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Old Jan 12, 2019, 11:02 AM
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Do you guys ever refer to yourselves as we but are aware of it? Like have you ever woke up in the middle of the night and said in your head. We need to get some water? This happened to me last night and I have never had this happen. It was my voice though. A thought really. The reason I am asking tis is I was diagnoses DID nos but I have been diagnosed everything. Last night I woke up and the first thought that popped in my mind was we need to go get some water. I have alot of unusual self talk but never referred to myself that I can recall as we.

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Old Jan 12, 2019, 11:31 AM
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Do you guys ever refer to yourselves as we but are aware of it? Like have you ever woke up in the middle of the night and said in your head. We need to get some water? This happened to me last night and I have never had this happen. It was my voice though. A thought really.
no I and none of my alters referred to their self as "we" my system followed the abusers code of "do not tell". if we referred to ourselves as we it would have caused others to know they existed which of course would have brought on questions that would have lead to exposing the abuse....

example...
DID begins in childhood so everything associated with it starts in childhood so

if as a 4 yr old child I said "we need a drink of water",

A sibling or parent or teacher, friends or family....who ever was near by would ask "who are you talking about, you said we?"

if I said as a teen "We need a drink of water?" who ever was around while I was a teen would have asked who is we and why did you say that..

As an adult if I had said we need a drink of water my wife, my girlfriends from my adult pre marriage life would have asked who is we?

you see DID is a very special mental disorder where all the problems because of it begins in very early childhood and continues. so if this problem you had last night is related to you having DID you will know of other incidents in your childhood where this has happened before.

one thing I notice in your post, you said the voice was in your own voice. with me any time it was the alters speaking it was the alters voice I heard not my own. example when rainy was talking at night I spoke in rainy's tone of voice, with rainys vocabulary, sentence structure and with Rainy behaviors. When rainy was thirsty she got up, went to the bathroom got herself a cup, turned on the faucet, put water in the cup, then drank it, threw away the paper cup, then went back to bed. she did not say we need a drink she just knew she needed a drink and went and got it. Sometimes she would say a nursery rhyme or sing but because I wasnt an only child she knew not to make a lot of noise and talking at night that would get other siblings and parents woken up asking questions. the rhymes and songs she would whisper were in her voice not mine,
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Old Jan 12, 2019, 02:38 PM
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Some of us do and some of us don't. In every day life we say "I" 99% of the time and in therapy some will always say "I" and some will nearly always talk about "we".

But much like in family systems therapy everybody has parts of self, with or without a dissociative disorder. The difference is really all in the degree of I-ness or not-me-ness between the different parts, and for DID the defining feature is in the current day amnesia.
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Old Jan 12, 2019, 02:50 PM
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Some of us do and some of us don't. In every day life we say "I" 99% of the time and in therapy some will always say "I" and some will nearly always talk about "we".

But much like in family systems therapy everybody has parts of self, with or without a dissociative disorder. The difference is really all in the degree of I-ness or not-me-ness between the different parts, and for DID the defining feature is in the current day amnesia.
If I have the NOS form I wouldnt neccesarily have amnesia right?
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Old Jan 12, 2019, 06:30 PM
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That is correct, NOS (you will be informed of the invalidity of your statement shortly no doubt, although we all know what you mean) is different to DID in that it doesn't involve amnesia.
How did you come to be diagnosed with DDNOS back then? What was going on then? (if you want to share, and its okay if you don't)

For reference we also did not refer to ourselves as "we" in childhood, but now in healing we often do. Because we are a we. We are continually developing our awareness of each other, and developing compassion and understanding for all of the various alters, and we are learning to appreciate and love them. When I talk with my therapist or post on here whenever I talk about my alters I refer to them as them. Whenever I talk about myself and my alters as a system I talk about "we". We have a core group of alters who work in daily life and are developing our ability to work and cooperate with each other. How we talk about ourselves and each other now has nothing to do with how our system was formed, and everything to do with how our system is working together to heal.

However you choose to talk about yourself and whatever parts of yourself may be there is entirely up to you.
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Old Jan 12, 2019, 07:40 PM
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Now knowing of our multiplicity and as a collective...it is we if not an I. If I speak of an Other’s actions other than mine done in the body, it’s a we.
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Old Jan 12, 2019, 08:33 PM
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That is correct, NOS (you will be informed of the invalidity of your statement shortly no doubt, although we all know what you mean) is different to DID in that it doesn't involve amnesia.
How did you come to be diagnosed with DDNOS back then? What was going on then? (if you want to share, and its okay if you don't)

For reference we also did not refer to ourselves as "we" in childhood, but now in healing we often do. Because we are a we. We are continually developing our awareness of each other, and developing compassion and understanding for all of the various alters, and we are learning to appreciate and love them. When I talk with my therapist or post on here whenever I talk about my alters I refer to them as them. Whenever I talk about myself and my alters as a system I talk about "we". We have a core group of alters who work in daily life and are developing our ability to work and cooperate with each other. How we talk about ourselves and each other now has nothing to do with how our system was formed, and everything to do with how our system is working together to heal.

However you choose to talk about yourself and whatever parts of yourself may be there is entirely up to you.

