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Old Apr 01, 2022, 01:02 AM
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Immediately after opening up and sharing some very personal information about myself with a new acquaintance, I immediately regret it. They didn't ask me to share and weren't expecting me to share what I did.

So...why'd I do it?

I forget that my achilles heel with social relationships has to do with my boundaries. I am really good at setting up my boundaries with other people verbally. But when it comes to sharing personal information, I don't like to.

When I do, it almost feels like I do it when I'm triggered which stems from the emotional abuse and neglect that I grew up with from my parents, I think? Like, we were discussing a conflict between us, and I blurted out this tidbit of personal information because i felt triggered to do so; that if I shared that irrelevant information about myself, it would pacify them.

Instead of a previous bad-habit I had from my childhood of over-apologizing (I have since learned how to stop doing that), now I just concede when there's conflict, even when I've done nothing wrong, if that makes sense. I really wish I could unlearn that trauma-learned behavior response to conflict. It's so detrimental to my well-being.

Instead of just telling the other person what I was really thinking - that I was just distracted - I immediately handed over some very personal information about myself, that I still feel vulnerable about which is why I don't share it with anyone. Now, this person can use this piece of information that I gave her about myself, against me in the future. "Oh, you're acting this way because of..."

For some context; this person made a value judgment about me which was 100% wrong, because they were 'projecting' their life experience on to me instead of just viewing the situation objectively. This person tried to label me as ADD b/c they view my flighty personality as impulsive, when I'm just flakey. Flakey and impulsive aren't even the same character trait. You know? Their adult children have ADD and instead of defending myself, telling this acquaintance, "Hey, don't project your kids diagnosis on to me, I"m just flakey," I inadvertingly enabled her label as correct, by revealing a trait I have that fits her ADD label.

Why do I do that? I don't have ADD. Never did. Never will. And I let this person's judgment about me control my self-perception thanks to past childhood trauma I experienced, where I didn't know how to defend myself or failed when I did try to, with my abusive parents.

I wish I could fix that need to erase myself to please others. That's not a good coping skill.
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Old Apr 01, 2022, 04:34 AM
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I can relate to sharing too much. it's probably the reason I don't have any friends.

I meet someone, and I'm immediately like and by the way, this is my issue- and talk about how it affects me
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Old Apr 01, 2022, 04:36 AM
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I think why I do it is to prevent any awkward questions by the person in the future

they meet me, they need to know what they are getting in to
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Old Apr 01, 2022, 06:16 AM
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Yes, I think I hear you, Motts.

Maybe their ADD comment caught you off guard and triggered annoyed feelings in you as well, but rather than respond defensively causing a possible 'fracas', you opted to just go along with it to keep things cool, which is probably quite common actually. BUT going along with it obviously meant validating the ADD comment too, and, so, that's where, in the spur of the moment, you volunteered the tidbit of personal info. It was, in the end, a sort of 'snowball effect', if you will. That's basically why I think the situation happened the way you described = you just wanted to keep things peaceful.
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Old Apr 01, 2022, 08:21 PM
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I can relate to sharing too much. it's probably the reason I don't have any friends.

I meet someone, and I'm immediately like and by the way, this is my issue- and talk about how it affects me
Yet, our "oversharing" response is an anxiety response we learned as a result of familial trauma that we experienced growing up.

For some reason, these people who judge us - have the same flaws that we do - and they have no problem taking advantage of this trait that people like us have, by exploiting it. By that I mean, they throw it back in our face as an observed weakness. "You're just too sensitive," to "you're overreacting." Well...YES and that's because we were forced to walk on eggshells around emotionally volatile parents who didn't teach us how to regulate our emotional responses to different interpersonal situations. We were left to 'fend for ourselves in how we emotionally regulate.

I'm the same way that you are - I wear my heart on my sleeve. That seems to draw out the emotional vampires; they can smell my vulnerability a mile away and suck the life out of me as soon as I connect with them as a friend or acquaintance.

To find normal, healthy people who have normal boundaries has been an elusive experience for me my entire life. Obviously, it's reflection of my boundary-issues with people. I meet people and try to practice what I learned during my time in DBT and CBT therapy, only to be disappointed that I attract and practice on extremely emotionally volatile, manipulative, divisive people who normal, healthy boundaries backfires on.

I have a ton of acquaintances but no true friends for this reason. And it irks me to no end. We all deserve to be accepted for our true selves. Yet, we aren't. The healthy people are FORCED to go to therapy to deal with the unhealthy people who never go to therapy. It's a dichotomy that I'll never understand.

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I think why I do it is to prevent any awkward questions by the person in the future

they meet me, they need to know what they are getting in to
I do it for that same reason - yet each time, the person I disclose personal information to later exploits me for it and tries to manipulate me into changing to suit their needs. It perpetuates a cycle of push-pull with very unhealthy mental people and I'm tired of that pattern. I need to fix this dynamic about myself. And yet, years of therapy hasn't. So, why is that?!

