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Old Jun 26, 2018, 01:20 AM
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This has been on my mind for a bit and I decided to put it out here and see you opinions.

Do you think that a child comes into this world with the DNA to be hypersensitive, and because of what the child experienced reacts the way that it does?

In the way that it does, I mean to react with dissociation or creating a part that can deal with what’s happening.

Or.

Do you think that a child comes into this world with no predisposition/DNA that would make it react in a way that would result in dissociation or DID?

I feel like this is a chicken or egg question, but I was just curious.

I feel like I have tendencies to be hypersensitive but I don’t know if they were caused or if I came into the world and reacted to what happened to me in ways that caused it, because I was hypersensitive.

I have worked with children for the past 20 years and know that some children are more emotional and sensitive to things that scare them or overstimulate them. I don’t have knowledge of what their family environment is, it’s just an observance.

Just curious.

Any thoughts?
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Old Jun 26, 2018, 03:00 AM
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Yes. Trauma and stress from previous generations affect epigenetics of our forefathers which predispose us to become more sensitive and therefore increases the risk for mood disorders, personality disorders, psychosis etc when we're faced with trauma.

Like physical health issues. Nature AND nurture.

Not that sensitivity is bad. It isn't. Sensitive children who have what they need to thrive tend to flourish.

A blog post I found: https://www.healthyplace.com/blogs/d...itivity-factor

Biological and environmental factors in temperament: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1188235/

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Old Jun 26, 2018, 03:49 AM
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I thought we were born with a certain temperament?
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Old Jun 26, 2018, 06:38 AM
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Some are more prone to disassociate then others. You can take two kids, put them through the exact same situation/trauma....and the reaction won’t be the same....this is even so with identical twins that are born of the same egg.

I found this:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...t-health-study

Quote:
It is a baffling observation: individuals with identical genes and often very similar conditions of ubringing but who experience very different life outcomes. What could be the cause? The answer, says Spector, came to him in a Damascene moment four years ago. The causes of these differences were due to changes in the human epigenome, he realised.

"Essentially, epigenetics is the mechanism by which environmental changes alter the behaviour of our genes," he says. "This involves a process known as methylation, which occurs when a chemical known as methyl, which floats around the inside of our cells, attaches itself to our DNA. When it does so, it can inhibit or turn down the activity of a gene and block it from making a particular version of a protein in our bodies." Crucially, all sorts of life events can affect DNA methylation levels in our bodies: diet, illnesses, ageing, chemicals in the environment, smoking, drugs and medicines.
So maybe because we are shaped from the get go from things beyond our control. How about the mother’s body chemistry....like the things that she ingests good and bad like food and drink, medicine, vitamins, smoking, or illicit drugs; things she absorbs through the skin from her environment; maybe even emotions releasing certain hormones; could be anything dousing the embryos in varying amounts.
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Old Jun 26, 2018, 08:26 AM
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This has been on my mind for a bit and I decided to put it out here and see you opinions.

Do you think that a child comes into this world with the DNA to be hypersensitive, and because of what the child experienced reacts the way that it does?

In the way that it does, I mean to react with dissociation or creating a part that can deal with what’s happening.

Or.

Do you think that a child comes into this world with no predisposition/DNA that would make it react in a way that would result in dissociation or DID?

I feel like this is a chicken or egg question, but I was just curious.

I feel like I have tendencies to be hypersensitive but I don’t know if they were caused or if I came into the world and reacted to what happened to me in ways that caused it, because I was hypersensitive.

I have worked with children for the past 20 years and know that some children are more emotional and sensitive to things that scare them or overstimulate them. I don’t have knowledge of what their family environment is, it’s just an observance.

Just curious.

Any thoughts?
yes for some maybe

that said I have had 3 children and my wife has had one child. for all 4 of the children we used the same process and the same donor. one of the children is on the shyer side while the other two are very outgoing. the one that is on the shyer side is not the one that is more sensitive/ hyper sensitive. nor is the sensitive child the one my wife carried. the one that is more sensitive is one of the twins. the boy., the girl twin is rougher not a care in the world but does go through mental problems if her meds are not on track...

I have watched as each of these 4 children have come into the world. for each their reactions both physically and mentally scored different and how they presented was different... one boy cried, one boy stared, one boy yawned and promptly snuggled in for sleep and the girl smiled. they all came into this world already with their own way of being.

my point for some yea it could be genetics for my children they had their own unique ways. I dont believe their personalities came from genetics because if it was genetics for them they would have come into this world with the same identical personality and same identical problems.

