[psychmgmt]

For about 9 months now I have been what I think is paranoid. I am paranoid that people think that I am gay and also that everyone, even close friends, don't like me even though they have said the opposite. I started feeling this way after I experimented with 2-5-i, an acid like drug and shrooms. I took each one one time and had bad experiences with both of them. I experienced heightened perception levels of body language if anyone can relate and couldn't talk. I was stuck in my head the whole time. I feel like people can tell what I am thinking. I then think that everything they say is a negative subliminal message directed towards me. This is all people, not just friends. I piece together bits and pieces of what people say to fit the story that all people think I'm gay. (No problems with gay people, I just like girls and don't like people thinking that I'm gay.) I've searched body language cues, narcissistic disorders, ideas of reference, delusions of reference, schizotypal disorders, other personal stories, and met with a counselor two times. Can anyone define what's going on with me? I'm 21 years old if that helps at all. Any advice, insight would be greatly appreciated.

[Altered Moment]

That is a very dangerous drug. It has been in the news because two kids died from it recently and the guy who sold it over the internet is in prison now. Very likely it is from the drug. Not a lot is known about these designer drugs other than they can have some bizarre very dangerous effects.

It is also possible that the drug triggered a pre existing condition that hadn't yet presented. I personally don't think shrooms would do it. People have been taking those for 1000's of years.

I wouldn't be experimenting with any drugs. If you happen to have some kind of schizo disorder that the drug triggered than taking more can really cause problems.

I once had a bad trip on ecstasy after I was already doing meth. I can't explain the lasting effects but they were there for a couple of years. An evil presence. it didn't really effect my life but it was there at times and I know it was from the trip. Finally it went away.

25I-NBOMe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Very dangerous to mess with something so little understood and new.

Recreational use of 25I-NBOME carries significant risk of both pharmacological and behavioral toxicity.[7][15] 25I-NBOMe is a relatively new substance, and little is known about its pharmacological risks or its interaction with other substances. The LD50 has not yet been determined.[22] It is a highly potent serotonin agonist and, due to its psychedelic effects and ambiguous legal status, a designer drug with reports of recreational use beginning in 2010. Reports of deaths and significant injuries have been attributed to the use of 25I-NBOMe, prompting some governments to control its possession, production, and sale. The harm-reduction website Erowid states that 25I-NBOMe is extremely potent and should not be snorted as this method of administration “appears to have led to several deaths in the past year.”[17] Several non-fatal overdoses requiring prolonged hospitalization have also been reported.[6][7][15]

As of May 2013, 25I-NBOMe has reportedly led to five overdose deaths in the United States.[23] In June 2012, two teens in Grand Forks, North Dakota and East Grand Forks, Minnesota fatally overdosed on a substance that was allegedly 25I-NBOMe, resulting in lengthy sentences for two of the parties involved and a Federal indictment against the Texas based online vendor.[24] A 21-year-old man from Little Rock, Arkansas died in October 2012 after taking a liquid drop of the drug nasally at a music festival. He was reported to have consumed caffeinated alcoholic beverages for “several hours” beforehand. It is unclear what other drugs he may have consumed, as autopsies generally do not test for the presence of research chemicals.[25][26] In January 2013, an 18 year-old in Scottsdale, Arizona, died after consuming 25I-NBOMe sold as LSD; a toxicology screening found no other drugs in the person's system. The drug is the suspected cause of death in another Scottsdale, Arizona, incident in April 2013.[6]

25I-NBOMe has been implicated in multiple deaths in Australia.[6] In March 2012, a man in Australia died from injuries sustained by running into trees and power poles while intoxicated by 25I-NBOMe.[27] A Sydney teenager jumped to his death on June 5, 2013. He reportedly jumped off a balcony thinking he could fly.[28]

[Altered Moment]

And besides all that how do you even know it was 25I-NBOMe that you took? The ingredients or the chemical itself comes from China. Chinese labs are not known for caring too much if their ingredients are contaminated or not.

And how do you know that the guy in Texas who bought the ingredients from China knew what the hell he was doing when making it? No telling what you took.

[psychmgmt]

Yeah you're right. I got it from a girl in my dorm so exactly what it was is debatable. She also had 2-C-i so it could have been that. I just know it was some form of psychedelic. I see you have anxiety and some paranoid delusions. Have you found anything other than medications that can help tame these down?

