[MtnTime2896]

Is it possible to summon an alter if there's no co-consciousness? Would this be a way to maybe test the possibility of having said alter?

If so, is it safe? Can't they hurt you?

On a side note; can DID first appear to an unknowing host in hallucinations and seemingly delusions?

[amandalouise]

Originally Posted by Só leigheas

Is it possible to summon an alter if there's no co-consciousness? Would this be a way to maybe test the possibility of having said alter?

If so, is it safe? Can't they hurt you?

On a side note; can DID first appear to an unknowing host in hallucinations and seemingly delusions?

not sure what you mean by summon? some religions believe you can summon ghosts and spirits stuff like that. if thats what you mean no that kind of stuff doesnt happen in my location.

if you mean can someone with DID talk with their alters if they dont have co consciousness the answer is yes. sometimes I would think inside something and the next time the alter was in control they would leave me something that answered what I thought to them even when I didnt have co consciousness.

in my location hallucinations and delusions rules out having DID but people in my location can have more than one mental disorder. for example if I was hallucinating because of my bipolar disorder that problem was called bipolar not DID/ alter related.

the only way sometimes to know whether a person is having hallucinations vs alters is if their treatment provider tells them, my suggestion is contact your treatment provider, they will let you know if what you are going through is because of hallucinations/ delusions or if the problem is having a dissociative problem.

[Luce]

I don't know, So Leigheas.
I would suggest talking about it with a therapist though.

[MtnTime2896]

Originally Posted by Luce

I don't know, So Leigheas.
I would suggest talking about it with a therapist though.

We talked about a few things in therapy today that has me asking these questions.

I don't know, I would ask myself but...it's difficult to explain. I'm being told to stop asking and stop digging by someone.

I've heard her before....

I'm not suppose to keep talking about it.

[elevatedsoul]

im trying to figure it out too.. its not easy, atleast for me...

moments i have clear understanding and knowing, "hey there are others in here you douche quit ignoring us!" and other moments i have absolute denial, its impossible for me to have d.i.d. for there to be others and for me to be switching, kind of thing, like im making it all up for an excuse...

its difficult to wrap the mind around... talking with your T is i guess the best place to start... a safe place with someone safe and knowledgeable... or atleast willing to learn..

its a hidden disorder so it makes sense that it hide it self from the host to keep a sense of normality.. but its important to rule out other disorders so that we dont end up misdiagnosed... misdiagnoses suck
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i seem to have seamless switching... very fast...

Originally Posted by Só leigheas

Is it possible to summon an alter if there's no co-consciousness? Would this be a way to maybe test the possibility of having said alter?

If so, is it safe? Can't they hurt you?

On a side note; can DID first appear to an unknowing host in hallucinations and seemingly delusions?

"Summon" sounds very voodoo, lol

How about opening a lines of communication? Have you tried journaling in a notebook? Leaving notes around?

What are things that makes you think that you might have other parts? In our case....we find and read unfamiliar texts and notes....weird clothes that I wouldn't wear, missing memories of our day, people saying things that I don't remember saying or doing, missing or moved objects, ..... Growing up....all this was normal so I really never questioned any of it.

Somethings I remember seeing me doing....but it wasn't "me" doing them.

I can see where one would see or call it a hallucination at first (unknowing or in denial)...thinking that they must be psychotic because of the voices...but DID is not due to any psychotic event.

DID is caused by an early childhood trauma event of which abuse would be the most common, but a lack of child/mom broken or never created can be traumatic to a baby....sexual, mental, physical and emotional abuse is traumatic...anything a baby/toddlers mind can't process such as deaths or accidents....not everyone dissociates, some are more prone too.

Talking to a mental health professional for verification and treatment would be best.

[MtnTime2896]

I haven't tried a notebook or anything, exactly. I'm an author and have found that (very rarely) I'll re-read and edit my work to find paragraphs I don't remember writing. If I have some vague recollection, the writing still isn't me, you know? Like, those aren't my words nor emotions. My fiance has witnessed certain things I don't remember. As a kid, I don't believe people when they tell me I would become my 'imaginary friend' James. I don't really remember it but I also have memory gaps.
Honestly, I've had dissociative amnesia several times, though it isn't a daily or even weekly occurrence. Mostly happens when I'm really stressed all of the sudden or after a flashback (as I have PTSD). Yes, I endured my fair share of childhood trauma, almost all of it I dissociated during. I've had to rely on what others have told me with a lot of it.
Honestly, I'm diagnosed bipolar with psychotic features, so I have external hallucinations sometimes. Only, sometimes they're not external. There is a voice that is inside, maybe two. The woman puts images in my head to punish me when I do something she doesn't like. Thing is, I forget what I saw almost immediately after seeing them. In therapy, when she was brought up, that's how she enforced her commands for me to stop talking. I have a feeling that I'm gonna get it for writing this. She also likes to change my reflection, which is why I generally avoid mirrors, because it's not me in there.

