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Old Mar 05, 2014, 04:17 PM
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With him, tuned into your bad days and tones of voice, with a condescending attitude implying you cannot separate your bad days from raising your son, it's a poor model of fatherhood, to your son, as he'll wonder truth and reality from his fathers impressions.

Co parenting, is a nice.concept, provided BOTH parties CAN and WILL treat the other with compassion and respect.

Otherwise, leads to confused young minds, if the disrespected parent shows respect to disrespectful one. They, in turn give their young minds credibility to disrespect, through bending over, conceding behaviors from the parent trying to make everything right in divorce, as they did in marriage.

I'm about to have a talk with my son, soon, for remarking on something that my ex criticized me about ruthlessly, relentlessly, mercilessly.

Certain things, that a father figure 'should do', such as teach their sons to not think so black and white, men like our exes, don't teach.

Eskie, makes some points in her post, worth reading over several times.

I've tried conceding before, it doesn't work, with men like this.

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Old Mar 05, 2014, 04:26 PM
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Hey, just a quick reply.

My wife and I decided to go ahead with our divorce yesterday, amicably. She's seeing someone else and I thought i'd be pretty broken up about it.

Guess what? I'm super excited. You know why? Every ending is a new beginning.

You are attached to him because you are used to him. You love the idea of him. A husband, a father. It's not worth putting yourself through all this misery for an idea, you are obviously at odds with him as a person, it can be confusing. At first I was pretty upset about my separation, but I realized the same: I was in love with the idea of her, a best friend that is always there and never leaving me to be alone, someone that I could always count on to be there. We will be friends, which we've always been great at, and i'm completely fine with that, but it's not for everyone and really depends on how your situation was with your spouse. It is time for you to be YOU, and it is hard finding that identity I think, but you will.

As far as your son is concerned I HIGHLY recommend his father being a part of his life, whether or not you can stand the guy or not. I've seen personally what happens when the father completely disappears time and time again and it is not pretty. Women can disagree with me on here if you want, I get it, i'm just letting you know from a male perspective that it's not worth putting your son through that. Make your conversations brief and businesslike, whatever you need to do, but for the sake of your son make visitation work.

Best of luck and be strong.
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Old Mar 06, 2014, 08:00 AM
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So you and he are "sharing" a vehicle. Is it registered in your name? Is the car insurance in your name? Whoever's name is on that title is the owner. If he gets in an accident, while he is driving your car, then your insurance rates go up. Something's wrong with that picture.

It sounds more and more like you didn't lose all that much, when you lost him. A man his age can't provide himself with a vehicle . . . can't even keep adequate groceries in his kitchen. This sounds like you divorced a husband, just to turn around and adopt him as a child. How much of a father can he be to your son? You're going to subsidize that relationship to keep it going? So that your son can have this important role model in his life, so that he can be more like his daddy? That's what you want?

If that car truly is yours - legally speaking - then it should be kept parked outside your door. Should there be an emergency for your son, or you, that car should be readily available. Are you lending it to your ex because he has no way of getting to work without it? That's a problem for him to resolve. Don't worry, he will. You won't get down to solving the problems that are legitimately yours, while you are solving problems for the ex. He'll figure out how to get around and how to eat, if you leave those problems on his plate where they belong. Type 2 diabetes is usually the outcome of a long span of poor self care. If he runs out of groceries and misses a meal or two, that could benefit his health. Type 2 diabetes comes from eating too much, not too little.

Whether or not your son will have a father is largely outside of your control. Let go of what is not in your control. Focus on what kind of a mom your son has. That is what is your responsibility. Having two parents who are both confused about who is responsible for what is detrimental to your son. It will make him insecure and give him no role model worth emulating. Sooner or later, your son will have to come to terms with having a father who is not responsible. If he knows he can depend on you, he will be able to deal with being disappointed in his father. Your relationship with your son is what you have control over. Sometimes, it is actually better for children to see less and less of a parent who is not fulfilling their role properly. So don't try to manage things so as to create a fictional father who does not exist. Your son needs to understand the reality and not keep hoping for the father you want to magically create for him. You mean well, but you'll get an outcome that you won't like. Lots of children grow up just fine missing one parent or the other. The main thing is that there be one left who has got the act together. (That includes a mom who, if she owns a car, has it at her disposal.)

