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Old Jan 25, 2007, 08:38 AM
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I have four cats... two old ones and two new ones... they are not even a year old... Recently a neighbouring cat have started attcking my kittens in my yard... and the old ones are too old to fight him off...

First incident, I found the older of the kittens and her behind was all bloody and there was this nasty gash under her tail... I figured he bit her... Took her to the vet and it was sorted...

The other cat returned... and I decided to take action. Whenever he came into the yard I would shoot him with a BB gun... those toy guns that burn the hell out of you at close range. I know this will not damage the cat... just hurt and scare him...

This morning I heard a scuffle outside... The cat was back and he attacked my youngest... she is still very small. He ripped her stomach open and r*ped her!!! One of the older cats stepped in to help and the little one ran for dear life and was not seen again...

Now I know two things... my other cat was probably r*ped too by this bully and my little cat is somewhere bleeding to death and I have to find her soon... But she is nowhere!!! After literally hours of searching I found her high up in a tree... this was after I climbed on top of the roof... (just had an operation 2 days ago) and then I had to climb the tree to get her....

Took her to the vet and he will fix her up. Now I sit with the moral dilemma... I have murder on my mind... I don't want to go to the people, becuase if I do something to their cat then, they will know it was me... but wouldn't any mother want to protect her children against such an intruder... no questions asked??? If someone wanted to attack your child, you will shoot him if you can... you won't worry that the attacker might be someone else's son... it's self defence... we must look out for our own....

Question, and I know how cruel this sounds, because I too am such an animal lover... really I am. My cats see the vet more that I see the doc and when we go away they go to stay in a hotel... a cat hotel.... They are my children and I would never want to take that away from someone else, but they can't really do anything to stop the cat, in the end....

So, do I shoot the damn cat or not??? I probably won't... but it would be justified, wouldn't it?
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Old Jan 25, 2007, 08:46 AM
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i would catch the other cat and take it to the vets for them to castrate, that will soon stop it, but i would not harm the cat in any other way
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Old Jan 25, 2007, 09:00 AM
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I have never intentionally hurt an animal either. I understand your feelings as I would be in the same place. But, you have to live with yourself and see yourself in the mirror. I would agree that have a heart trapping and bring the cat into the humane society as a stray might be best, You should not, unless you can easily afford, pay for the neutering. The Humane society will neuter him and find him a home. If his real parents come for him they can claim him. Don't leave your real name or address when you leave him off.

Sorry to hear about your kitties.
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Old Jan 25, 2007, 09:01 AM
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I have never intentionally hurt an animal either. I understand your feelings as I would be in the same place. But, you have to live with yourself and see yourself in the mirror. I would agree that have a heart trapping and bring the cat into the humane society as a stray might be best, You should not, unless you can easily afford, pay for the neutering. The Humane society will neuter him and find him a home. If his real parents come for him they can claim him. Don't leave your real name or address when you leave him off.

Sorry to hear about your kitties. By the way, your kitties can get fixed at three months,
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Old Jan 25, 2007, 09:40 AM
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we have to wait 6 months... anf it doesn't matter... it's not about mating, it's a territorial thing...

If I take the cat in, the people will just claim him again, and they live across the road from us...

getting it neutered would have to be up to the owner... but i thought of a solution.... i think...

I would never harm an animal either... but you can understand the motherely instinct? I'm going to tell the owner to get his cat neutered, and if I catch him in my yard again I will scare the crap out of it.... like spraying it with the hose, or making loud noises etc... I want to righten him enough that he won't come back... and if he gets hurt in the process it's his own fault... I won't do anything to harm him intentionally... but if he runs into a wall there's nothing I can do about that....

Do you think that might work??? Keep in mind that our animal shelters keep them there for a few days and then euthanize them anyway....
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Old Jan 25, 2007, 10:59 AM
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Are your cats altered pixie? If they aren't that may help the situation.

I agree though, the other cat needs to be castrated.

I think scaring him off would help, but certainly don't hurt him. I understand how you feel, but animals are animals. This is there instinct, dominate or be dominated. He probably did not penetrate unless one of your cats is in heat. I don't know about cats as much as dogs, but a dog will not penetrate unless the female is in heat.