I'm more than willing to accept this all as some sort of delusion but because she's so against me exploring this, it peaked my interest. After all, nothing scares her but this seems to have her on edge.

Originally Posted by Só leigheas

I haven't tried a notebook or anything, exactly. I'm an author and have found that (very rarely) I'll re-read and edit my work to find paragraphs I don't remember writing. If I have some vague recollection, the writing still isn't me, you know? Like, those aren't my words nor emotions. My fiance has witnessed certain things I don't remember. As a kid, I don't believe people when they tell me I would become my 'imaginary friend' James. I don't really remember it but I also have memory gaps.
Honestly, I've had dissociative amnesia several times, though it isn't a daily or even weekly occurrence. Mostly happens when I'm really stressed all of the sudden or after a flashback (as I have PTSD). Yes, I endured my fair share of childhood trauma, almost all of it I dissociated during. I've had to rely on what others have told me with a lot of it.
Honestly, I'm diagnosed bipolar with psychotic features, so I have external hallucinations sometimes. Only, sometimes they're not external. There is a voice that is inside, maybe two. The woman puts images in my head to punish me when I do something she doesn't like. Thing is, I forget what I saw almost immediately after seeing them. In therapy, when she was brought up, that's how she enforced her commands for me to stop talking. I have a feeling that I'm gonna get it for writing this. She also likes to change my reflection, which is why I generally avoid mirrors, because it's not me in there.

I'm more than willing to accept this all as some sort of delusion but because she's so against me exploring this, it peaked my interest. After all, nothing scares her but this seems to have her on edge.

Well...I so hate mirrors and pictures too!

I do know that we can have abuser alters. But also protectors that can turn into persecutors..l think that because they just lose patience and end up *****ing a lot.

As far as delusions and hallucinations...they have a pill for that. DID...not as of yet.

[MtnTime2896]

Originally Posted by AlwaysChanging2

Well...I so hate mirrors and pictures too!

I do know that we can have abuser alters. But also protectors that can turn into persecutors..l think that because they just lose patience and end up *****ing a lot.

As far as delusions and hallucinations...they have a pill for that. DID...not as of yet.

Yeah, my AP only did so much for me. Took away hallucinations I didn't mind. They want to try a different one, now.

The woman likes to punish me a lot. There's another one that has shown up a few times. A man, and he doesn't like how she treats me. He calms me down and helps me through her punishments. He's also internal, actually entirely. I could've sworn I've seen the woman physically before (granted there's no auditory, only visual), but the man I've only heard and have an image of in my head. Oddly enough, it feels comfortable to call him James. That could mean something else, regardless it has a lot of significance to me.

[dlantern]

I'd use "summons" if it is for some vamp alter but make sure you separate the television show to how it got to you very quickly to be understood. That involves understanding what created it it's role and function for your system. I think that is why it is usually takes a while for dx's for some of us probably some normal alter not necessarily traumatic like some of the littles are. To be understood you have to use some of the lingo if not.

Invoke, summons, call for the alter, ask inside all terms commonly used. If you watched the television shows then you might want to ask inside are there extreme feelings or obsessesion as to why if no co consciousness? I think if you know how your system is structured the alter type that would be a great idea even if no co consciousness.

[MtnTime2896]

Yeah, sorry about "summoned" being used. I was still in writing mode when I was talking about this.

[finding_my_way]

if you have DID/alters, each system differs with what can happen and can even change.

in mine, i used to be able to talk to several of them inside. then things changed, so big walls went up to where that doesn't/cannot happen now. i sometimes can hear some talk, but it's rare now. i cannot 'make' any of them talk to me or acknowledge me or answer my questions or anything. when they feel safe or the time is right, they let me know on their own. i cannot push or it can cause more harm and distress not just to myself but also the others.

so, each system differs. each alter even can differ with whether they know the host or other alters or not know any just like they can differ in the ability to communicate in certain ways (if they can at all), verbally inside, written communication, etc.

it's individual to each system how things work and change. your questions about specific things cannot be answered because we don't exist in your system to know the answers.

[MtnTime2896]

findinh_my_way,

That makes sense.