we know my daughters problems are not from genetics. there is no double genders in any family tree. the problem happened during the normal cell division stage due to not genetics but rather the process used in a lab. if there hadnt been a problem in the lab then she and her brother would have been identical twins but each still would have had their own way of being. (their own personalities.)
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Old Jun 27, 2018, 12:40 AM
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I agree with Alwayschanging about epigenetics. Science is learning much more about how genetics work and it seems that pretty much everything about a person comes down to how the environment impacts upon what genes they are born with.
With identical twins they have the exact same genes (you can't have boy/girl identical twins!) but how the genes express themselves is dependent upon the interactions with the physical and emotional environment. Identical twins will have the same susceptibility to a genetic disorder as each other but maybe only one twin will have that gene "switched on" by the physical or emotional interactions with the environment. That is why so many studies are done on identical twins, we have so much to learn about gene expression from them! Science is finding that there is a gene responsible for pretty much everything about our physical and psychological makeup. Emotional "hyper" sensitivity would be one for sure although I don't know if the gene responsible (or genes more likely) has been identified yet. I know there have been studies done on emotional response to music... they have found an emotional area of the brain that "lights up" in response to music in some people.... if they took the study further they would no doubt find the gene responsible for that emotional sensitivity to music by comparing that group of people to others who are not so emotionally responsive to music.
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Old Jun 27, 2018, 12:51 AM
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I thought we were born with a certain temperament?
We are to a degree. Our response level (temperament?) is a function of our nervous system which is created from the information encoded in our genes.
Epigenetics tells us that those genes can be turned up or down off or on by the interactions with the environment.
So its like genetics gives us the possible range of x trait and the environment determines where we will fall within that range.
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Old Jun 27, 2018, 04:47 AM
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They breed dogs based on temperament and traits. That is how we got some breeds. You pick the dogs with the most mild temperaments and mate them. The next generations is calm and patient. If you pick the most vicious dogs and breed them you will get vicious dogs. I believe it is the same thing for humans.
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Old Jun 27, 2018, 09:11 AM
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just an addition to my post before my post confuses anyone. I am a lesbian, my wife is a lesbian. we use a donor for our children, the same donor, and we use UVF. to put it bluntly the donor does his thing in a cup, the female side of things is taken through a surgery process, then in a lab they are joined together. the cells that formed my daughter and son came from the same egg. when one egg forms the same child, the resulting children are called identical twins. why because it was the same egg. not two different eggs. due to a lab accident my daughters side of the egg was damaged. this caused my daughters side of the one egg to develop problems that her identical twin did not. one of those problems was when she normally was supposed to grow a male appendage, the reproductive side of her development split into two, (male and female otherwise called hermaphroditism) instead of just one a male or female child. so now my daughter has bone marrow that is producing blood alternating from mate to female to male to female (otherwise known as mosaic blood production)... it is my wife and I have have chosen to hold her body at female rather than have it constantly conflicting causing her to have mental issues. Some day my child may decide for her/his self whether they want gender reassignment surgery that will enable him/ her to be just male or just female.

my point sometimes identical twins do not mean the child is going to look and be the same as its twin. it just means they came from the same egg, not two separate eggs being fertilized. According to all the doctors, scientists and specialists that my daughter has seen she is and always will be an identical twin with her brother, and if the lab accident hadnt happened I would have either two girls or two boys.
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Old Jul 02, 2018, 11:47 PM
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Thank you for your replies!

I'm still thinking about this.

To me it does still feel like a chicken or egg question.

I found this article about how trauma affects/damages our DNA and how it's passed down to our children, meaning mine, or to me, from my parents.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/p...an-be-tweaked/

I do believe there is healing, either before the fact or after.

I'm looking for an article that talks about the healing of DNA and how that happens.

It's probably way above my head, but I would love to know how the healing that happens in therapy affects the DNA in my physical body.

It's really quite intriguing to me.

Life is an amazing miracle isn't it!?
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Old Jul 03, 2018, 11:14 AM
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That takes me back to my case study days, several will come out of what their experiencing and just seem fine....I actually considered my parents upbringing on our journeys especially to get a decent understanding of innate.
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Old Jul 04, 2018, 08:42 PM
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A child, from newborn to three, is extremely fragile. Human newborns are totally helpless and dependent on Mom. That does not change seriously until after the age of five when the brain is more developed.

I am saying that hypersensitivity has nothing to do with it. All newborns and toddlers are hypersensitive! The human brain develops more during the first three years than at any other time.

My brother got traumatized during his first two years because Mom thought she could have her child and immediately dump it off on another woman to take care of during this first two years!!! It seriously emotionally traumatized him!

So when I was born, my Brother is a little psycho two year old. He becomes obsessed with making me cry. When I was born, Mom left me with a maid/nanny and went back to work. I was not totally alone I had my psycho two year old brother to be with me. He was a surrogate parent for me. The maid/nanny had too many house chores to do to truly interface with the children. So my first three years of life involved being tormented by my brother all day long.

This was where all my mental health problems originated. I was traumatized enough to develop PTSD and a dissociative disorder. I never was allowed, in my home, to overcome the trauma and was kept in a state of shock because the abuse continued my whole childhood.

My sister got seriously emotionally traumatized because she was sent to live with my Aunt at the age of two. She did not know them! Dad put Mom in a mental health hospital for two to three months. The adults seemed to know that it would traumatize my sister but there was no follow up loving and nurturing when my sister was brought home!! She never recovered! She never felt like she was loved and wanted after that. My brother tormented me every day so I did not show her that love and attention because I could not keep me mind on anything! Neither of my parents, who had upper level educations for their generation, had a clue! Neither of them gave my sister the love and support that she would have needed to get over the trauma. Her quality of life was destroyed because my parents did not have any common sense about the emotional and psychological welfare of their two year old daughter.

Bad parenting is more a cause of mental health issues than genetics!!!!
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