Anyone Else Under the Impression that Change Can Be Good?

It's impossible for you to comprehend the difference between you and NPD or aspd I think. Not being mean, just that's how it is for lots. That's why it's so misunderstood and scary

They display at least 5 out of 9 of the following criteria:

Narcissistic Personality Disorder Symptoms | Psych Central

and I agree with you.... if they do show at least 5 of the criteria, then they are by definition, NPD.

But, now we get into the subjective nature of the diagnosis. Whose opinion really matters? can someone self-diagnosis?

And there is this..

I've read the DSM cover to cover. I know what a personality disorder is. I don't say someone has a personality disorder lightly.

I haven't read it cover to cover.. I don't want to. I'd never even heard of NPD until my T mentioned it.

I did some research into bipolar and schizophrenia and BPD... when trying to figure out my mother's issues.

and some on BPD, because my T also mentioned that I show traits..

I don't like self-diagnosing and I don't tell anyone that I think has NPD that I think they have it.

Bingo, there you go. Borderline Personality Disorder can show symptoms of NPD but the thinking and emotion behind it is different. He said you have narcissistic traits, you admit that. Borderline presents that in certain people, it's what makes personality disorders tricky.

So, how is it that you didn't believe your therapist as you do now when he said you had borderline PD? That doesn't add up. To me that statement "he also said i had borderline traits before" tells me that you do not trust what your therapist says as much as you imply here by saying "who will i listen to, my therapist or people online?". You don't always listen to your therapist and trust him and that's proof that you're also subjective about what disorder you have, because you disagreed with borderline when he suggested it yet he said the same about NPD traits and you wanted it. You can't say you don't want it, if you didn't want it you would have rejected the idea as you did borderline.

Sure... he mentioned both... and they're both on the same spectrum.

Refer to my above post, as i knew what you were going to say.

Hi OE,

You must have taken me literally. Ha ha, look back and see my post about having more posts, now this does. My reason to ask for it to be locked is so I wasn't beat. Oh well, it all stems from me anyway. I would also like to say to you OE I am both "labeled" by Pdoc (2) with ADHD and NPD. I am who I am, I know what I am and I don't need a list of guidelines as the range of my spectrum is far greater then "someone" is trying to prove here. Many of my "posts" are to make myself laugh. My sense of humor is very limited except for myself. I find things funny that most do not.

I love your sense of humor.

ah... good one..

See, i knew what you were going to do before you. Think about it for a second, what kind of psychopath would I be if I didn't understand what you wanted and were thinking better than you?

again, i knew you'd want proof

No, actually, I'm just wondering why you have such contempt for those with a (true, or perceived by you) BPD....

Care to talk about it?

very impressive... If I had a Scooby snack... I'd throw you one..

I don't have contempt for anyone I love people with BPD. They're always engaging, they always want the attention, and no matter how upset they get that you poke them in the gut they still come back for more. I don't feel contempt, it's a logical decision on my part if I don't want someone in my life. When you don't have emotions all you're left with is logic.

I doubt it.

Because to you it's impossible, again I've stated that in the past. You don't get it. I'm sitting here running circles around you, everyone who can see the world I do knows it, but you don't because you can't understand. You just need to trust what we're saying is true sometimes, because your emotions are clouding your judgment.

^I think this is what you meant to say.

That was great!!! Can't say much now can ya????? HA HA HA HA HA.
Anyway the DSM is a FU&%ING JOKE. If we based these stupid guidelines on actually determining who has what then 95% of the world would be "DIAGNOSED" with one of the PD's. It is like determining what your baking because you used butter, eggs and flour. It's in almost everything that is baked.
Instead of hearing someone diagnosed with NPD you choose to battle that it is incorrect. Do you notice yet that the ones here who "think" they have "a NPD" or "a ASPD" find you to be an absolute joke. You get what you need here from the nons, their the ones who say they understand you. They are week minded people, nowhere close to the mindset we have. Remember what I said many posts ago. Your brother may be the true "N" and you remain that sorry little scared boy still trying to find his place in the world. You feel good doing it in a chat style as you probably never stood up to anyone in person. You are what everyone is using as their own enjoyment here, one big laugh. Have you not noticed this yet???

Human beings "are" complex and human beings tend to have different brains too. That "is" the normal IMHO, it is "normal" to be unique somehow. It is actually very "NORMAL" to have a certain amount of the "all about me" taking place too. It is actually quite "evident" in viewing this site in it's entirety too. It is also very "reasonable" to say that every person has some "narcissistic traits" too.

That being said, if a person "is" unique in some way and struggles and others react to that by consistently finding fault in some way, that "can" have such a negative affect to where a person can degrade to a level where that person begins to not want to engage in life. I have experienced that state of mind myself and it is not being a "coward/weak/selfish/stupid" as many might respond "if" a person listens and believes and acts.

If an engine is built to run on deisel, then it will not run on gas or corn oil or grape juice.
But, it will function well if maintained and fueled with deisel and can be useful and last a long time too. There is absolutely "nothing" in nature that is "identical" really. However, different things can contain certain properties that become a rock, a tree, a flower, a blade of grass, a human being a body of water and countless things that exist. I am just different than you Underground or shakesphere so "winning" is "what", "according to what"? And I don't mean any disrespect with that question because from my standpoint I see interesting qualities in both of you. If I have an idea of what you are Underground, then, I can set that aside and observe you and be entertained in whatever way you express yourself. And in that allow "part of me" that will have some of that by the mere fact that we are both human, have the capacity to "identify". Envy? well, the facination of you is mostly in that you have decided that "you are very pleased with yourself". Well, what "human being" doesn't want that? And that is why you gain attention. Does that really set you above all? No, not really because others will have "abilities" and talents that you will not have. You were going to leave and said, "I dont feel I am getting what I want here, not sure what that is, only whatever that is, doesn't seem to be here". Well, it's the "dual and conquer" you like, it's just part of how your brain runs its the "fuel" you run off best, it is named even as "the narcissistic feed". Ahhhh, but everyone has some of that going on. Well, shakesphere has "some of that" going on, but isn't the "same as you", and that is evident. I think the reason why I had found some humor in that observation really is because of how I had been down that road myself, even right down to that bold print part. I had a conversation one time with an individual that was quite enlightening and that individual said that a Narcissist is not so hard to fool and take advantage of, which boils down to "feed it the right fuel" and thats all. In other words, adore him/her and feed him to where he feels "he is the winner" they will actually love you for it and come back for more even. Yet, you say, "if I can't use you and find you useful to me I just get rid of you".

Well, you just like a challenge and you like to "win" or at least "believe" you did in your mind. So? Well, that is just your makeup and in knowing what that means, I admit, you are very entertaining in your own way.

We are all a bit different in the pool of humanity same as walking in the woods and noticing the trees are all different too and then realizing how "everything" is unique.

OE

What does that have to do with anything? I said it frustrated me to try to play to your emotional side a bit and think you were getting to me and would come on a bit harder with your persuasion. Hook. Line. Sinker.

^Fixed that for you..

Good advice. I'll do that