[wills11]

I'm sure there are countless threads about this but I kind of wanted to tailor it to my recent experiences and life.

I've only smoked pot a couple times in my life. The first time I was 18 and then a couple of times in college. I wasn't a fan of how it made me feel. I was definitely one of the paranoid types, so I never sought it out because there seemed nothing I felt that outweighed the other aspects. (Although, in retrospect, perhaps the paranoia was enhanced by the drug since I was already afraid of being caught or drug tested.)

Last weekend I was offered a bong hit by my cousin at his party. What the hell, I thought. My counsin, his gf, and I finished it all. I remember being cautious since it's been years and I was definitely worried about my reaction. After a quick period of anxiety about wondering what would happen to me, it was gone. The interesting part is, I felt "normal." A couple hours later, my cousin got so incredibly tired he could barely keep his head up. His gf became quite *****y toward us (verbally) and continually complained about how bright the lights were. I sat there thinking maybe I had done something wrong LOL! The most I felt of anything was the common intense dry mouth and "strange" feeling of the teeth. I felt normal. Normal in the sense of better than how I was beforehand, but not euphoric.

Of course there's no way of knowing the strain or chemical amounts or anything in terms of pharmaceutical science (although I'm definitely interested). For people (him and his gf) who smoke regularly, I'm confused how I wasn't affected in the same sense. It's definitely got me thinking about the benefits of it for "treatment." A couple of times in the past, I would feel acute depression for a couple days following smoking (another reason I never liked it) but so far I haven't felt anything of the sort.

I currently take 300mg Lamictal and 30mg Buspar (although I rarely take the full 30 and it's more like 20 or even 10 - I just kind of play around with it since when I'm on the full 30 for a couple weeks it starts to make me intesnely hot and nauseous for about an hour after taking it and that's not worth it). Earlier this month, I discontined my 20mg Vyvanse that I was on for almost a year. I moved so my insurance changed and I can't afford the $250 it is otherwise. It helped pull me out of a depression when I originally started it and of course the benefits for my ADHD were worth staying on it. Despite feeling lethargic, I haven't noticed any terrible things not being on it. Coffee has helped pull me through that aspect.

My fear, which I will admit has been perpetuated over time by media, is how marijuana might affect me in the long run in terms of already having a mental illness. I have distant cousins and also a great uncle who have forms of schizophrenia in which they are functional, quite creative, but feature psychosis that makes them quite aggressive and angry. My greatest fear over my lifetime has been "acquiring" this. Bipolar, panic and anxiety disorders, and suicide run in both sides of my family. I clearly didn't miss the boat.

Although this was only one good experience I had with pot and can't base my entire future off this one, I'm definitely interested in trying it again to see what happens. Granted, I have no idea how it would affect my life in terms of having to get things done around the house or whatever. But I think it's worth a try. On the other hand, I don't want to push the envelope and end up in a depressive episode or who knows what else.

Thoughts?

[wills11]

I'm definitely in a phase in my life where I could use a little extra something:
unemployed and looking for work, still
longterm (and now long distance) relationship on the rocks
looking to relocate away from and cut out "toxic" family memebers
financially strained and scraping the bottom of the barrel
recovering from a knee surgery
intensely missing friends and the life I liked before
deaths of 2 family memebers and 3 friends the past 1.5 years
failing health of 2 more family members

I'm just sort of feeling pressed on all sides. I'm quite proud of myself for remaining stable this whole time! I've only had a couple panic attacks all year, I managed to not get addicted to the pain pills following surgery (although the thoughts were definitely there), I've not resorted to drinking, and I pulled out of the depressive episode earlier in the fall when I had intense suicidal thoughts and we increased my meds. I think I've been good despite everything.

[Moogieotter]

Hello wills11,

I was never a fan of the weed. For me, I fear it would introduce too many variables like you mentioned with strains and potency. I always found it to be hallucinogenic and scary.

Sounds like you put some decent forethought into most things. Please let us know how it pans out. Thanks,

moogs

[Gray Rider]

For me....some strains help depression and anxiety, but can induce paranoid thoughts and psychosis. My problem is that I get out of control and it turns into a morning, lunch, night ritual.

[athena.csu.1987]

It adds to much instability for me I have been on and off. I currently only take one hit if I have a lot of pain and that seems to be okay. Before I was medicated and I was smoking I was up and down and I think I had bipolar but the weed amplified it. I remember very productive OCD bouts and then tearful in bed bouts. So regularly and habitual did not work for me.

