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Old Dec 15, 2015, 12:18 AM
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Why is it doctors are so much against suicide that they take it to the extreme and can and will lock you up against your will? I understand if you're talking killing others in the process but in the it is my life. Let me do with it as I want.

Don't give me the bs line about "do no harm". If that were true they would take more extreme measures with people who smoke. Look at how harmful cigarettes are. Look at all the long term damage they do and how much they shorten your lifespan. If they truly cared about your health and well being they would report you to the police if they found out you were doing drugs. This is why I say locking you up against your will is nothing but a money grab and a crock of ****
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Old Dec 15, 2015, 12:25 AM
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They don't want to lose there job or get sued on the chance you die but it is bs

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Old Dec 15, 2015, 12:34 AM
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They don't want to lose there job or get sued on the chance you die but it is bs
Can the same not be said about drug use? Can I sue my mom's doctor when she dies because they never made her quit smoking? When I was locked up against my will, even after I told them I did not want to be, could my wife have sued if I killed myself while I was there?

Why just suicide?
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Old Dec 15, 2015, 12:51 AM
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Smoking cigarettes is socially and morally acceptable this is a religious based country. And most religions believe suicide is wrong so naturally there gonna make a law saying you can't do it but yeah Your wife could totally sue if you killed yourself under the care of mental health. Workers

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Old Dec 15, 2015, 01:12 AM
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Humpty you are right, it is all a crock of dung. And your point? It seems to me the crux of the whole matter is this, this country seems to want people who are mentally ill so they can better manage them. Psychologically if you can cripple a nation and brain wash it into believing a new normal then they are manageable. That is my story and i am sticking to it. tc
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Old Dec 15, 2015, 01:17 AM
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A doctor has to legally report a suicdal patient because it's the law and the patient needs help.
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Old Dec 15, 2015, 02:12 AM
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A doctor has to legally report a suicdal patient because it's the law and the patient needs help.
So why are they not legally required to report drug use? That's bad for you and illegal as well. Just more to my point of how bogus it is.
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Old Dec 15, 2015, 04:03 AM
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Many times the suicidal thoughts will go away if given some time to heal and depression lifts . The act is very hard on families mostly .Euthanasia for medical reasons is a whole different story .
Most people have had these thoughts but recovered to have good lives .
Smoking was not morally accepted by many cultures and religions, it only prevailed by greed . Turns out smoking is a huge drain on society and the health system . Society is turning against smoking again .
Sugar and fructose are similar health dangers added in massive quantities to our foods . Greed wins again .
We need to spend much more on mental health to to make as much progress as the rest of the body treatments . . Old ideas about Freud type treatments don't work very well . Some of the drugs being used can cause huge problems .
I've been there before ,I know the mental pain is overwhelming, I fought my way out more than once . I had a plan- it was very doable , it was easy but it would trash my family mentally and economically. I stood before the edge and made my choice, sometimes that's all it takes ,knowing that its in your hands and walking away .
I hope you get thru this painful time . Talk helps, time helps ,exercise helps.
My best advice came from claire weekes on you tube . I hope you can find someone you respect and will help you out of your bad mental ills . Try to find positive help don't go negative .
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Old Dec 15, 2015, 09:23 AM
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The threat of suicide is more immediate than the other health issues you speak of and hence much more serious.
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Old Dec 15, 2015, 01:30 PM
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Smoking cigarettes is socially and morally acceptable this is a religious based country. And most religions believe suicide is wrong so naturally there gonna make a law saying you can't do it but yeah Your wife could totally sue if you killed yourself under the care of mental health. Workers

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There is no Western Country, including the United States and the UK, where suicide or attempted suicide is still a criminal offence.

Sueing for negligence while under care of Mental Health Workers, even as an inpatient, is very difficult and would be taken on a case by case basis.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation

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Old Dec 15, 2015, 03:50 PM
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Why is it doctors are so much against suicide that they take it to the extreme and can and will lock you up against your will? I understand if you're talking killing others in the process but in the it is my life. Let me do with it as I want.

Don't give me the bs line about "do no harm". If that were true they would take more extreme measures with people who smoke. Look at how harmful cigarettes are. Look at all the long term damage they do and how much they shorten your lifespan. If they truly cared about your health and well being they would report you to the police if they found out you were doing drugs. This is why I say locking you up against your will is nothing but a money grab and a crock of ****
One of the reasons why doctors should either report suicidal people, or, have suicidal people report themselves with the help of the doctor, is because of a legal case called "Tarasoff" that happened in California. Someone going to therapy discussed the topic of killing with their psychologist. So there's a lead-in to this article which discusses the issue:

Physician duty to report danger: The case of Tatiana Tarasoff | Orthopedics Today

Oh, "do no harm" is taken very, very seriously. The therapeutic alliance is a sacred trust. And a physician or psychologist tells the patient about being a mandated reporter during the initial session, as part of the informed consent process.

A cigarette does not have the same effect as a bullet.
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Old Dec 15, 2015, 03:58 PM
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They didn't report me
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Old Dec 15, 2015, 04:09 PM
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I think it is a law. (at least in the US).
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