[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by hazn

I have a question... how would you describe your "mask"?

By the way, do you mind getting asked all these questions?

My mask is very situation dependent and person dependent. Basically though, my mask is a mirror. I show the other person what they want to see, hence how it can change depending on who it is.

I don't mind questions, I'm anonymous here and I don't have any dead bodies stored in my closet or anything. Lol.

[hazn]

Originally Posted by Atypical_Disaster

My mask is very situation dependent and person dependent. Basically though, my mask is a mirror. I show the other person what they want to see, hence how it can change depending on who it is.

I don't mind questions, I'm anonymous here and I don't have any dead bodies stored in my closet or anything. Lol.

Hmmmmmmm... but, as a narcissist, you attract certain types of people -- right? So, there's bound to be some similarities between the masks you wear. Like, what kind of roles do you typically play? How do you react when someone pokes holes in your mask? If you felt someone was losing interest in you, and so you were losing control, how would you react? How would you try to regain control of that person, and how far would you be willing to go?

Also, when you can clearly see that someone is suffering because of your manipulations, how do you feel? I know you don't feel empathy, but haven't you ever felt like... aaaah this person really suffering, what I'm doing is wrong. I know, this all probably sounds stupid to you.

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by hazn

Hmmmmmmm... but, as a narcissist, you attract certain types of people -- right? So, there's bound to be some similarities between the masks you wear. Like, what kind of roles do you typically play? How do you react when someone pokes holes in your mask? If you felt someone was losing interest in you, and so you were losing control, how would you react? How would you try to regain control of that person, and how far would you be willing to go?

Also, when you can clearly see that someone is suffering because of your manipulations, how do you feel? I know you don't feel empathy, but haven't you ever felt like... aaaah this person really suffering, what I'm doing is wrong. I know, this all probably sounds stupid to you.

Typically I look for certain kinds of people, either my own kind for warrant of a better term or people who have high levels of empathy. With empathetic people they want to see emotions, empathy, caring, altruism, so I cultivate that image around such people and therefore that is obviously a mask I wear very often as most people have emotions and do feel empathy.

I loathe getting found out, it rarely happens but when it does I do get irritated.

If someone is losing interest in me I simply move on to someone else for the most part. It isn't hard. If I'm hellbent on someone for whatever reason though, I'll go very far... I get into a mode where I have a sort of tunnel vision and all I'm interested in is that person, I play to win.

When I see someone suffering from my behavior I range from total indifference to feeling satisfied depending on the situation. If you're asking if I ever feel remorseful/guilty then the answer is no. Never.

[hazn]

Hmm... I do wonder how honest you're being ...no offense! You're saying that if a major source of supply were to pull away from you, you would simply let them go? But, that would mean you've lost the game. I would expect a narcissist to go to great lengths to avoid "losing the game", or being rejected. Maybe it depends on how abundant/scarce supply is. Sounds like you've got plenty

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by hazn

Hmm... I do wonder how honest you're being ...no offense! You're saying that if a major source of supply were to pull away from you, you would simply let them go? But, that would mean you've lost the game. I would expect a narcissist to go to great lengths to avoid "losing the game", or being rejected. Maybe it depends on how abundant/scarce supply is. Sounds like you've got plenty

These questions are better suited for Underground, not me.

I'm not always playing a game, I do have this thing called a "life".

[hazn]

Originally Posted by Atypical_Disaster

These questions are better suited for Underground, not me.

I'm not always playing a game, I do have this thing called a "life".

Fair enough, thanks

[marmaduke]

Yup.
My ex pschopath partner said much the same.
He is what someone wants him to be.
He reads people very well.
He told me 'Anna you must learn to play people if you want to get anywhere'

A psychopath can easily let someone go when they are of no more use to them as there is no love/empathy attached.
My ex had no use for friends in the normal sense of the word.

He was right about many things. I learnt so much from him. I was so stupid before, such a doormat.

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[hazn]

You have to play people if you want to get anywhere? You adopted such a way of thinking from your psychopath ex?