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Yes, I think I hear you, Motts.

Maybe their ADD comment caught you off guard and triggered annoyed feelings in you as well, but rather than respond defensively causing a possible 'fracas', you opted to just go along with it to keep things cool, which is probably quite common actually. BUT going along with it obviously meant validating the ADD comment too, and, so, that's where, in the spur of the moment, you volunteered the tidbit of personal info. It was, in the end, a sort of 'snowball effect', if you will. That's basically why I think the situation happened the way you described = you just wanted to keep things peaceful.
Yes, her ADD comment caught me off guard. But you'd think by my middle-age, I'd be more prepared with cement-thick boundary walls and have an auto-response to shut down such examples of personal projection. Yet...like a batter over homeplate, I struck out and left the baseball field feeling lousy for letting this older woman trigger me, manipulate me and then shame me ("if you don't change then"...).

I knew if I called her out for projecting (she's a mother, so I get it, she was projecting her own maternal role on to me), it would cause conflict.

I have to learn not to freeze like I do in conversations where I get surprised. It doesn't matter how many books, articles, blogs, or forums post I read. I still won't put up protective boundaries. And, I don't want to be a victim and I don't see myself as a victim. I just don't understand why I continue to repeat this dysfunctional response when confronted with other people's projections in order to manipulate or shame me for their benefit.

Any insight why that is? Why wouldn't I want to change? I have asked myself this question over the years. I'm familiar and used to the freeze-self-deprecate-for-self-preservation response where as you pointed out, a 'snowball effect' to keep things cool rather than cause a possible 'fracas.' Yet, I sacrifice my own dignity to keep the peace. The woman didn't respect me to begin with, did she, if she's projecting her opinion and life experiences on to me knowingly (or subconsciously, I have no idea). Or, if she did respect me, I allowed her to shame me because that's less scary and more familiar than me asserting my boundaries with everyone no matter what, consistently?
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Old Apr 01, 2022, 11:59 PM
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..Any insight why that is? Why wouldn't I want to change? I have asked myself this question over the years....
Yes, it's always a real case of introspection and almost a 'soul searching', for me, to try to understand why old patterns of behaviour (in myself) remain in spite of efforts to change, Motts.

So yes, I have areas in my own life that basically defy efforts at change as well, but in certain other areas, change has/is taking place. I can only put it down to growth. It's like plants: you put in the effort to understand their specific needs etc., and you do what's necessary to nurture their growth; but some plants are fast growers and some are slow growers, they reach maturity in their own time, and we don't have control over that part.

Maybe similar growth patterns happen within people as well, and people aren't all the same either just like plants aren't.

In terms of your behavioural changes, you might still be in a process of growth in specific areas. Maybe that's why the old reactions still take place sometimes Motts. So, perhaps it's still a case of just doing your best to approach the whole dynamic as best you can, which you obviously are, and let, I guess 'nature', take care of the growth?

I feel for you because you've taken an emotional and psychological blow, which is hard. Once the feelings about what happened have settled and mellowed, you'll feel freer in terms of tackling the social interactions with this person again. And when doing so, maybe just keep it in the back of your mind that there's a chance she'll eventually trigger you again, so just be a bit mentally prepared.🙏
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Old Apr 02, 2022, 07:44 AM
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My husband overshares. Its a process but I doubt it will ever fully change. It’s a life long thing. When he tries hard not to overshare then he just doesn’t say much and comes across aloof. He is opposite of aloof but if he forces himself to keep his mouth closed it’s because he knows he’ll overshare when he opens it. So there is no middle ground. It’s never “let’s just share a bit.” But it’s a work in progress

In most cases I think and have read that oversharers do it subconsciously because of various anxiety disorder. Don’t want to diagnose but person could be anxious in the absence of diagnosis.

I don’t think that it’s a valid question why wouldn’t you want to change. Some things are just how they are. You can only do so much in changing who you are

As about this woman you could still contact her or wait when you two are hanging out you could say “ hey btw I do not have ADD, last time we spoke you said I do. I don’t”. Not in accusatory or argumentative tone, just as a passing comment. I’d not mention her projecting as you just can’t know that. Otherwise it’s accusing each other of things and will cause more friction. Or you could maybe tell her your feelings were hurt when she labeled you ADD fit no reason .

I do have to say that ADD diagnosis doesn’t mean one is impulsive. Not at all. Impulsivity might come in with ADHD. Attention deficit disorder means just that. Difficulty sustaining attention. The person could be calm as a clam 24/7.

Overall not sure why she said you have ADD just because you were distracted once and she doesn’t even know you, it takes a bit more than that. It’s like saying you like to clean you have OCD.

Actually she might be impulsive one here as she blurted you might have a diagnosis even though she doesn’t know you well
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Old Apr 02, 2022, 07:47 AM
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This is an interesting article (it mentions PDs so ignore that part)

Oversharing Syndrome - the Truth About Too Much Info - Harley Therapy™ Blog
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Ok so I had a looot of thoughts reading all this. Because I've gone through some of this experience myself. After years of observing these situations and experiences both inside myself and outside in the world, in my life, I came to some conclusions for myself. I will share some of them below in case it helps some.