[Altered Moment]

I have been clean and sober for twenty years so my mental issues are not related to drugs and alcohol.

My main issue is depression but when it gets bad it causes anxiety and when that gets real bad paranoia. I have to say that meds have been the most effective.

But besides meds I have also been meditating and practicing mindfulness for twenty years. This hasn't really helped my depression but it works great on anxiety.

Also Cognitive Behavior Therapy. Becoming aware of and challenging your thinking. Like if you get paranoid people think your gay.....look rationally at what evidence you have for this being true. Are they really thinking that? How do you know they are thinking that?

Therapy and having a support network of people you can talk to. You can talk to us here.

If you never had these symptoms and it only started after the 251 then chances are it is a lingering effect of that. Lets just assume it was pure. It could still cause these effects long term. I think it will go away because your brain will readjust and get back to normal. Medication temporarily may help that along. The problem would be finding a doctor that understands your situation.

In the mean time my best suggestion is meditation mindfulness and CBT and keep seeing the counselor but be honest with the counselor. It has to be a scary thing. I know it is. Like I said it happened to me with X and meth. You wouldn't believe how whacked my brain chemistry was after five years of meth use. It took over a year to recover. I was in a full blown manic episode with a ton of psychosis for over a year. On heavy meds. All due to meth. My brain did heal though. These things are nothing to F with.

[Altered Moment]

Now that 25I-NBOMe is known about on the street by the DEA and they know the molecular formula it is an illegal class one drug. So some bio chemist is going to change it slightly so its legal again. The exact chemical formula will not be illegal. He is not changing it to make it a cleaner better drug but only to make it legal. He has no idea what that change will mean to the people taking it. He isn't doing clinical trials.

So 2-(4-iodo-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)-N-[(2-methoxyphenyl)methyl]ethanamine

Becomes 2-(4-iodo-2,4-dimethoxyphenyl)-N-[(2-methoxyphenyl)methyl]ethanamine

Just move one group over one carbon. No one has any idea what effect this will have. By doing this they stay one step ahead of the DEA.

[Altered Moment]

And when I say lingering effects it is not because the drug is still in your brain it is because it probably whacked your dopamine receptors on neurons in a certain part of your brain. The fact that your buddy who took it with you isn't having these effects doesn't mean anything. We all react differently to any drug. If you read the psyche meds section of this forum long enough you would find out there is wide variation in how people respond to drugs. First of all in the liver and how it is metabolized and then in how it effects your receptors and brain chemistry.

zinco14532323 gave you very intelligent advice regarding the drug, so I have nothing to add on that front.

But I do want to tell you that I can definitely relate. I also feel that I'm paranoid because I constantly feel that people think I'm straight. (No problems with straight people, I just like men, and I don't like people thinking I'm straight.)

Take care.

[psychmgmt]

Originally Posted by kindness

zinco14532323 gave you very intelligent advice regarding the drug, so I have nothing to add on that front.

But I do want to tell you that I can definitely relate. I also feel that I'm paranoid because I constantly feel that people think I'm straight. (No problems with straight people, I just like men, and I don't like people thinking I'm straight.)

Take care.

In regards to your second comment, do you actually feel this way? The only reason I ask is because you formatted it the same way that I did. When I am anxious or paranoid (more so lately) I feel like people "mock" or do similar things to mess with me. I have a few different ways of receiving the message, but just wanted to clarify.

[psychmgmt]

zinco14532323 I really appreciate all of your advice. You've provided more help than all the internet searches I've done over the past months. Thank you

psychmgmt,

I wasn't mocking you: I was trying to make you think about what you said.

I'm 51 years old, a U.S. Navy combat veteran, and I'm gay. I served in Iraq. I put my life on the line. Some of my buddies (straight and gay) paid the ultimate sacrifice. I fought so you can have the freedom to say whatever the f*** you want.

I hope that this is the start of a friendship between me and you.

Take care (I mean that).

[psychmgmt]

kindness,

I had a feeling you had some sort of meaning in that, I just had to make sure to satisfy my mind. It did make me think in a different point of view. No hard feelings.