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Old Oct 11, 2018, 03:07 PM
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Old Oct 11, 2018, 03:14 PM
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I guess I'm "F.I.N.E." too.

Little Turtle, if you manage to wean completely off the Celexa, would you then not be taking any psychotropics?


rohag I only take celexa every day regular...
no other psych drugs...
but if I get too scared I take a little valium...
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Old Oct 12, 2018, 07:35 AM
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i have a mental illness...I have had a serious problem in my life..
I am ashamed...I lay the stigma on myself...others take me down...
but I take me down....it is changing...I hope for the better...

I am starting to speak up to my wife...she doesn't believe I have a MI..
with my wife I am no longer going to be ashamed or blamed or taken down..
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Old Oct 12, 2018, 08:33 AM
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I am going to take the DSM5 and throw it in the trash can...
and then I will get on the AS IS bus...
I am sick of all the labels put on us...
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Old Oct 12, 2018, 08:42 AM
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I am going to take the DSM5 and throw it in the trash can...
and then I will get on the AS IS bus...
I am sick of all the labels put on us...
I agree, I find the labels they put on us very distasteful

Have you read any Dorothy Rowe? I may have mentioned her before.

Where is the as is bus going today?
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Old Oct 12, 2018, 08:44 AM
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i have a mental illness...I have had a serious problem in my life..
I am ashamed...I lay the stigma on myself...others take me down...
but I take me down....it is changing...I hope for the better...

I am starting to speak up to my wife...she doesn't believe I have a MI..
with my wife I am no longer going to be ashamed or blamed or taken down..
(((((((( little turtle ))))))))

It sounds to me like your wife may have a “diagnosis” - like my PUS ... all that blame and shame they try to put on us. Grrrrrrrr

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Old Oct 12, 2018, 04:56 PM
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I agree, I find the labels they put on us very distasteful

Have you read any Dorothy Rowe? I may have mentioned her before.

Where is the as is bus going today?

thanks fuzzy... I am going to look up Dorothy rowe...
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Old Oct 13, 2018, 04:11 AM
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Good for you! We can benefit from learning to be more assertive. Sometimes, at least in the beginning, changing a pattern of interaction can be scary and can generate more anxiety. However, it's usually worth it to change hurtful patterns of interactions with those closest to us.

It takes courage!

I hope you benefit greatly!


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Old Oct 13, 2018, 05:20 AM
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Good for you! We can benefit from learning to be more assertive. Sometimes, at least in the beginning, changing a pattern of interaction can be scary and can generate more anxiety. However, it's usually worth it to change hurtful patterns of interactions with those closest to us.

It takes courage!

I hope you benefit greatly!


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Old Oct 13, 2018, 09:28 AM
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I agree, I find the labels they put on us very distasteful

Have you read any Dorothy Rowe? I may have mentioned her before.

Where is the as is bus going today?


fuzzy---I listened to Dorothy Rowe....I am ordering 2 of her books...
I want to read about some of her ideas...I like what she is saying..
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Old Oct 13, 2018, 10:22 AM
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Dorothy Rowe is a very interesting psychologist...

and I just listened to the 19 min ted talk by Kristin Neff
on the space between self-esteem and self-compassion...
it was very good.....I have very low self esteem...I lost
my self-esteem in psychiatry....I was sick and so was psychiatry..

I need to be on the AS IS bus
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Old Oct 13, 2018, 10:29 AM
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Dorothy Rowe is a very interesting psychologist...

and I just listened to the 19 min ted talk by Kristin Neff
on the space between self-esteem and self-compassion...
it was very good.....I have very low self esteem...I lost
my self-esteem in psychiatry....I was sick and so was psychiatry..