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To find normal, healthy people who have normal boundaries has been an elusive experience for me my entire life. Obviously, it's reflection of my boundary-issues with people. I meet people and try to practice what I learned during my time in DBT and CBT therapy, only to be disappointed that I attract and practice on extremely emotionally volatile, manipulative, divisive people who normal, healthy boundaries backfires on.

I have a ton of acquaintances but no true friends for this reason. And it irks me to no end. We all deserve to be accepted for our true selves. Yet, we aren't.
Yeah, we won't be accepted for our true selves in most social situations. That's only for the inner circle, people who truly accept us. And that's actually ok, I mean why not be selective and enjoy the truly good relationships? And with others just enjoy the social interactions in the moment but not go deeper - is what I tell myself.

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The healthy people are FORCED to go to therapy to deal with the unhealthy people who never go to therapy. It's a dichotomy that I'll never understand.
And yeah that's part of life's unfairness. Just how life is. I mean, having to rebuild ourselves from other people doing real bad sh**. But think of how it means you can build yourself up to be in a better place than ever. You will be more experienced, more aware of yourself, more aware of your true desires, your goals, visions, mission, and go for it all, all that.... Even if this world isn't perfect or totally perfectly fair and won't ever be.

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I do it for that same reason - yet each time, the person I disclose personal information to later exploits me for it and tries to manipulate me into changing to suit their needs. It perpetuates a cycle of push-pull with very unhealthy mental people and I'm tired of that pattern. I need to fix this dynamic about myself. And yet, years of therapy hasn't. So, why is that?!
I will be blunt....you don't have to agree. But I find, I've been to therapy for years, yeah, and I've read a lot of books, self-help, articles, whatnot, and I find those talk about the ideal, the perfect. The real world isn't like that.

There are even scientific experiments about how the Tit for Tat strategy works best for the prisoner's dilemma type of issues we often run into in the real world. You first act nice, your first move is fair and nice, but if the other person responds bad to it, not as nice, not as fair, .... then you immediately stop giving and don't give more than what they give.

Don't disclose anything personal to people you barely know. Let alone your weaknesses or flaws. Nothing can justify it, no vision of the perfect, moral, nice world can justify it. It doesn't make you a bad person either. You can let go of all obligation to be too fair, too nice, too giving.... You can let go of all the guilt that people in your past tried to shove onto you to make you act that nice and giving to them. This includes pacifying at your expense.... it's most decidedly not worth it in the long run. It will just make you anxious, depressed, stressed....open to more exploitation and selfish actions of others. Even if they are not even malicious people by nature, if you spoil them by giving too much, it's just going to be them getting used to it without even knowing what's going on, without it ever being intentional on their end.

BTW in the actual example, I wouldn't have said "Hey, don't project your kids diagnosis on to me, I'm just flakey". I wouldn't start psychoanalysing anyone without their permission or allow anyone else to do it to me either, or say negative things about myself ("flakey") or explain or justify myself saying "I'm just...", not even try to explain it like "I was just distracted".

You can just tell them it's not their business about analysing what you are like, and that you're not interested in their opinion of you. That they can keep their opinion to themselves. Simple as that.

And then focus on resolving the original issue, like if they needed you to do x, then ask them when they'd need x done, or whatever the whole issue was about. (Assuming you promised to do x. If you didn't promise, then it's not your problem at all)

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But you'd think by my middle-age, I'd be more prepared with cement-thick boundary walls and have an auto-response to shut down such examples of personal projection.
Ah they don't even have to be cement thick all the time. Just don't get into drama and all those negative emotions basically or psychoanalysing it as "projection" and the like either. Because that's what I learned, therapy and all that psychoanalysing can't prepare anyone for engaging with the sh**ttier parts of the real world. You simply don't have to engage with it. You don't have to feel obligated to. You can value yourself higher than that.

Personal experience: I was actually OK with a lot of the cold, hard world until I was burnt about something (where I wasn't prepared for it), and then I tried out psychotherapy and all those books, articles, whatnot. What helped in all that was really just about going inside myself and understand stuff inside better and see more clearly about my direction, my life.... But none of it would prepare me directly for returning into the cold, hard real world stuff. None of it is meant for that. This is my own conclusions about therapy and psychology.

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I have to learn not to freeze like I do in conversations where I get surprised. It doesn't matter how many books, articles, blogs, or forums post I read. I still won't put up protective boundaries. And, I don't want to be a victim and I don't see myself as a victim. I just don't understand why I continue to repeat this dysfunctional response when confronted with other people's projections in order to manipulate or shame me for their benefit.

