[hahayeahtotallylol]

Has anyone been admitted for this?

If so, on what bases were you judged? As obviously, if you had wanted to hurt someone enough you already would have.

Thanks,

I've never been a threat to others or planned to hurt them. Unless they physically attack me, they are safe. It's important for people to keep their hands off me unless they have a good reason to do so. I've never threatened others and it will remain as such unless they aggressively handle me. This goes for doctors, police or strangers. Keep your fracking hands off me unless you have a legitimate reason to be aggressive. It's pretty simple for me. I'm not violent or physically aggressive. I'm a peace maker and believe in peaceful protest. Only if I feel my life depends on it, and they make the first strike will I allow myself to act out physically.

[hahayeahtotallylol]

Well, that didn't help whatsoever, but you sound like a Great Person!

Lets rephrase the question.
Can one be hospitalized for being a danger to others?
If so, What is this danger based off of?

Lol....sorry I didn't help. I've never been hospitalized for threatening others but I have had them treat me like I was about to when I wasn't. I hope someone answers your question in a way that helps you.

What kind of danger?

What do you mean by "hurting" others? What does "hurt" mean to you?

And is this "hurt" directed toward anyone or any group of people in specific?

[hahayeahtotallylol]

Being physically aggressive.
And the feelings are not toward anyone specific, which is why i don't think i'd even be able to get help for the thoughts aside from talk therapy.
But i wonder if people get admitted, how specific is the desire, and what happens to the patient? They just go to inpatient?

[Travelinglady]

I was talking to my husband years ago about how I wanted to kill my mother. He called my doctor and I was hospitalized.

"Being a danger to yourself and/or others" is the main reason why people are hospitalized, as far as I understand it.

[franz kafka]

Whenever I've been evaluated for IP they ask if I'm having thoughts about hurting others, which makes me think it's a reason to be hospitalized.

[hahayeahtotallylol]

Thanks for the replies.

My only lingering question is, how is danger of this person judged?

Anyone can say they want to kill. I'd assume they ask if you tried, or have the supplies. Even if one hasn't/doesn't, how can you analyze ones thought process to see if at risk? I would guess, frequency of thoughts? Duration?

And another point - What if these thoughts were persistent for a couple years? What if it is just, who you are, rather than a symptom that can be controlled? Why go to the hospital only when fear of acting out, as opposed to when the thoughts started?

[rwwff]

In the end, like a lot of things Psych.. doctor's judgement call. And of course, the longer they keep you inpatient, the more doctors, admin, and lawyers that are required to keep it that way. more or less.

I tried to kill myself once and my roommates called 911. At the hospital I specifically said that when I got out I was going to kill them. I don't know if I meant it in the big picture, but in that moment I meant it. I was committed involuntarily for being a danger to myself and others.

[wildflowerchild25]

I imagine homicidal thoughts would be like suicidal thoughts. Not ip worthy until you have a plan and intent.

[hahayeahtotallylol]

Originally Posted by TheSadGirl

I tried to kill myself once and my roommates called 911. At the hospital I specifically said that when I got out I was going to kill them. I don't know if I meant it in the big picture, but in that moment I meant it. I was committed involuntarily for being a danger to myself and others.

Did the treatment for this particular issue help any, with your urges or ever mere thoughts of hurting others?

[Nammu]

If someone knows you're MI and you make an off the cuff remark that you should draw and quarter someone for being an idiot you can be hospitalized. I was. Now really why would anyone take a remark like that seriously? I was 5'3" and 103 how am I going to do that? On top of that they had to ask me what drawing and quartering meant! It's a pure judgment call.

Originally Posted by hahayeahtotallylol

Being physically aggressive.
And the feelings are not toward anyone specific, which is why i don't think i'd even be able to get help for the thoughts aside from talk therapy.
But i wonder if people get admitted, how specific is the desire, and what happens to the patient? They just go to inpatient?

Ah, okay. It's good you're not targeting anyone in specific.

Well, then, I agree with wildflowerchild. I would treat them like suicidal thoughts. For example, "I wish I could hurt someone, but I won't do it" is very different from "I plan to go out and do XYZ to gravely injure someone". That's the depression equivalent of "I wish I never existed" vs having a plan. You're not going to go to IP for saying "I wish I never existed."

Though, if you're the kind of person who makes rash decisions and gets extremely angry easily, then personally, I would go to IP. But that's just me.