[bipolartx]

I take resperidol and lithium and kepra and I smoke both for epilepsy and for bipolar disorder. It's not perfect but it works for me.

[Justugh]

well has kept me sane for years 13 years

it all a matter of understanding what u are looking for in the culture .........if u are in a medical state with shops set up the ppl behide the counter will be able to help u on the choices from there selection ( with the way it is going almost each store has it own brands of weed and some own strains )

if u really want to try this as a alternative method of control i can help explain the details of it to u ..........i am bi polar with adhd and dyslexic the stuff saved me from more damage from the pills they want me on

here is a crash course for ppl that do not understand the plant
weed has 2 major chemicals THC the high feeling and CBDs the medical stuff
THC has been breed into the plants lowering the over all CBD level (besides the medical effect cbds has it also negates the effects of the HIGH feeling u get from THC ) so those ppl looking to get high go for those kind of strains

now the medical side of it they are increasing the CBDs in in isreal they made a plant with 19% CBDs and 1%THC .........so if u are looking for medical effective weed u need to look at strains with CBDs

the final thing is because our heads are different it effects us different then the avg person so some of the high effects and stories u hear are of those ppl .......someone like me who has used it for years no longer gets that stuip happy high effect .....u feel normal like u do on the pills minus the side effects .....and this treatment is effective with in 9 and half mins of taking .....not several weeks of taken a pills to get to effective lvls

i have friends that seen me on the doctor pills they are already yelling at me because i am not the same person 2 of them are on zombie watch if i turn into a yes zombie they will take the pills away and make me smoke a joint ..the rest of the world only knows me when i smoke and they have already said they see a different and do not like it

so as of dec23 i started to smoke again and feel good ........the doctor pills are still building up just increased me 300 more mgs a day 2 weeks another 300mg up and keep going until i can feel a effect .........i went dead clean from oct 31 to dec23 and it was hell

[Moogieotter]

Here is a link to the wiki on CBDs

Cannabidiol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The people I know who use it have greatly lowered their IQs thanks to pot.

[Justugh]

Originally Posted by licketysplit

The people I know who use it have greatly lowered their IQs thanks to pot.

i have a medical study that proves THC and CBDs protect the verbal and cognitive ability of ppl that take our kind of drugs

http://www.ukcia.org/research/Cannab...veDisorder.pdf

the ending of it disproves .........u just know some stoners that are doing it to get high not someone using it for medical effects
http://mychronicrelief.com/cannabis-.../cannabinoids/

have a look......sorry i been using for 13 and my IQ has not suffered if anything i bet it goes up since i am not ADHDing during the test now .......sorry if came off harsh but there are 2 kinds of smokers ones that do it for the high/escape and the others that do it just to live normal with less side effects and restrictions on action (my lorzapam if i take i can not drive for 6 hours)...that is state controlled here i had to get my drivers id scanned into the system to get my meds

I guess we will have to disagree.

[Justugh]

Originally Posted by licketysplit

I guess we will have to disagree.

just stop fear mongering please .......it is hard enough to use the science with the truth to relax ppls fears and get them to look at it the same as coffee a choice (fighting years of fear)

everything u been saying is in the old movie ReeferMadness 1936 film it is now a classic B movie u can find playing free somewhere (legally in public domain now)classic film because the thoughts concepts and ideas be hide are blown up to a point it is laughable .....so horrible it is good

i relate smoke to coffee because it is the same thing except billions of ppl are addicted to coffee with trillion dollar industry supplying ppls habits/needs/wants....really do the addiction test with coffee u will find most ppl are they need it to get going in the morning .........the only reason it is listed as bad is ppl back in the 30s campaigned to make it illegal ...it was a trick to keep minds off how bad life was at the time .......check the history
Marijuana Timeline | Busted - America's War On Marijuana | FRONTLINE | PBS

and the one arugement they always try is it is a gateway drug .........sorry that is wrong gateway is your pill cabinet.......i am sorry parents but it is the truth the easiest and most accessible supply of mess u up drugs are these pills we take ...so unless u are locking it down in a safe and doing counts on everything ....that is where the kid will go to get high/escape....that is just a word of advice if u have teens ...really think about what i said am i wrong

so please .....it is a legal choice and has great medical effects the amount of research going on with this in different areas is staggering ........they have even made a pill out of it and doing trail runs on children of pure CBDs .....if i could buy that pill i would
GWPharma - Epidiolex
Cannabidiol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (look a the trade name to confirm)
more and more doctors are reading the work being done and starting to think differently ....i have 1 my GP ...a addiction doctor i sawl said i did not have a problem and should be allowed to keep doing it (i paid her nothing Medicaid covered the bill so her honest professional thought about me no influence or byist)

please do not delete this one i was civil and a void words that would anger some ppl ....i included alot of correct facts to counter any fear someone had .....i am in a medical legal state..... this does work they do have science be hide it i linked some ........if side effects are to much this can be a option .....just be ready for the stigma of being crazy and using this to help