Any insight why that is? Why wouldn't I want to change? I have asked myself this question over the years. I'm familiar and used to the freeze-self-deprecate-for-self-preservation response where as you pointed out, a 'snowball effect' to keep things cool rather than cause a possible 'fracas.' Yet, I sacrifice my own dignity to keep the peace.
And that there, the freeze thing sounds like old trauma yes. I find that going through all the buried negative emotions about it helps. It helps go out there again without having to freeze so much. It's a very long process tho imo. Be patient with it. And part of that will be getting used to "fracas", conflict, all that again (I had to get used to it again myself in personal relationships. In business it was always easier for me and socially too, but close relationships wow no, not easy). The world and people out there just isn't always peaceful and it never will be all peaceful. Even in close relationships tbh. Even if those will have more of a sync between you and your partner than with most other people. Is what I meant earlier. But it's like, most of the conflict will not be blown up into extreme sh**, with most normal people. That's the good news. With most people, you can dare to go ahead and go through the conflict and find that it's actually fine.

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The woman didn't respect me to begin with, did she, if she's projecting her opinion and life experiences on to me knowingly (or subconsciously, I have no idea). Or, if she did respect me, I allowed her to shame me because that's less scary and more familiar than me asserting my boundaries with everyone no matter what, consistently?
Can't know what she really had in mind. Instead of all the psychoanalysis of both yourself and of her, get in touch with your gut instinct imo. The psychoanalysis is just a bunch of ungrounded theories that never end up fitting in reality because we never have enough information and don't even have enough understanding in psychology to have those theories really working.

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Yet, our "oversharing" response is an anxiety response we learned as a result of familial trauma that we experienced growing up.

For some reason, these people who judge us - have the same flaws that we do - and they have no problem taking advantage of this trait that people like us have, by exploiting it. By that I mean, they throw it back in our face as an observed weakness. "You're just too sensitive," to "you're overreacting." Well...YES and that's because we were forced to walk on eggshells around emotionally volatile parents who didn't teach us how to regulate our emotional responses to different interpersonal situations. We were left to 'fend for ourselves in how we emotionally regulate.
I would again leave the theoretical psychoanalysis out of it and again just accept the reality and the moment as it is, even when it's a hard, cold reality. Yes, they do have the same flaws. Yes, a lot of people won't understand why you care, why you are sensitive about something. Most people won't have the time and the energy or even the capacity to try and understand how you are with it. Yes, some people will even try to reflexively attack if they are annoyed or even just tired or upset. But it's not about you, it's not actually personal. It's usually just interactions gone negative. Understanding others with cognitive empathy on this can really help.

And if someone's actually malicious (not the majority of people) then of course keep away from them.

There is science about this again. With social relationships, they are of course more superficial. But even in a close relationship, unless the partners both work on being more in tune, it's only about 10% of the time that the sync happens naturally between the partners. Because say, the other person is available for it naturally, spontaneously 30% of the time. Same true for you. (As a generality.) Then that means 30% of 30% is about 10% (less). Now it's probably even worse for a social interaction with someone who's not close with you.

Emotion regulation....I know DBT talks a lot about emotion regulation. I don't know if all that DBT stuff includes anything on how to avoid the paranoia of how malicious other people's intents may be. Trauma and even too much stresss can cause us to feel paranoid like that and easily lose trust and grounding in the world. But I would say one way to go through and past that is recognising all this for what it really is, it's paranoia, loss of trust, loss of groundedness, emotional flashbacks,.... That gives the chance for us to work through it and not have to be very sensitive and we can react less strongly eventually. As far as it as caused by trauma or stress, the sensitivity and reactions. Some of it is just personality traits like for HSP traits.

I'm not HSP so I wouldn't be able to understand that part fully. I also didn't have childhood abuse. I did have some bad experiences as a kid but no abuse at home. But I understand sensitivity and overemotionality after having gone through very bad experiences in close relationships or too much stress.

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Sorry I'm finding it hard to sum up my message in one short line. But I'll try. Accept the world and people for how they are, the good and the bad too, keep observing the situations without psychoanalysing and theories, and recognise your actual emotions behind that freeze and go through them, don't give up, keep going, and eventually you'll be okay.
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Hi Motts,

I am sorry that happened to you and now you feel vulnerable.

I know it's not a good feeling to have. Don't beat yourself over it. It is regretful but maybe it's a learning opportunity for yourself?

It's good that you're trying to examine why you did that. Trying to process it, write it down, discussing it with others and understanding your behavior can be self healing and help you adjust your behavior if it happens again.

Did the other person react strongly with emotions, words and expression? Are you sure they were paying attention? I say this not to invalidate your experience but because most people are concerned about themselves moreso than an acquaintance. Maybe they might not have noticed you didn't want to reveal it.

If they bring it up, I think you have a right to say you don't want to discuss it again or that it was a misunderstanding so it's irrelevant for discussion.
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Immediately after opening up and sharing some very personal information about myself with a new acquaintance, I immediately regret it. They didn't ask me to share and weren't expecting me to share what I did.

So...why'd I do it?