[here today]

Originally Posted by Atypical_Disaster

. . .Unlike a narcissist I do not care if I am admired or hated, and I can be alone for weeks and not feel one pang of "loneliness"(whatever that is). I do not require attention nor do I particularly want it unless it's a part of my game for a very specific purpose... what I want is power and control over people and I have zero issues admitting that, again unlike a narcissist who will never admit that they're engaging in "bad" behavior.

I think this helps make a point -- psychopaths are different from narcissists who need "supply". Which is why all the "articles" that put all the "bad" things about different narcissists into one basket annoy and bother me so much.

I think I'm the opposite of Atypical in a way -- I'm geeky though I don't qualify for Asperger's syndrome. Asperger's people tend to lack what psychopaths have -- cognitive empathy -- and do have what psychopaths lack -- affective/emotional empathy.

Both psychopaths and geeks don't fit into normal social relationships, though we can sometimes fake it in. But then we're not really being "authentic."

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by here today

I think this helps make a point -- psychopaths are different from narcissists who need "supply". Which is why all the "articles" that put all the "bad" things about different narcissists into one basket annoy and bother me so much.

I think I'm the opposite of Atypical in a way -- I'm geeky though I don't qualify for Asperger's syndrome. Asperger's people tend to lack what psychopaths have -- cognitive empathy -- and do have what psychopaths lack -- affective/emotional empathy.

Both psychopaths and geeks don't fit into normal social relationships, though we can sometimes fake it in. But then we're not really being "authentic."

What I've always found hypocritical is how everyone says psychopaths lie literally all the time... but take one look at society and "normal" people, do us psychopaths really have a choice in the matter? We have to blend in, otherwise we'd have to deal with a bunch of annoying **** than none of us have time for.

I have a lot of cognitive empathy... but it's just that, so therefore it's all cold.

[here today]

Originally Posted by hazn

You have to play people if you want to get anywhere? You adopted such a way of thinking from your psychopath ex?

Yeah, I probably do, too. More than I do normally anyway.

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by marmaduke

Yup.
My ex psychopath partner said much the same.
He is what someone wants him to be.
He reads people very well.
He told me 'Anna you must learn to play people if you want to get anywhere'

A psychopath can easily let someone go when they are of no more use to them as there is no love/empathy attached.
My ex had no use for friends in the normal sense of the word.

He was right about many things. I learnt so much from him. I was so stupid before, such a doormat.

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That's exactly how I am. When someone is no longer useful to me I just drop them and don't look back.

[hazn]

Question... why are you so against the labelling of yourself as "evil"? Everyone, including yourself I imagine, would agree that your actions are indeed "evil" ...or is that an incorrect assumption? You seem to know right from wrong, and you also seem to know your actions are harmful towards others. Yet you don't care (and I'm not even talking about the kind of care that comes from empathy). What would a person have to do to be given the label of evil in your eyes?

[marmaduke]

Originally Posted by hazn

You have to play people if you want to get anywhere? You adopted such a way of thinking from your psychopath ex?

Not exactly, I am a truth teller l thought honesty was the best way, the only way. I was not fake.
Now I can be fake. Its about asking myself:
'What is the best way to get what I want from this person Flattery? Sympathy? Agreeing when l don't agree?

I like to think I can morph into what l need to be, mix with all sorts. Put the mask on.
Not as good as my ex of course he had extraordinary abilities of perception. He watched people, listened (while pretending not too) looked for vulnerabilities.
Like a tiger he would study his prey, acutely aware of every sound every nuance, smell, body language. How would this person be of use?

I was so naive before always looking for the good in people always believing l was at fault.
Now l look for red flags. I understand some people do not really have good in them.
I. Am. Not. At. Fault. Any more.

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[hazn]

Originally Posted by marmaduke

Now I can be fake. Its about asking myself:
'What is the best way to get what I want from this person Flattery? Sympathy? Agreeing when l don't agree?

That sounds a lot like manipulation, at least in the context you've mentioned.

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by hazn

Question... why are you so against the labelling of yourself as "evil"? Everyone, including yourself I imagine, would agree that your actions are indeed "evil" ...or is that an incorrect assumption? You seem to know right from wrong, and you also seem to know your actions are harmful towards others. Yet you don't care (and I'm not even talking about the kind of care that comes from empathy). What would a person have to do to be given the label of evil in your eyes?