They also make a spray that they sell in the pet stores that will keep a cat from spraying. If he has sprayed your yard you will want to hose off really good and then spray the deterent.
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Old Jan 25, 2007, 11:19 AM
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I agree that I wouldn't do anything that might hurt (even if not intended) the other cat as it's probably acting on instinct...water hose is a good idea. It doesn't make it easier. Honest to goodness, I have three inside cats and males from around the area will come and attack at the windows. Advice on animal cruelty

Have you considered making your cats inside cats and taking them out when you're with them? My ex-MIL does that.

I would talk with the cat's owners and explain if that keeps happening you may have to report it somewhere and that they may be liable for future vet bills incurred. You (and your pets) should be able to enjoy the privacy of your own yard. I know if that were a dog, the law's pretty clear. The same might apply with cats.

I'm so sorry this is happening. I would be talking with the other cat's owner(s). Also, ask your vet what your options are within the law. He/she will know alot, I'd say.

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Old Jan 25, 2007, 11:39 AM
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Is there anyway you can keep the kittens indoors till they grow? Not knowing your living situation, forgive me if that was just a stupid question. This is very sad, but instinct is in play here, so keeping them in a safer environment temporarily may be needed,till they mature enough to follow instinct.
Personally, we never let our cats out, due to one sad incident, it wandered and was ran over, it was horrible to walk and find it all smashed. We no longer have cats, but 2 large dogs, we are on 2 acres, and I have a large area fenced in that I can open kitchen door to let them out and potty, then come back indoors.
My old dog no longer attempts to climb, but the 2yr old (who is larger) cannot be trusted, they all learn the "houdini tricks" so she is not left unattended.
As parents to little kids, we also need to apply that parenting to our pets (children with fur) being responsible about their whereabouts and protection from the "bullies".
It is sticky situation, I'm sure, but you may have to talk to the owners.
Not having cats for so long, I'm not up on many things, but isn't there some products/deterrents you can use on your property to scare the "outsiders" ? Maybe your vet or a local pet supply store can make some suggestions.
Your cats should not have to be victims,and unfortunately it it seems you are the one that will need to take care of this, sounds like the neighbors won't especially if they are unaware of this stuff. It's sad if they really do not care about the safety and health of their own cats.
My heartfelt feeling towards owners like that is if they are not going to be responsible why even take on a pet, or even have kids, for that matter.
Behooves me. I understand the BB gun thing, LOL!! I've been using this loud safety alarm keychain thingy, to scare off groundhogs,rabbits,cats,fox,etc. from wandering inside my fenced area. I had to call animal control once, a nasty groundhog took refuge under my backdoor (open) steps,he wouldn't scare out, just growled showing some fangs.
2 things would have happened if I didn't take action, 1) dogs would of mauled it and 2)dogs would have injuries too.
You may have to resort to calling animal control, sometimes over the phone they can offer useful info.
Take good care and stay safe,
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Old Jan 25, 2007, 11:48 AM
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Sounds like the owners wouldn't care to even go look for him? Even if you think they would, it's worth a try right? I think the idea of chasing him away is a good one but you don't have to tell them. Point the hose and let it roar, Also put lemon juice or vinager and water in a spray bottle and spray. You can put little noise traps all around your fence so when he gets near they pop and scare him. Little mouse traps would work as do tin plates, bags of marbles etc.

Or, take the straight road and speak with them. Show them the vet bills and the injured cats and explain that you saw it and could not get to help your kitties in your own yard at the time. You only have females? If so, him being neutered should do the trick. He won't need to show his stuff once he is fixed,
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Old Jan 25, 2007, 02:29 PM
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I have one neutered old male, the rest are female. My kittens were kept inside for safety reasons, and about two weeks ago I started to take them out to get used to outside... cat's can't really live inside all the time here... It would mean that every window and door in the house needs to be shut... impossible task... no central heating or cooling... that is what the windows are for...