I used to have homicidal thoughts quite often until my lamictal dose was boosted. I never planned to act on them. BUT that's my decision. I'm not saying you should do what I do. Just saying that a boost in mood stabilizer is what helped me.

Originally Posted by hahayeahtotallylol

Did the treatment for this particular issue help any, with your urges or ever mere thoughts of hurting others?

I don't know. I think it helped. I came out of the hospital feeling much more "normal" than when I went in. Though I did immediately move to another city away from the people I was angry at. Have my thoughts always been stopped? No, but I'm in control enough to not act on them. I'm more likely to commit suicide than hurt anyone else.

[bioChE]

You're asking about criteria. The judgement of the psych evaluator is what's taken as evidence in cases like this. It's primarily based on interview questions, so answering that you want to hurt someone is what's likely to get you locked up. I guess it's also based on actions, threatening or hurting someone else. That's also criminal territory however, and just as likely to wind up with you in jail as in a ward.

Why do you ask these questions, is wanting to hurt others something you struggle with? If so, I'm sorry to hear that; it must be awful.

[hahayeahtotallylol]

Thanks for your responses everyone.

biochE - It is an issue of control. I thought about hurting others as a toddler, and choked by sister when i was in elementry school a couple times. But this was ultimately curbed by a great family, and video games. As i went off to college, i started pushing boundaries with people i didnt know and with my girl friend as well. After we broke up, i got thrown out of several parties for choking people. Mostly female friends, once a random male during beer pong. As time went on, these sexual fantasies started to merge with the idea of taking a life. I have enough self control to prevent it, but it feels like a need at this point. I have all of the equipment and sometimes carry it with me down town. Last fall i hid behind a tree with a hammer, but ended up coming home. I haven't aggressed on anyone for three years, but BP has been crippling my ability to hold down a job, and the frustration of failure coupled with the devastating loss of control i have both mentally and in regards to work, has been leading me in a desperate, "what do i have to lose" state of mind. I can get suicidal as well, but on lithium i feel like i am more likely to act out toward others, as it helps with my depression. I unfortunately, just do not respect or care for human life in general.

I get thought of harming others if they harm me first. I too worried if I should tell my doctors but instead told my family and they said my thoughts and feelings were justified and normal considering the circumstances. My husband advised me not to tell the doctors and based upon the hair brained decisions those incompetent fools have made, I'm glad I didn't.

With that said, what you've written seriously concerns me. It seems a public safety issue and I feel you should disclose these thoughts....the sooner the better. Feeling all that anger and hostility must be horrible and I'm truly sorry you must live with this pain. I hope you are able to find help.

[hahayeahtotallylol]

I just don't know what i'd gain from disclosing anything.
3/5 of the hospitals i've been too recommend i go to a forensic psychoanalytical center for the sexual aspect, but i have never disclosed my thoughts of more seriously hurting people.
I don't connect with people, i don't feel the way others do, and doing anything to help me better fit in to society would ultimately be just one more frustration.
I think i am best locked up or permanently hospitalized. My needs aren't too complex. I need structure, food, and a sense of control over my environment, which i could create in an institutionalized setting since everyone is in such intimately close proximity to each other.

Then it sounds like what you have to gain from disclosure would be to get what you think you need (long term lock up) it's better to get this started before you actually hurt someone. If you've stood behind trees with a hammer and they don't put you in the hospital until these thoughts go away, they are criminally negligent as far as I'm concerned. what do you think?

[hahayeahtotallylol]

At times i think i could, to save myself from jail. But i have a lot to live for. I'm smart, have a bachelors degree from a top university, worked in finance since graduation, have a good family.

To be honest, i am not sure my thoughts will go away. They have been with me since childhood. I just want to be left alone, so i can do what i please.

Also, there is no way for my insurance to cover me for extended periods of time based on "has sexually assaulted, hid behind tree with hammer, carried bread knife into the hood to hunt". To be completely honest with you, i just don't come off like that type of guy. And even if i did, that would simply get me in a hospital, where i would naturally put on the charm and everything i said prior would go out the window.

How do i even judge how serious i am? The only way, is to do it first, but then it's too late because i'll end up in a prison with degenerates.

[hahayeahtotallylol]

I am never completely honest in the hospital, because i know that my plans are better carried out in the real world. And i have a lot to live for. I'm not stupid - I won't give that up. But when times are tough, sometimes i know i will end up in jail and i'd much prefer to talk to pretty nurses about the issues instead.