Plenty of people do evil things that aren't psychopathic and/or narcissistic. It's a matter of principle to me. If you want to call me evil then go ahead and do it, but I would have to ask, what skeletons hide in your closet? Everyone has those whether they admit it or not.

[marmaduke]

Yeah manipulation. I never used to do that.
But I don't like people much. I've spent a life time being bullied. The b##tards cannot be trusted.
I prefer animals.

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[hazn]

Originally Posted by Atypical_Disaster

Plenty of people do evil things that aren't psychopathic and/or narcissistic. It's a matter of principle to me. If you want to call me evil then go ahead and do it, but I would have to ask, what skeletons hide in your closet? Everyone has those whether they admit it or not.

I'm not giving you my opinion on whether or not I think you're evil, I'm asking for yours. I'm more interested in understanding how you rationalise your actions... because you've made it clear that you wouldn't consider yourself to be evil... and you've drawn a line there. So, you don't like the label of evil being attributed to you; my question is, why? Whether you consider yourself to be evil or not, your actions certainly are.

Everyone has skeletons in their closest... yes, I imagine that's true. But, most people will not intentionally cause harm to others in the same way a narcissist would to his/her victim. I think there's a big difference here.

[hazn]

Originally Posted by marmaduke

Yeah manipulation. I never used to do that.
But I don't like people much. I've spent a life time being bullied. The b##tards cannot be trusted.
I prefer animals.

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Interesting. Out of curiosity, what do you score on the narcissism quiz?

[marmaduke]

Low. I'm not a narcissist l have loads of empathy. For animals.

I am bitter though very bitter.
If I did a narcissist test now, I might come out as one because I'm just so--------------- ****ing bitter.

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[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by hazn

I'm not giving you my opinion on whether or not I think you're evil, I'm asking for yours. I'm more interested in understanding how you rationalise your actions... because you've made it clear that you wouldn't consider yourself to be evil... and you've drawn a line there. So, you don't like the label of evil being attributed to you; my question is, why? Whether you consider yourself to be evil or not, your actions certainly are.

Everyone has skeletons in their closest... yes, I imagine that's true. But, most people will not intentionally cause harm to others in the same way a narcissist would to his/her victim. I think there's a big difference here.

Do you know if all of my actions are evil? Considering you only see posts about my "differences" here, you cannot make a blanket statement about all of my actions.

Good and evil are entirely relative and entirely subjective. One person's good is another person's evil and vice versa. I just don't think people are black and white, good or evil, people are too complicated for such narrow minded thinking.

I've done plenty of things that are pretty much universally seen as "good".

Also, traditional Narcissists don't harm people intentionally. They don't realize they're doing it.

Malignant Narcissists, Sociopaths, and Psychopaths are the ones who tend to deliberately cause people harm.

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by marmaduke

Low. I'm not a narcissist l have loads of empathy. For animals.

I am bitter though very bitter.
If I did a narcissist test now, I might come out as one because I'm just so--------------- ****ing bitter.

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If you were a Narcissist I think everyone here would know it by now. Narcissists are many things, but subtle is not one of those things... Ha ha ha.

[hazn]

Originally Posted by Atypical_Disaster

If you were a Narcissist I think everyone here would know it by now. Narcissists are many things, but subtle is not one of those things... Ha ha ha.

What do you mean when you say Narcissists aren't subtle? Doesn't your mask depend on subtlety? If narcissists weren't subtle, they wouldn't cause such destruction

[Atypical_Disaster]

Originally Posted by hazn

What do you mean when you say Narcissists aren't subtle? Doesn't your mask depend on subtlety? If narcissists weren't subtle, they wouldn't cause such destruction

Apparently you haven't read all of my posts in this thread alone.

I just happen to be good at spotting people who are highly narcissistic. I know the signs.

[hazn]

Originally Posted by Atypical_Disaster

Good and evil are entirely relative and entirely subjective. One person's good is another person's evil and vice versa. I just don't think people are black and white, good or evil, people are too complicated for such narrow minded thinking.

I've done plenty of things that are pretty much universally seen as "good".

Well, destroying someone's life/self without remorse is pretty evil wouldn't you say? I'd hope we can agree on that.

Oh, no one is saying a narcissist is not capable of doing good actions. They most certainly are.