I'm not always around to check on them... they are gonna venture outside alone sometimes... but the fact is, this was barely outside!!! it was infront of my door... we were separated by the gate and I had no time to get the key.. etc...

Sadly, we do not really have something called 'animal control' . We have the SPCA... which is supposed to protect animals, but all they do is euthanize stray animals... seriously... We don't have all those laws and stuff protecting animals....

But I haven't decided what to do yet. I know animals will be animals, and I think I am more mad at the owners than the cat... maybe I should... lol... neverrmind.

No one needs to worry about me harming a cat... I'm all bark and no bite... I was just so mad... still am that I take pleasure in fantasising about that cats demise.... But I think getting him neutered is very important...

and someone mentioned that they don't penetrate when the female is not in heat... I think it is because they can't... that is why it is called r*pe... yes, animals can do that to... They can't penetrate and in the process of trying they rip everything open... I saw that today...
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Old Jan 25, 2007, 04:46 PM
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such a cute little kitty. Advice on animal cruelty im so sorry your cats were hurt. Advice on animal cruelty i think others have given you very good advice. figure out a way to get this bully neutered asap. i was dreaming last night about the cat i used to have when i was young. such a vivid dream. im glad yours have such a good mum to look after them. Advice on animal cruelty
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i'm so sorry this happened to your kitties and you......
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She's BEAUTIFUL!! Hang that old tom by his you-know-whats!! Advice on animal cruelty

I truly believe that there are bad animals like there are bad people!
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Old Jan 25, 2007, 07:53 PM
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Maybe the owner should be right alongside the tom. LOL!!
It's ashame animals and children become victims of morons and poor upbringing. It's so frustrating when people are so irresponsible (sp?).

Pixie, Hope all works out for you and your cats soon.
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Animals don't have the ability to choose right and wrong like we do, and the other cat owners might not even know what is happening. That is such a rough situation. Advice on animal cruelty I am sorry to hear that your kittens have been hurt.

I don't know what to tell you about how to keep your cats safe, since they need to be outside. I'd like to build an outdoor enclosure (cat kennel) for my cats so that they can go outside. I'm not really sure what would be involved in doing that though. I am afraid to just let them out here because we live on a pretty big street, and I am afraid they wouldn't avoid the traffic.

Talking to the other cat owners would be the most direct approach, and probably the right thing to do, but that doesn't always work out well, especially when you are upset. Things can come out wrong, they could be defensive, etc. I'm not sure that I would be up to the task, not sure about you. I'd ask the vet for advice. Is there any chance that the vet might talk to the other cat owners either for you or with you?
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Old Jan 26, 2007, 07:58 AM
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Thank you all for your input... if I were you I would give the same advice to someone else... I'll just leave you with a question... If it was a person, and it was your child??? What then??? Don't answer the question, it's just something to think about.

We sometimes think that other people don't bond with their animals like we do... but I bond better with animals than humans...

I love my cats... I rescued all of them, and nurtured them back to health again... they are my children. I can't get past the fact that my poor little kitty had to go through such brutality at the hands of a male. She is ripped apart and broken and it breaks my heart... The fact that I want to kill the other cat is not because I don't love animals, but because I love them too much.

The other cat is still alive, to put your minds at rest... but he is dancing with death on our yard and it's unfortunately not just me who wants him gone... Maybe I am the cruel one after all, who knows, but I hate that cat.
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Old Jan 26, 2007, 08:03 AM
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At the risk of being hated by all... I must say that I will follow Tomi's advice... although I won't be hanging him....

For those who feel bad about this, think about it this way... our animal shelters are too ful and have no money, so the animals only stay there a few days before they are put to sleep. When this cat's owners realise they don't have a cat anymore, they will want a new one, and they will save a life that is maybe worth saving when they bring home one of those poor other cats that have to sit in the wind and rain and sun in a small cage all day, waiting in vain for new life....
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Old Jan 26, 2007, 11:57 AM
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I cannot blame you for being upset, it's devastating when this happens, and I do not "hate you" for what you are feeling, and having to deal with.
I'm sending you many good wishes for a solution, and peace.

(((((((( JustAPixie ))))))))))))))))
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