I forget that my achilles heel with social relationships has to do with my boundaries. I am really good at setting up my boundaries with other people verbally. But when it comes to sharing personal information, I don't like to.

When I do, it almost feels like I do it when I'm triggered which stems from the emotional abuse and neglect that I grew up with from my parents, I think? Like, we were discussing a conflict between us, and I blurted out this tidbit of personal information because i felt triggered to do so; that if I shared that irrelevant information about myself, it would pacify them.

Instead of a previous bad-habit I had from my childhood of over-apologizing (I have since learned how to stop doing that), now I just concede when there's conflict, even when I've done nothing wrong, if that makes sense. I really wish I could unlearn that trauma-learned behavior response to conflict. It's so detrimental to my well-being.

Instead of just telling the other person what I was really thinking - that I was just distracted - I immediately handed over some very personal information about myself, that I still feel vulnerable about which is why I don't share it with anyone. Now, this person can use this piece of information that I gave her about myself, against me in the future. "Oh, you're acting this way because of..."

For some context; this person made a value judgment about me which was 100% wrong, because they were 'projecting' their life experience on to me instead of just viewing the situation objectively. This person tried to label me as ADD b/c they view my flighty personality as impulsive, when I'm just flakey. Flakey and impulsive aren't even the same character trait. You know? Their adult children have ADD and instead of defending myself, telling this acquaintance, "Hey, don't project your kids diagnosis on to me, I"m just flakey," I inadvertingly enabled her label as correct, by revealing a trait I have that fits her ADD label.

Why do I do that? I don't have ADD. Never did. Never will. And I let this person's judgment about me control my self-perception thanks to past childhood trauma I experienced, where I didn't know how to defend myself or failed when I did try to, with my abusive parents.

I wish I could fix that need to erase myself to please others. That's not a good coping skill.

I do the same then "shut down" when they start asking me questions as if I don't know myself. I blamed it on my brain issues from surgery but didn't know it was a CEN thing.

Shutting down was my safe childhood go-to, but what I (and you?) could do is count to five before talking. Easier said. I tried putting a rubber band on my wrist to "snap me out of it" before talking. I keep telling myself to lift a finger for them to be quit so I can not blab out stuff.

I guess those are my best ideas.
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This is an interesting article (it mentions PDs so ignore that part)

Oversharing Syndrome - the Truth About Too Much Info - Harley Therapy™ Blog

I just had a thought reading this. Oversharing can also be a self fulfilling prophecy behavior. I share X, you get mad, "I knew it.." type of thing. It's easy to fall into a rabbit hole because of it.
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Yes, it's always a real case of introspection and almost a 'soul searching', for me, to try to understand why old patterns of behaviour (in myself) remain in spite of efforts to change, Motts.

So yes, I have areas in my own life that basically defy efforts at change as well, but in certain other areas, change has/is taking place. I can only put it down to growth. It's like plants: you put in the effort to understand their specific needs etc., and you do what's necessary to nurture their growth; but some plants are fast growers and some are slow growers, they reach maturity in their own time, and we don't have control over that part.

Maybe similar growth patterns happen within people as well, and people aren't all the same either just like plants aren't.

In terms of your behavioural changes, you might still be in a process of growth in specific areas. Maybe that's why the old reactions still take place sometimes Motts. So, perhaps it's still a case of just doing your best to approach the whole dynamic as best you can, which you obviously are, and let, I guess 'nature', take care of the growth?

I feel for you because you've taken an emotional and psychological blow, which is hard. Once the feelings about what happened have settled and mellowed, you'll feel freer in terms of tackling the social interactions with this person again. And when doing so, maybe just keep it in the back of your mind that there's a chance she'll eventually trigger you again, so just be a bit mentally prepared.🙏
I appreciate your 'plants' analogy related to your idea of personal growth. And it's true too - some 'plants' or people are capable of change and can emotionally mature than other people. That's human nature in a nutshell, isn't it?

I do think I'm in a process of growth, certainly. I mean, 15 years ago if this had happened to me I would have responded much differently (more reactive, then now). I am trying to let nature take its course, but it's hard because I'm impatient. I mean, if I can change and admit upfront "this is an area of my life where I need to improve," I expect other people to possess that same introspective trait. But, most people seem more apt to blame others for their choices, so that they don't have to take any ownership of their choices. I can't do that though. If I make a mistake, I'd rather deal with it and fix it, so that I can improve my life and move forward.

I was speaking to someone about her today and the group of women she leads in a class that I'm taking. The women are close to my age and some are very petty in that they gossip about each other and definitely DON'T like to be challenged. Especially this teacher. She is used to her students just accepting everything she says at face value and not challenge her. Yet, I challenge her by offering a different perspective which she is not open to at all.

So, when I turned to her for guidance with my classmate, I wasn't expecting her to be confrontational with me and blame me for the way I set boundaries with this classmate who clearly didn't like my boundaries. But, not everyone will like our boundaries. And there's no way to know who will accept our boundaries and who will reject our boundaries, until we establish our boundaries with people.