These "deeply ingrained thoughts" have a better chance of getting changed, if you accept that you are divorced and cut down on a lot of inappropriate involvement with your ex. It is understandable that you are still having a lot to adjust to, since the divorce is very recent. However, there won't be a better time than right now for starting to separate your identity from that of your ex. It's not going to get easier by waiting. He has already moved on to other women, if I remember right. Let him find what help and support he needs from the new woman in his life. If there is no woman at the moment, then that is his problem. He didn't value his marriage to you, and it's now over. There are consequences to that, which he will have to cope with. He can't have his cake and eat it too. Your conversations with him should be business-like for the purpose of co-parenting. They should be brief. Actually, if the judge gave you full custody, I'm not sure what kind of co-parenting is going on. Your son is watching all of this, and he must be having a hard time making sense of it. Keep it simple.
Thanks so much Rose, son is number one. I've read this a few times. I have to stop thinking I'm helping his father, and that he could help me, I do hear and listen to what you are saying. We both need the vehicle.
If I use my brains, I can figure out a way not to have contact with him so much.
No, he shouldn't have all this. He shouldn't have what I can give him. You are right, whether my son has the father he really should have, is out of my control. Father needs to be responsible for his own actions, or he will never wise up, and he may never do that. I need to do what is right for me and my son. I do have full custody, he has unspecified visits, "reasonable", I think the papers say, and no overnights without my okaying where he lives, since he keeps his place filthy and inhabitable at times. I did lose, a loser. I'm not one, I'm just too caring or something. But caring for me, is what I need to keep in mind. I just thought of that, watching my son sleep now, that I need to care for me, and then he will be alright, because I love my sons, both of them (other is not far now from me but is over 18). I need to take care of me, which includes absorbing all this good advice.
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Old Mar 06, 2014, 02:49 PM
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You are struggling very hard to work your way through a maze of darkness. The more you reveal about this ex-husband, the more it sounds like you have reason to be jumping for joy that you are not attached to him anymore. If you can just take the initial pain of the radical change this has brought into your life, you will very likely get to a point down the road where you will look back and thank heaven for this divorce.

That judge gave you sole custody for a reason. Your ex's life sounds like it is imploding. Step back from the implosion so you don't get hit with the fallout. There will be fallout. He can not help himself, never mind helping you or his son.

I watched a friend of mine try to make sure that her ex stayed as a figure in their children's lives after the divorce. (The guy was a loser drug addict, who would take his little son to crack houses.) I thought she was making a big mistake. She had nice kids and I feared for them. Well, after watching this scenario for many years, the outcome is heartbreaking. Those kids are all fouled up. My friend went on to have more children by her second husband, a good guy. Those kids are doing great.

Trying to foster closeness between a child and a father who is a complete loser is apt to do nothing at all good for the child. This man will never help you or your son. Abide by the letter of the judge's orders. (Those orders may change in the future, if this guy keeps spiraling downhill.) When your son is about 15 or 16 years old, he will decide for himself what contact he wants with his father. (And a judge will support what he wants.) For the next few years, you are in between the son and the father. Your main obligation is to protect your child.

The day will come when that father will be coming around his son to see if he can borrow his son's car. Your son needs that aggravation like he needs a hole in the head.
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Old Mar 08, 2014, 12:42 AM
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Sometimes people become addicted to another person like a drug. You know it's no good for you, it's killing you, but you still crave it. Leaving him may feel like withdraw and that's a horrible feeling. It only gets better a day at a time. Maybe if you think of it like that it makes more sense why you can't let go. You can do it but it takes time. Thinking of him as a toxic, poisonous drug may make him less appealing.
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