hypomania either. I average around 7 hrs when manic, 9 hours when "normal" and 12+ hours when depressed. Yes, I know, I have really high sleep requirements, lol. Seriously, if I get under 4 hours, my body protests. I get severe nausea, vomiting, fatigue that rivals what I experience when depressed, chills...so I know better than to cut out sleep, even when I'm tempted to. Thankfully, I very rarely have any problem staying asleep once I get to sleep.

I've heard of others with bp who don't stop sleeping in mania, but I think that we're relatively rare. Of course, bp is such a multifaceted disorder, and it presents itself uniquely in each patient. So we can't look at any one symptom of mania or depression and say to someone "oh, well you don't have that so you're clearly not bipolar."
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Old Dec 05, 2013, 12:31 AM
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I had a doc rule out bp for me because I generally do not have difficulty falling or staying asleep. I do think it is possible to not have sleep disturbances and be bipolar. For me I go to sleep, but the brain doesn't stop. It is like a huge data dump, spliced together in a magnificent mosaic of fantastic dreams.

My coworkers always ask me about my dreams because they are so prolific.

Side note, I am super pleased to be regaining my word recall, I just hope I do not go into mania or dysphoria…….
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Old Dec 05, 2013, 01:22 AM
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I average 7 hours a night when in a "normal" state, 9 or 10 when I'm depressed, and 4 or 5 hours when I'm so manic that someone has to peel me off the ceiling. That is, of course, not a straight 4-5 hours, more like dozing and waking up multiple times. But I rarely go all night without at least SOME sleep, even though I can be pretty seriously manic sometimes.
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Old Dec 05, 2013, 02:19 AM
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Hmm, are you a spiritual person, by chance?
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Old Dec 05, 2013, 03:33 AM
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Thanks for this thread. I haven't considered this before. I have been diagnosed with bipolar 1 but the last two hospitalisations I was admitted with hypomaniac or mixed episodes with psychotic features. I don 't think it has been described as manic, maybe it is as you say because of bp 1 diagnosis it doesn't need to be questioned further.maybe the boxes for mania aren't all ticked.
I do have mood fluctuations and sleep disturbances and do feel high at times that other people say they notice but am maintaining adequate sleep cycles at those times.
The last 2 times I was hospitalised I had been consumed by a quality management work system and a home management system for a couple of weeks but when unwell death spiritual themes took over
I was diagnosed at age 40 with bp where as when I was in my twenties it was schiophreniform psychosis, schizoaffective, pyschotic depression , schizophrenia ( unsure of order

I agree that writing may keep it from intensifying and I always appreciate the spiritual insights accessed.
It is frustrating at times but have to roll with it daily.
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Old Dec 05, 2013, 03:44 AM
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For me it doesn't matter simply because I also have a sleep disorder. It always takes me 2 to 4 hours to fall asleep and then I wake up every hour. After the 3rd interruption I can't go back to sleep. I average 4 hours. On weekends I can some times squeeze in a 8 hour day. And it's been like this for the past 12 years.

When I'm depressed I just don't feel like getting up, when I'm baseline, I still don't feel like getting up, when I do get hypomanic, as soon as I think of some thing I want to do I get right up. That's the only way I know
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Old Dec 05, 2013, 08:50 AM
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This last period of hypomania, I still slept a solid 8 hours. Now, depressed, I'm sleeping about 7 hours. Basically, it seems my mood fluctuations don't really affect my sleep too much.
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This has bothered me for a while. I was told I was manic by two different people because of the things I was saying, but I was sleeping at least 6 hours the whole several month period.

My mood can get very high at times, but the last time it happened and was hospitalized, my cognition and perceptions were significantly altered, and I appeared grandiose because I was enthusiastic about my revelations. My overall energy, appetite, and ability to sleep didn't change much, but I was focused on writing and refining my way of going about enlightening the world for most of the time--keeping to myself and not talking about it much.

The only time I miss sleep is during depression or have rapidly fluctuating moods and stress.

Maybe I was only hypomanic, but my subject of focus made it present as more severe, and my bp1 diagnosis gave them no reason to question if it was mania or hypomania.

Maybe...sleep disturbance isn't a manic symptom for me? Is that even possible?

Maybe all that focus put into writing kept it from intensifying much, whereas it could have gone a different direction and I wouldn't be here questioning it now?

Maybe I'm just a weirdo?

Thoughts?
From what it sounds like, it seems you're not manic, but have more of a sleep disturbance.
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Old Dec 05, 2013, 10:14 AM
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This has bothered me for a while. I was told I was manic by two different people because of the things I was saying, but I was sleeping at least 6 hours the whole several month period.

My mood can get very high at times, but the last time it happened and was hospitalized, my cognition and perceptions were significantly altered, and I appeared grandiose because I was enthusiastic about my revelations. My overall energy, appetite, and ability to sleep didn't change much, but I was focused on writing and refining my way of going about enlightening the world for most of the time--keeping to myself and not talking about it much.

The only time I miss sleep is during depression or have rapidly fluctuating moods and stress.

Maybe I was only hypomanic, but my subject of focus made it present as more severe, and my bp1 diagnosis gave them no reason to question if it was mania or hypomania.

Maybe...sleep disturbance isn't a manic symptom for me? Is that even possible?