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My husband overshares. Its a process but I doubt it will ever fully change. It’s a life long thing. When he tries hard not to overshare then he just doesn’t say much and comes across aloof. He is opposite of aloof but if he forces himself to keep his mouth closed it’s because he knows he’ll overshare when he opens it. So there is no middle ground. It’s never “let’s just share a bit.” But it’s a work in progress

In most cases I think and have read that oversharers do it subconsciously because of various anxiety disorder. Don’t want to diagnose but person could be anxious in the absence of diagnosis.

I don’t think that it’s a valid question why wouldn’t you want to change. Some things are just how they are. You can only do so much in changing who you are

As about this woman you could still contact her or wait when you two are hanging out you could say “ hey btw I do not have ADD, last time we spoke you said I do. I don’t”. Not in accusatory or argumentative tone, just as a passing comment. I’d not mention her projecting as you just can’t know that. Otherwise it’s accusing each other of things and will cause more friction. Or you could maybe tell her your feelings were hurt when she labeled you ADD fit no reason .

I do have to say that ADD diagnosis doesn’t mean one is impulsive. Not at all. Impulsivity might come in with ADHD. Attention deficit disorder means just that. Difficulty sustaining attention. The person could be calm as a clam 24/7.

Overall not sure why she said you have ADD just because you were distracted once and she doesn’t even know you, it takes a bit more than that. It’s like saying you like to clean you have OCD.

Actually she might be impulsive one here as she blurted you might have a diagnosis even though she doesn’t know you well
I definitely think my oversharing is a coping mechanism. I can empathize with your husband, because even when I try not to overshare it still manages to leak out; b/c it's approval-need driven.

Again, the overshare is a knee-jerk response to growing up in a family system where my parents were emotionally abusive and cruel with the way they withheld affection, didn't create healthy boundaries socially or interpersonally for myself and my sister and brother.

So, yes, it's a subconscious mechanism that I developed as a survival tactic when I was a little kid. It doesn't serve me well as an adult. It just pushes people away because oversharing makes me come across as outwardly insecure, desperate or needy. I mean, eeek. Not traits I'd want in a friend, much less in myself.

And you're correct that there really isn't any middle ground with oversharing; you either overshare or you don't. I do have anxiety but that is tied to the emotional abuse piece from my childhood. Anxiety is a cognitive response to what I label "emotional deprivation.'

My parents didn't teach my sister, brother, and I how to emotionally regulate our emotions; so we walked around our parents on eggshells. We were all emotionally neglected, deprived of healthy emotional expressions from our parents that we could have learned transactionally as children. That's what emotionally healthy parents do: they model healthy emotional expression. My parents definitely didn't model healthy emotional expression.

Yes, I can only do so much to change myself. I guess people who genuinely want to be in my life, would need to accept that about me? We all have our flaws, right?

I am taking a month off from her Zoom class. Except for the workshop she has this weekend that I agreed to attend. The other classmate I posted about in this thread will also be in that workshop. But, it's only for 2 hours and my instructor already promised not to put us together in any breakout room activities. Pfft. The fact that she isn't going to, speaks volumes about her intentions with me as a student moving forward, I believe. But only she knows. And, unless she shares that information with me, I'll have to wait and see? But I'm taking this month off from her class.

I actually agree with you that she was projecting her daughter's ADD diagnosis on to me, b/c it may stress her out. She also may be impulsive herself and instead of acknowledging that trait in herself, she projects it on to other people to criticize b/c she doesn't want to criticize herself. I can totally see that as a possibility. Totally.


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This is an interesting article (it mentions PDs so ignore that part)

Oversharing Syndrome - the Truth About Too Much Info - Harley Therapy™ Blog
Cool. I'll check it out.

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Ok so I had a looot of thoughts reading all this. Because I've gone through some of this experience myself. After years of observing these situations and experiences both inside myself and outside in the world, in my life, I came to some conclusions for myself. I will share some of them below in case it helps some.

Yeah, we won't be accepted for our true selves in most social situations. That's only for the inner circle, people who truly accept us. And that's actually ok, I mean why not be selective and enjoy the truly good relationships? And with others just enjoy the social interactions in the moment but not go deeper - is what I tell myself.

And yeah that's part of life's unfairness. Just how life is. I mean, having to rebuild ourselves from other people doing real bad sh**. But think of how it means you can build yourself up to be in a better place than ever. You will be more experienced, more aware of yourself, more aware of your true desires, your goals, visions, mission, and go for it all, all that.... Even if this world isn't perfect or totally perfectly fair and won't ever be.

I will be blunt....you don't have to agree. But I find, I've been to therapy for years, yeah, and I've read a lot of books, self-help, articles, whatnot, and I find those talk about the ideal, the perfect. The real world isn't like that.