[wiretwister]

Originally Posted by Justugh

just stop fear mongering please .......it is hard enough to use the science with the truth to relax ppls fears and get them to look at it the same as coffee a choice (fighting years of fear)

everything u been saying is in the old movie ReeferMadness 1936 film it is now a classic B movie u can find playing free somewhere (legally in public domain now)classic film because the thoughts concepts and ideas be hide are blown up to a point it is laughable .....so horrible it is good

i relate smoke to coffee because it is the same thing except billions of ppl are addicted to coffee with trillion dollar industry supplying ppls habits/needs/wants....really do the addiction test with coffee u will find most ppl are they need it to get going in the morning .........the only reason it is listed as bad is ppl back in the 30s campaigned to make it illegal ...it was a trick to keep minds off how bad life was at the time .......check the history
Marijuana Timeline | Busted - America's War On Marijuana | FRONTLINE | PBS

and the one arugement they always try is it is a gateway drug .........sorry that is wrong gateway is your pill cabinet.......i am sorry parents but it is the truth the easiest and most accessible supply of mess u up drugs are these pills we take ...so unless u are locking it down in a safe and doing counts on everything ....that is where the kid will go to get high/escape....that is just a word of advice if u have teens ...really think about what i said am i wrong

so please .....it is a legal choice and has great medical effects the amount of research going on with this in different areas is staggering ........they have even made a pill out of it and doing trail runs on children of pure CBDs .....if i could buy that pill i would
GWPharma - Epidiolex
Cannabidiol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (look a the trade name to confirm)
more and more doctors are reading the work being done and starting to think differently ....i have 1 my GP ...a addiction doctor i sawl said i did not have a problem and should be allowed to keep doing it (i paid her nothing Medicaid covered the bill so her honest professional thought about me no influence or byist)

please do not delete this one i was civil and a void words that would anger some ppl ....i included alot of correct facts to counter any fear someone had .....i am in a medical legal state..... this does work they do have science be hide it i linked some ........if side effects are to much this can be a option .....just be ready for the stigma of being crazy and using this to help

your paranoia is showing...

[Justugh]

no i been a fighting about this subject for the last 2 years as i waited for them to get the dang rules in place so a person can go to a doctor and get a card legally .....it is legal but they have not put any rules up so ppl can fallow to do it legally and they should have been out 4 different times but they stall the vote 3 times in 2014 1 in 2013 ....they had their 18 months to do it

i wrote something before and it was deleted because pretty angry .......i am tried of ppl spread fear with out the info about it and when u do confront them with hard facts that disprove what they were saying ....they do a whatever or agree to disagree and they keep spreading fear about something they refuse to learn about ......feels like banging head on brickwall ....i know i am crazy keep repeating the same action excepting to see a different effect "albert enstine"

[Gray Rider]

there's a lot more science we need to learn about the brain. MJ is the most used drug to self medicate among people with BP, it obviously provides relief and can bring on other issues. I know it worked on my depression better than any AD ever has.

[otroo]

I agree with Justugh. I live in a non legal state so I go to a legal recreation store and pick out my strains it cost me more in the long run but it is worth it.

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[avlady]

my husband smokes pot everyday and is very functional. I tried some for the first time in 30 years last week. i have to say i loved the way it made me feel. Pain went away for a bit, i was able to get to sleep at a decent time, and i want to do it again. I also fear the way it might mix with my 9 different meds i'm on although. does anyone know if it affects medication affects? I really liked it and will try it again as i did love it. Depression also was lowered.

[Eva33]

I have been prescribed many various sleep aids, all of which barely worked. I would somehow fight through the sleepiness. Thoughts in my head that wouldn't go away. But when I take my currently prescribed medication and smoke a bowl before bed (it has to be a very specific strain - one that is for calming), I sleep so well that I almost wake up refreshed. I say almost because I never really want to wake up, like, ever.