Maybe all that focus put into writing kept it from intensifying much, whereas it could have gone a different direction and I wouldn't be here questioning it now?

Maybe I'm just a weirdo?

Thoughts?
No you are not a weirdo I too have been able to sleep when hypo manic. When I am extremely hypo manic, I sleep much less or not at all, however, during a mixed episode, I can sleep, though I wake up more often.

Our BP is as unique as we are
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Old Dec 05, 2013, 10:18 AM
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I had a doc rule out bp for me because I generally do not have difficulty falling or staying asleep. I do think it is possible to not have sleep disturbances and be bipolar. For me I go to sleep, but the brain doesn't stop. It is like a huge data dump, spliced together in a magnificent mosaic of fantastic dreams.

My coworkers always ask me about my dreams because they are so prolific.

Side note, I am super pleased to be regaining my word recall, I just hope I do not go into mania or dysphoria…….
Wow! I also have nights full of dreams that are very detailed, and often quite vivid. Sometimes I think people think I am making up my dreams because they have some many specific details. This occurs quite a bit when I am hypo manic.
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Old Dec 05, 2013, 10:44 AM
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Wow! I also have nights full of dreams that are very detailed, and often quite vivid. Sometimes I think people think I am making up my dreams because they have some many specific details. This occurs quite a bit when I am hypo manic.
I do not usually think that, maybe they do though! I often feel like some of these things ACTUALLY happened. No? You do not remember this happening? Must have been one of my dreams. Doh!
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Old Dec 05, 2013, 02:57 PM
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Last night I only managed 1 or 2 hours of sleep.

Sometimes sleeping pills have a strong stimulant effect for me--if I'm physically tired but my mind isn't ready to turn off, they only end up robbing me of sleep and simultaneously giving me an intense, groggy energy. It's horrible. Ambien, melatonin, bendaryl, hydroxyzine, and any anti psychotic with a strong sedative effect all cause this, except the latter make it hard to get out of bed in addition to stopping sleep (18 hours laying down but can only sleep 4 of them).

Very little sleep resulting from a missed or very small sleep cycle is the only time my mind ever feels calm and not twitchy or racing, which is a nice break, so 24 hours plus without sleep isn't all negative. The worst part about it is it usually gives me dehydration, high resting heart rate, and strong anxiety.

I definitely have a sleeping problem because it always takes me 1-2 hours to fall asleep or more, and that's when I eat good and exercise hard. I think my circadian rythm may also be sensitive to daylight because it get's pitch black here in Washington state around 4-5 pm this time of year, whereas I seem to sleep better in summer and with sun exposure. Vitamin d pills aren't enough, but at least my skin isn't damaged by uv light as much.

I always thought it weird that depressed people sleep more--I always slept far less, and it's only by coincidence or during the jittery--energized phase that I only get in some (hypom)manias that cause me to sleep less. I think the endorphin high from yesterday sent me up a little too high which is why I barely slept and am not tired at all at the moment.

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Hmm, are you a spiritual person, by chance?
I used to be agnostic-atheist until I was totally blindsided with religious delusions during the last "episode". You could say that I'm spiritual now, in some sense. I think it's helped a lot with my outlook, even though I almost tried walking on water.
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Old Dec 05, 2013, 08:02 PM
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I used to be agnostic-atheist until I was totally blindsided with religious delusions during the last "episode".

You just made me feel so much better! This exact thing happened to me when I had a hypomanic reaction to prozac years ago. I am an agnostic, but on prozac I saw God everywhere, because everything was so damn beautiful, the sky, the trees, the birds. It all ended when the prozac was discontinued. Friends still remind me of this, but we all laugh about it.
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Old Dec 05, 2013, 08:04 PM
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I do not usually think that, maybe they do though! I often feel like some of these things ACTUALLY happened. No? You do not remember this happening? Must have been one of my dreams. Doh!
Yep. They are very real, so real I have memories of dreams that I confuse with events in my conscious life. Then I realize, must have been a dream.
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Old Dec 06, 2013, 12:39 AM
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So is there any resolution here? Is this issue of decreased need for sleep a requirement for mania or no? I am confused….
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Nope. As always, nothing is engraved in stone. Seems some do and some don't.
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Old Dec 06, 2013, 12:50 AM
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Nope. As always, nothing is engraved in stone. Seems some do and some don't.
I don't know if you saw my earlier post, but I have been ruled out as bipolar simply bc I sleep, so then I got the borderline label. I definitely have cycles, if I am not mistaken BPD differs from BP in this way, right? Also I am having a lot of success with medications, I keep hearing that there are no drugs to help borderline.
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Old Dec 07, 2013, 12:21 AM
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I think mania can be ruled out if you are sleeping like a baby every night. You are probably hypomanic. I sleep just fine during hypomania but notice a slight sleep decrease
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Old Dec 08, 2013, 12:23 AM
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I used to be agnostic-atheist until I was totally blindsided with religious delusions during the last "episode". You could say that I'm spiritual now, in some sense. I think it's helped a lot with my outlook, even though I almost tried walking on water. [/quote]

I asked because I also used to be agnostic but as I get older I feel more of a closeness to something greater than myself- and it sounds like you have that as well.
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I know this is old but if you look in the dsm, significantly reduced need for sleep is part of the criteria for mania
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