There are even scientific experiments about how the Tit for Tat strategy works best for the prisoner's dilemma type of issues we often run into in the real world. You first act nice, your first move is fair and nice, but if the other person responds bad to it, not as nice, not as fair, .... then you immediately stop giving and don't give more than what they give.

Don't disclose anything personal to people you barely know. Let alone your weaknesses or flaws. Nothing can justify it, no vision of the perfect, moral, nice world can justify it. It doesn't make you a bad person either. You can let go of all obligation to be too fair, too nice, too giving.... You can let go of all the guilt that people in your past tried to shove onto you to make you act that nice and giving to them. This includes pacifying at your expense.... it's most decidedly not worth it in the long run. It will just make you anxious, depressed, stressed....open to more exploitation and selfish actions of others. Even if they are not even malicious people by nature, if you spoil them by giving too much, it's just going to be them getting used to it without even knowing what's going on, without it ever being intentional on their end.

BTW in the actual example, I wouldn't have said "Hey, don't project your kids diagnosis on to me, I'm just flakey". I wouldn't start psychoanalysing anyone without their permission or allow anyone else to do it to me either, or say negative things about myself ("flakey") or explain or justify myself saying "I'm just...", not even try to explain it like "I was just distracted".

You can just tell them it's not their business about analysing what you are like, and that you're not interested in their opinion of you. That they can keep their opinion to themselves. Simple as that.

And then focus on resolving the original issue, like if they needed you to do x, then ask them when they'd need x done, or whatever the whole issue was about. (Assuming you promised to do x. If you didn't promise, then it's not your problem at all)

Ah they don't even have to be cement thick all the time. Just don't get into drama and all those negative emotions basically or psychoanalysing it as "projection" and the like either. Because that's what I learned, therapy and all that psychoanalysing can't prepare anyone for engaging with the sh**ttier parts of the real world. You simply don't have to engage with it. You don't have to feel obligated to. You can value yourself higher than that.

Personal experience: I was actually OK with a lot of the cold, hard world until I was burnt about something (where I wasn't prepared for it), and then I tried out psychotherapy and all those books, articles, whatnot.

What helped in all that was really just about going inside myself and understand stuff inside better and see more clearly about my direction, my life.... But none of it would prepare me directly for returning into the cold, hard real world stuff. None of it is meant for that. This is my own conclusions about therapy and psychology.

And that there, the freeze thing sounds like old trauma yes. I find that going through all the buried negative emotions about it helps. It helps go out there again without having to freeze so much. It's a very long process tho imo.

Be patient with it. And part of that will be getting used to "fracas", conflict, all that again (I had to get used to it again myself in personal relationships. In business it was always easier for me and socially too, but close relationships wow no, not easy). The world and people out there just isn't always peaceful and it never will be all peaceful. Even in close relationships tbh.

Even if those will have more of a sync between you and your partner than with most other people. Is what I meant earlier. But it's like, most of the conflict will not be blown up into extreme sh**, with most normal people. That's the good news. With most people, you can dare to go ahead and go through the conflict and find that it's actually fine.

Can't know what she really had in mind. Instead of all the psychoanalysis of both yourself and of her, get in touch with your gut instinct imo. The psychoanalysis is just a bunch of ungrounded theories that never end up fitting in reality because we never have enough information and don't even have enough understanding in psychology to have those theories really working.

I would again leave the theoretical psychoanalysis out of it and again just accept the reality and the moment as it is, even when it's a hard, cold reality. Yes, they do have the same flaws.

Yes, a lot of people won't understand why you care, why you are sensitive about something. Most people won't have the time and the energy or even the capacity to try and understand how you are with it.

Yes, some people will even try to reflexively attack if they are annoyed or even just tired or upset. But it's not about you, it's not actually personal. It's usually just interactions gone negative. Understanding others with cognitive empathy on this can really help.

And if someone's actually malicious (not the majority of people) then of course keep away from them.

There is science about this again. With social relationships, they are of course more superficial. But even in a close relationship, unless the partners both work on being more in tune, it's only about 10% of the time that the sync happens naturally between the partners.

Because say, the other person is available for it naturally, spontaneously 30% of the time. Same true for you. (As a generality.) Then that means 30% of 30% is about 10% (less). Now it's probably even worse for a social interaction with someone who's not close with you.

Emotion regulation....I know DBT talks a lot about emotion regulation. I don't know if all that DBT stuff includes anything on how to avoid the paranoia of how malicious other people's intents may be. Trauma and even too much stresss can cause us to feel paranoid like that and easily lose trust and grounding in the world.

But I would say one way to go through and past that is recognising all this for what it really is, it's paranoia, loss of trust, loss of groundedness, emotional flashbacks,.... That gives the chance for us to work through it and not have to be very sensitive and we can react less strongly eventually. As far as it as caused by trauma or stress, the sensitivity and reactions. Some of it is just personality traits like for HSP traits.

I'm not HSP so I wouldn't be able to understand that part fully. I also didn't have childhood abuse. I did have some bad experiences as a kid but no abuse at home. But I understand sensitivity and overemotionality after having gone through very bad experiences in close relationships or too much stress.