I dont know how I got diagnosed. I dont even remember exactly what year I was diagnosed. I cant remember if it was before or after the birth of my daughter. I just remember her and the diagnosis. Since I dont remember I have asked my new therapist to speak to her to see if she says anything interesting that I dont remember that shed some light on anything. She said my records are destroyed so I know its been at least 13 years since I have seen her. My daughter is 15 so it actually had to be before she was born. Anyway, 15 to 20 years ago. I dont remember why she diagnosed me and she claims she remembers me which I doubt. It will be interesting to see what she tells my new T but without records how can I be sure its me shes talking about? I have read her reviews and they have said she is obsessed with DID and someone else felt like they were falsely diagnosed. Since I dont remember I cant say really. Do alters go away on their own?
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Old Jan 12, 2019, 08:51 PM
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no I and none of my alters referred to their self as "we" my system followed the abusers code of "do not tell". if we referred to ourselves as we it would have caused others to know they existed which of course would have brought on questions that would have lead to exposing the abuse....

example...
DID begins in childhood so everything associated with it starts in childhood so

if as a 4 yr old child I said "we need a drink of water",

A sibling or parent or teacher, friends or family....who ever was near by would ask "who are you talking about, you said we?"

if I said as a teen "We need a drink of water?" who ever was around while I was a teen would have asked who is we and why did you say that..

As an adult if I had said we need a drink of water my wife, my girlfriends from my adult pre marriage life would have asked who is we?

you see DID is a very special mental disorder where all the problems because of it begins in very early childhood and continues. so if this problem you had last night is related to you having DID you will know of other incidents in your childhood where this has happened before.

one thing I notice in your post, you said the voice was in your own voice. with me any time it was the alters speaking it was the alters voice I heard not my own. example when rainy was talking at night I spoke in rainy's tone of voice, with rainys vocabulary, sentence structure and with Rainy behaviors. When rainy was thirsty she got up, went to the bathroom got herself a cup, turned on the faucet, put water in the cup, then drank it, threw away the paper cup, then went back to bed. she did not say we need a drink she just knew she needed a drink and went and got it. Sometimes she would say a nursery rhyme or sing but because I wasnt an only child she knew not to make a lot of noise and talking at night that would get other siblings and parents woken up asking questions. the rhymes and songs she would whisper were in her voice not mine,
I have hardly any memory before age 8. I can remember my teachers and some friends but I remember nothing of my home life before the. Yeah when I was speaking to myself last night it was in my own voice but I have never said we to myself. I do however have what I would call unusual self talk. What other mental disorder could that be?
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The most likely explanation (especially since this is the first time it has happened you) is that it is no disorder at all. A disorder is something so severe that it interferes with your daily life functioning. The most rational explanation for saying "we" in relation to yourself when emerging from sleep is that the remants of a perhaps not even remembered dream are still around.

As a one off thing that has recently happened I don't think there's anything to worry about.
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Old Jan 12, 2019, 10:33 PM
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The most likely explanation (especially since this is the first time it has happened you) is that it is no disorder at all. A disorder is something so severe that it interferes with your daily life functioning. The most rational explanation for saying "we" in relation to yourself when emerging from sleep is that the remants of a perhaps not even remembered dream are still around.

As a one off thing that has recently happened I don't think there's anything to worry about.
Yes probably, i did some reading. So DDNOS isnt like DID at all then really?
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 09:54 AM
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Yes probably, i did some reading. So DDNOS isnt like DID at all then really?
thats right its not like DID.

just a bit of background to help you understand what it is...

the name was thrown out.
it was given a new name.
the new name for it is OSDD
OSDD stands for Other Specified Dissociative Disorder

what that means is treatment providers have a whole new list of dissociative disorders.

you cant find this list on the internet or in books or in the movies.
you find out which of the Other Specified Dissociative Disorders you have when you get diagnosed with them.

example mine one of my OSDD (your word DDNOS) is Macropsia. its wrote on my file like this

OSDD - Macropsia (this means in the category of OSDD my disorder is called Macropsia)

its wrote like this on my file because they have to "specify" what and why they are diagnosing a person with this.

there are many new dissociative disorders listed in the OSDD list that treatment providers have.

to find out which one you have you will need to go through testing and then your treatment provider will tell you which one you have.
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Old Jan 13, 2019, 06:34 PM
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When I look up OOSD online it just switches me to OOAD which is autism. I dont see anything that has to do with dissociative disorders.
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When I look up OOSD online it just switches me to OOAD which is autism. I dont see anything that has to do with dissociative disorders.
Probably because it's OSDD and not OOSD.

Try searching again and I'm sure you will find plenty of info.
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Old Jan 14, 2019, 07:08 AM
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I hope you'll find what you're looking for, Dnester! I'd suggest to talk to your doctor about this and see how it goes from there. Maybe that could help. If you still have any doubts and you want to, of course. Sending many hugs to you
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Old Jan 14, 2019, 10:22 AM
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Do you guys ever refer to yourselves as we but are aware of it? Like have you ever woke up in the middle of the night and said in your head. We need to get some water? This happened to me last night and I have never had this happen. It was my voice though. A thought really. The reason I am asking tis is I was diagnoses DID nos but I have been diagnosed everything. Last night I woke up and the first thought that popped in my mind was we need to go get some water. I have alot of unusual self talk but never referred to myself that I can recall as we.


yes I have

but in most cases, I like to talk about myself using my name.

like.. what ever the name needs water, or what ever the name likes such and such a thing
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Old Jan 14, 2019, 11:35 AM
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Outside Jacq has started referring to themselves as 'We' lately. It's funny but when we saw Venom (a lot less dark, and a lot more fun than imagined), all the Alters loved it that the main character referred to themself as 'We'. There was a real joy in seeing someone 'just like us' on the big screen in a positive way. I'm really pleased at this evolution at being more settled with the alters; it may come and go as I talk, but I personally love it.
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