Im ashamed to admit that I have now been smoking almost daily for about 3 months now. It was just to help me wind down to sleep and help with the pain. It is amazing for my depression. But I feel it is habit forming. When I wake up and feel crap its the first thing I turn to, it helps me use my coping skills effectively but I am concerned about such regular use. My lungs are starting to suffer, I have a vaporizer but my tolerance is so high now it seems to take forever to take effect.

I know I need a break from it but Im worried I wont be able to cope without it now.

[Swabbingred]

I've been self-medicating myself with weed since I was 15. It does a whole of heap of relief and gives me a physical and mental refresh. Many of my illnesses have placated and this is funny to say especially when I was told my pdoc it would worsen things.

[Justugh]

Originally Posted by Supanova

Im ashamed to admit that I have now been smoking almost daily for about 3 months now. It was just to help me wind down to sleep and help with the pain. It is amazing for my depression. But I feel it is habit forming. When I wake up and feel crap its the first thing I turn to, it helps me use my coping skills effectively but I am concerned about such regular use. My lungs are starting to suffer, I have a vaporizer but my tolerance is so high now it seems to take forever to take effect.

I know I need a break from it but Im worried I wont be able to cope without it now.

that is the trick part .....u need to add CBDs to your morning and keep the smoke for only highly stressful times and to end your day
unless u are getting yours from a shop u are smoking the high THC ones with low CBDs so the effects of it wear off much faster 8 hours or less nothing of it is left detectable in your system THC is even faster (blood system actively effecting body's chemical balance)

http://www.amazon.com/Cibdex-500mg-H...dp/B00MU8AJVU/

the 100 mg is weak for me i went tho it in 3 weeks this one is 2.5 times stronger ......this will lower the HIGH feeling so if u do need something in the morning take this 4 pumps and u can have a smoke if u deem it is needed but odds are the CBDs will do it for u and if u do smoke u will not be totally ripped out of mind from a wake and bake

no shame in it....it works ......and worried were getting addicted .......did u ever think that about your morning get the day going coffee

oh the other thing u must do is vary the strains ..........if one does this and other does that get a grinder mash up 2 buds mix it and use it ..using one strain all the time does what happend to u .....most medical users have 3 6 strains they use depending on the required effect

[wills11]

Originally Posted by bipolartx

I take resperidol and lithium and kepra and I smoke both for epilepsy and for bipolar disorder. It's not perfect but it works for me.

Bipolartx, Can you tell me more about your experience? Message me if you want or leave it here.

[wills11]

Originally Posted by Justugh

well has kept me sane for years 13 years

it all a matter of understanding what u are looking for in the culture .........if u are in a medical state with shops set up the ppl behide the counter will be able to help u on the choices from there selection ( with the way it is going almost each store has it own brands of weed and some own strains )

if u really want to try this as a alternative method of control i can help explain the details of it to u ..........i am bi polar with adhd and dyslexic the stuff saved me from more damage from the pills they want me on

here is a crash course for ppl that do not understand the plant
weed has 2 major chemicals THC the high feeling and CBDs the medical stuff
THC has been breed into the plants lowering the over all CBD level (besides the medical effect cbds has it also negates the effects of the HIGH feeling u get from THC ) so those ppl looking to get high go for those kind of strains

now the medical side of it they are increasing the CBDs in in isreal they made a plant with 19% CBDs and 1%THC .........so if u are looking for medical effective weed u need to look at strains with CBDs

the final thing is because our heads are different it effects us different then the avg person so some of the high effects and stories u hear are of those ppl .......someone like me who has used it for years no longer gets that stuip happy high effect .....u feel normal like u do on the pills minus the side effects .....and this treatment is effective with in 9 and half mins of taking .....not several weeks of taken a pills to get to effective lvls

i have friends that seen me on the doctor pills they are already yelling at me because i am not the same person 2 of them are on zombie watch if i turn into a yes zombie they will take the pills away and make me smoke a joint ..the rest of the world only knows me when i smoke and they have already said they see a different and do not like it

so as of dec23 i started to smoke again and feel good ........the doctor pills are still building up just increased me 300 more mgs a day 2 weeks another 300mg up and keep going until i can feel a effect .........i went dead clean from oct 31 to dec23 and it was hell

What pills are you talking about?

I smoke for pain relief and a medical condition as well. I am waiting for the shops to be set up in my state.

As long as it doesn't destabilize you or make you paranoid, I think it is fine.

[Crazy Hitch]

Hi wills,

This is an interesting perspective.

I am sure opinions will vary.

For me, personally, no this didn't really work to be honest.

I just stick to my prescribed meds.