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Sorry I'm finding it hard to sum up my message in one short line. But I'll try. Accept the world and people for how they are, the good and the bad too, keep observing the situations without psychoanalysing and theories, and recognise your actual emotions behind that freeze and go through them, don't give up, keep going, and eventually you'll be okay.
Thanks for the thoughtful blog-style post. I agree that I need to focus on my gut instinct more and learn to 'pause' before I speak. And, I need to be more discerning of who I choose to share what information with about myself. I'm constantly working on that skill and this time, I slipped up by disclosing something really private and personal with a woman (my instructor) whom I barely know.

I also agree with you that most healthy people will stick with me through conflict that happens. Because, conflict is inevitable when you involve more than two people in a conversation or a relationship (personal or professional). I tend to forget to let go of my expectations for the outcome that I want to take place. I need to remember that I can't control the outcome, no matter how careful I am with what I socially disclose to people.

As you pointed out, even if I hadn't revealed the private information about myself to my instructor that I now feel vulnerable about, and worry she will use it to exploit me somehow for her benefit socially....even if she and I hadn't spoken about that classmate's response to my boundary setting, she IS who she is. I can't change her or what she chooses to do with information other people share with her about themselves.

I think it's a combination of my personality trait - I'm empathetic and creative - and a learned response from growing up with emotionally neglectful parents who didn't model healthy emotional expression to their children.



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Hi Motts,

I am sorry that happened to you and now you feel vulnerable.

I know it's not a good feeling to have. Don't beat yourself over it. It is regretful but maybe it's a learning opportunity for yourself?

It's good that you're trying to examine why you did that. Trying to process it, write it down, discussing it with others and understanding your behavior can be self healing and help you adjust your behavior if it happens again.

Did the other person react strongly with emotions, words and expression? Are you sure they were paying attention? I say this not to invalidate your experience but because most people are concerned about themselves moreso than an acquaintance. Maybe they might not have noticed you didn't want to reveal it.

If they bring it up, I think you have a right to say you don't want to discuss it again or that it was a misunderstanding so it's irrelevant for discussion.
Thanks Sohappy. It's like sociologist Brene Brown says about vulnerability; it's better to risk being vulnerable with others, b/c that's how we create true connection with people. By making ourselves vulnerable. Then we can develop trust with each other, once we see that we're all the same underneath the exterior personas we present superficially.

But...I'm still processing this experience b/c I don't like how I still chose a dysfunctional response - to 'overshare' when I felt stressed out and judged. I wanted to keep the peace, and not be confrontational, so I sacrificed my self-worth in the moment, sharing something personal that wasn't even relevant to the situation to de-escalate my instructor. Then agreeing with her projection about me having ADD traits just like her adult children do, who have diagnoses of ADD.

I didn't want to internalize this experience because then I can't get perspective on it. By sharing it here, and talking with others about it, I'm able to hear and apply other people's opinions and experiences and insights to my situation that will help me process it emotionally, and allow me to learn from it so that I don't repeat it again (hopefully I won't).
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I do the same then "shut down" when they start asking me questions as if I don't know myself. I blamed it on my brain issues from surgery but didn't know it was a CEN thing.

Shutting down was my safe childhood go-to, but what I (and you?) could do is count to five before talking. Easier said. I tried putting a rubber band on my wrist to "snap me out of it" before talking. I keep telling myself to lift a finger for them to be quit so I can not blab out stuff.

I guess those are my best ideas.
It's so helpful to read that other people experience this oversharing phenomenon like me.

What does CEN mean? Did you have a frontal lobe injury? I did a long time ago, so it makes me wonder if I need to follow up every few years with a neuropsychologist to test that area.

Like the list here:

I do experience a reduced awareness/insight into social difficulties. So I think my posts here, may be the result of that affect from my TBI injury. And, the difficulty with impulsive oversharing in moments of perceived or real stress with another person. Those are also frontal lobe functions and when the frontal lobe gets injured, the functions is performs are effected. But, ADD? No way.

I definitely need to count to 5 before responding. I could train myself to do that. That is a great suggestion actually. It's easy to learn. I also tried the rubber band on my wrist but got tired of hurting my wrist. Ha.

Yes, shutting down is a safe childhood response to trauma. Sorry that you had to learn that survival technique in your childhood with your adults in your life at that time.


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I just had a thought reading this. Oversharing can also be a self fulfilling prophecy behavior. I share X, you get mad, "I knew it.." type of thing. It's easy to fall into a rabbit hole because of it.
Another great insight about oversharing. I agree. It can be indicative of the dreaded self-fulfilling prophecy behavior. Definitely. And that's related to low self esteem too, which can contribute to the oversharing triggered response in times of perceived stress with other people.
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Motts, if you like to explore further on the topic, you can go on YouTube and search for keywords like "avoiding triggers" and "oversharing". Sometimes you might get something helpful on there or sometimes not.
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