I need to be on the AS IS bus
I was sick and so was that therapist. And some “ignore” that issue.. how SICK that therapist was .. and psychiatry too

I need to be on the AS IS bus where people don’t blame others and ignore the

Truth

That therapist felt threatened when I mentioned Dorothy Rowe. She doesn’t believe in tossing out ugly, inaccurate, stigmatising labels

I can play that labelling game too

He is psychol. NPD ....
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Old Oct 14, 2018, 06:16 AM
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this morning with my wife....
I am paying attention to what she is saying about me...
I am paying attention to critical and blame comments...
I am trying to point these out without getting angry...
this is very hard for me...I am very angry at my wife...
not for what she is thinking but what she is saying...
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Old Oct 14, 2018, 08:53 AM
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this morning with my wife....
I am paying attention to what she is saying about me...
I am paying attention to critical and blame comments...
I am trying to point these out without getting angry...
this is very hard for me...I am very angry at my wife...
not for what she is thinking but what she is saying...
It is very hard to remain calm to express ourselves when faced with people like your wife. Much respect to you Little Turtle.

I have also been listening to Dorothy Rowe. Thank you to those who have mentioned this lady. She talks of Hot and Cold Anger. This has left me to think quite hard about anger.

I have to admit to hot anger when triggered by abusive situations and people. I wish I had more control. My fight and flight responses seems to kick in, it seems. Anyone had any success catching themselves before talking or shouting with so much emotion?
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Old Oct 14, 2018, 12:43 PM
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Hot and cold anger, I hadn’t heard of that.. I haven’t read much Dorothy Rowe for a while.

I have difficulty sometimes with PTSD “fight” types / NPD who accuse others of all sorts of stuff that in fact belongs in the “family” of origin, and not in the “object” of their rage

Step maternal unit specialises in that. Eff her

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Old Oct 15, 2018, 02:38 PM
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Old Oct 15, 2018, 04:13 PM
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Hot and cold anger, I hadn’t heard of that.. I haven’t read much Dorothy Rowe for a while.

I have difficulty sometimes with PTSD “fight” types / NPD who accuse others of all sorts of stuff that in fact belongs in the “family” of origin, and not in the “object” of their rage

Step maternal unit specialises in that. Eff her

This link relates to Hot and cold anger.

There is no excuse for people who attack others. It is hard though for us to truly respond assertively when our emotions are so abused.

Do you ever stand up against your PU's Fuzzy?
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Old Oct 15, 2018, 04:14 PM
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Old Oct 15, 2018, 04:33 PM
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This link relates to Hot and cold anger.

There is no excuse for people who attack others. It is hard though for us to truly respond assertively when our emotions are so abused.

Do you ever stand up against your PU's Fuzzy?
I have stood up against them.. they labelled me a “bully” and said I “should be punished all my life”...

I agree, it is hard for us to respond assertively when our emotions are so abused. I think a sadistic therapist (in real life) realised this.. its not hard to.. and used me both as a cash cow and to take his rage and indifference out on
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Old Oct 15, 2018, 05:01 PM
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what happened fuzzy
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what happened fuzzy
With the therapist? Or the PUs?

A GP a while ago asked me if I’d seen a psychiatrist. I may have mentioned this before. I just said “yes” .. (“a while ago”)

I don’t trust them Although the GPs give 10 minutes (at the most, usually) and have very little understanding of MI or desire to listen.. at least they haven’t tried to force me to stop the benzos which is about the only thing which is helping me stay somewhat sane since I’m allergic to all the other meds I’ve tried.. and have severe anxiety .. which that idiot of a therapist said I had had for “too long” - the anxiety
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I have stood up against them.. they labelled me a “bully” and said I “should be punished all my life”...

I agree, it is hard for us to respond assertively when our emotions are so abused. I think a sadistic therapist (in real life) realised this.. its not hard to.. and used me both as a cash cow and to take his rage and indifference out on
Cruel PU's....

Cruel professionals...

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Old Oct 16, 2018, 03:17 AM
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This link relates to Hot and cold anger.

There is no excuse for people who attack others. It is hard though for us to truly respond assertively when our emotions are so abused.

Do you ever stand up against your PU's Fuzzy?
Had one of my moments and didn't include the link...

Anger: Hot & Cold Anger & Permanent Life Improvements - Distance Energy Work: energy healing methods
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Old Oct 16, 2018, 08:09 AM
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we are all HUMAN BEINGS...
on the AS IS bus...
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Old Oct 16, 2018, 11:17 AM
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((((((((( all on the as is bus ))))))))

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